It will be pretty easy to tell if they have any interest. If we see a restructure happen then it's happening.

If Veach can re sign Clark, extend Jones and sign Nuke Billag will give Veach a BJ with no hands

Look, I want Hopkins too, but this is just silly.

And help reduce wear and tear on Kelce.

It's always funny to me how beaten down the average Chiefs fan is from years ago.....looks at twitter...most other teams fans "this mofo is goin to the Chiefs isn't he, ****"

Chiefs fan "The Chiefs won't sign him, there's no way he's old anyway"

Not saying to an extent where you hurt the relationship or anything, but it stings when the guy is taking less that he should to build a great team. I'm also assuming that Mahomes is pounding the table for him as well, which we all probably think is happening. If Pat says he's good with the current group, that's a different story.

If we sign him he's an amazing WR

If we don't sign him he's an old broke dick we didn't want anyway.

Win Win!!

Cupid, why the hell do you constantly downvote my posts without having anything to actually say?

JFC you're a weirdo.

You too huh?

Regardless of how much talent and athletic ability Toney has... this team does not have a clear #1 WR. Mahomes made it work with a 1/2 guy in Ju-Ju last season who despite having Mahomes as his QB only caught 3 TD and under 1k yards.

Gotta be realistic. We cannot ask Kelce, who turns 34 this year, to be the #1 receiver again. As of right now, this team's aspirations for another Super Bowl lie 100% in keeping Mahomes and Kelce healthy. If Kelce goes down for any reason what so ever... we are basically hinging our entire season on Rice being a day 1 god.

There is zero depth at WR. Not a single receiver on this roster has clocked a 1k season since their college years. In fact, only 3 receivers on this squad even got 1k yards in college.

Ross (1k yards exactly, 2018 - Clemson), Ross (1,150 yards, 2016 - Clemson), Rice (1,355 yards, 2022 - SMU)

D-Hop to KC on a 1 year deal pretty much HAS to happen unless Veach did his draft king thing and scored a day 1 WR1 in Rice.

I think he has a point. I mean, it's pretty much what GB did to Rodgers. Not the contract part, but every year GB refused to draft a WR in the first round. Every year they chose to give him a little bit less offensively. And it obviously got to a point where Rodgers didn't want to discuss the draft at all. And also obviously it created a rift between Aaron and the GB FO that was irreparable after awhile.



Mahomes took a very team-friendly deal because Veach/Clark told him that they would continue to keep the roster filled with weapons every year. It could make Pat question that promise, if year after year, the FO does not pull the trigger in cases like this, or in the draft of course.


Now, nothing like that would happen this season, but if it happened again next season, or basically became a kind of trend . . . I could see any QB begin to lose confidence in his FO after a few seasons like that, just saying.

Who is this mysterious Cupid? Will he unveil himself?

So it's not just me?

I have no problem with people downvoting me, but if you're going to constantly do it without having anything to actually say, I'm going to eventually call you out.

In a perfect world yeah this is the move to make.

With 30 other teams in the mix this is not happening unless he really wants to sacrifice money for a ring.

CupidStunt. He used to post more, but seems like he just lurks and downvotes now.

It wasn't just the draft picks, he would offer FA suggestions of guys he would like to play with and they basically told him they didn't give a shit about his opinion.

It's easier to accept that there are some real ****in' Gomer's on CP.

Right, that was exactly my point. Not like Pat is going to storm in if we don't sign him and demand a new deal, just that it would rub the wrong way a little, and you can't make it a trend. Signing Donovan Smith I thought was a good start, but this would really push this offseason over the top, and you're a legit juggernaut with a drastically better roster than the one you just won the Super Bowl with at every level.

Iirc, once the GB GM told him "you're just the QB."


I mean, i know how i'd react to that.

It's like people forgot that he's played 19 games in the last 2 seasons, including a suspension for PEDs.

The Chiefs are more than capable of winning a Super Bowl without him. Let some other desperate team overpay for him.

And people wonder why he didn't show up at OTA's and completely changed the way he acted toward the organization.

Yea it's like people forget he put up 64 catches and 700 yards in 9 games with backup QB's last year.

Cap dudes, so how much are the Cardinals gonna be paying him to not be on their team?

It's like 21 million.

They are intentionally eating it now because they are creating the room to dump Kyler Murray next year.

Yeah, and I'm not absolving Rodgers either. it's not like he made things easy for the FO up to that point either.

But saying that to your future first ballot HOF SB-winning QB, and the face of your team for over a dozen years to that point, in a public forum . . . that was the year I told my GB buddy that Aaron should just ask to be traded. I know I would've said some impolite things to my boss after that, just saying.

Seems like a significant part of the puzzle here.

If he's collecting that from the Cards, he may not care nearly as much about what he's taxing his next team. That money is coming in regardless.

Kelce and DHop are two of the best chain movers to ever play the game. Our 3rd down conversion % would be downright absurd.

Toney's celing is ridiculously high. I dont think ppl understand how good he can be.

MVS and Mahomes are sure to have better chemistry this year and hit on more of those downfield throws.

I think that offense could shatter records.

$21,077,776.

Like i said, i think this really helps the Chiefs' odds.

This fact may make money even less of an issue for Dhop regarding his new team.

Hell, ARI might be in full tank mode. Try to get Caleb in 2024? Weird though.

As the Chiefs roster is right now, I would completely agree but -

Adding DeAndre Hopkins would increase the rostered WRs on the team. Who and where do you cut?

Adding DeAndre Hopkins is going to reduce the playing time for other WRs including MVS.

Where can you get the most Cap space by a trade from the WRs? According to overthecap.com, the Chiefs could get a $9M cap saving by trading MVS post June 1. I really don't know if a team would trade for MVS though and pay the $9M for the season.

I like MVS and think he adds value to the Chiefs.

I would love to add DeAndre Hopkins to the Chiefs WR group.

I really don't think that the Chiefs will trade MVS, but if they should sign Hopkins and younger WRs develop, it might be possible.

I am trying to add a reason why Veach wouldn't. I don't know much about Hopkins. Is he a dick/cancer? That would be "A" reason.

Sure he puts up good numbers, but that 6 game suspension for performance enhancing drugs would be a red flag for me.

Also, the Cardinals willing to take a $22.6 million dead cap hit is also unnerving.

Adding Hopkins does nothing but help clear up the bottom of the WR group. MVS has a specific spot in this offense as the deep threat. Trading him away opens that spot up and now who is taking it? Hopkins isn't that guy. Neither is Rice or Moore. Toney possibly could but you don't want to ask him to do that.

Before Hopkins: Toney, MVS, Moore, Rice, James and Watson.

After Hopkins: Hopkins, Toney, MVS, Moore, Rice and James.

He'll be 31 at the start of the season. We have next to nothing in the piggy bank. Even if he came here on the cheap chasing a ring or trying for a long-term contract, how much would he be worth NEXT year and the following years? We also have 12 WRs on the roster today. Just for grins, let's see what those guys have to offer.

In short, thanks but no thanks.

Kelce is 34. According to your logic, we should've sent the greatest TE in history to the glue factory three years ago.

Well then damn, they should have taken a fourth or even a third next year from us for Hop if they were going to fully eat the contract. I understand them not wanting to and trying to hold out for a better way, but it would have given them more draft capital especially if they were planning on tanking the entire time anyway.

To add to this during his career Hopkins has made 111 million dollars without including any endorsements.

Sure...name all 12 without looking them up. You act like a 31 year old DHOP couldn't come in and help this offense. He most certainly can.

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Sign him to 2 real years and a void year for a third year and let’s max out the offense while we are still in the “Kelce prime window”

Why this ridiculous fascination with trading MVS? It's silly.

I was wondering the same.

It’s mainly just two dudes who have been saying it all offseason.

We don’t need him, but if he wants to come here on a low one year incentive laden deal to set himself up for next year, sure. Why not?

No one is likely paying big money at this point. Most teams have spent their salary cap dollars.

I get the feeling he wants to try and win (teams with ring potential; KC, Bills, etc.) this year but ultimately the goal is to go to an explosive offense where he can put up numbers and set himself up for a big final payday this next off-season.

You almost have to think it will be Buffalo or KC at this point.

It may come down to which team offers the ‘better’ incentive laden deal since neither team really has money to spend.

This, in a way, is why it makes sense. How much will he be worth the following years? One way for him to make that number higher and cash in on one last contract is to have an elite season here on a one year deal. How much would he be worth the following years? A lot more if he puts up great numbers with Pat and Andy.

Obviously his value is hurting right now for some reason. Perhaps there's a deeper issue that we don't know (This would explain why he only went for apparent pennies from the Texans to the Cards too) but if he wants to regain some of that value, how he would do it would be a 1 year deal.

He'd be the best WR of the 13 we'd have if he were here.

Agreed. Don't know that we could get a trashbag of used washcloths for him.

Because we'd prefer Hopkins, they fill similar roles, and MVS is getting too expensive for his worth.

Yeah. Not happening. He has a role in this offense. Personally, I think some people think it's like Madden where you can just interchange everyone and people don't have specific purposes and roles in scheming.

If it's possible, then the Chiefs will do it. They will find a way. There is no way they don't see that as a move worth making regardless of cost.

But...who the **** knows. I for one hope like hell it happens...

You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think he’s going to get paid and paid well.

One of the easiest options is bringing Chris Jones to the table and offering him a long-term extension that would lower his cap hit. They could create up to $16 million in salary cap space with that one move alone.

Another option would be for Chiefs’ salary-cap guru Brandt Tillis to create a contract with some void years on it to spread out Hopkins’ cap hit. This is a tactic often used by teams like the New Orleans Saints and Los Angeles Rams, but it runs the risk of hurting the team’s salary cap situation down the line.

Ultimately, Kansas City does still have the means to acquire Hopkins. The big question remaining is whether or not their level of interest in the player has changed since the 2023 NFL draft.

The only "role" MVS plays on this team is eating a shit ton of cap room and not catching balls.

Dude got paid $9m for 687 yards and 2 TDs in the regular season.

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No they don’t. What the **** are you talking about?

Hes basically their version of The Gunslingiest

Chris Jones extension is the ace up Veach's sleeve for sure. Mahomes has taken less than market as the leader of the offense. Would love to see Chris Jones expedite this extension to allow the DHop deal to get done.

I'm willing to look past all that for what he did against the Bengals in the championship game when he was the one guy that didn't get hurt at receiver in that game.

He's the vertical stretch guy. Kind of an integral piece to Andy's offensive scheme.



However, if we acquired DHop, that vertical stretch becomes less necessary. And not because Deandre would take over part of that role, because imo that would be a huge waste of his skillset/talent. But with a WR like Hopkins, you just don't need to create that much room underneath, so MVS' value would decrease slightly when Hopkins was on the field.

But overall, I'm on the side of trading MVS isn't a real option.

Hopkins - Back for a full season
Toney - Healthy all year
Moore - Takes a big step forward
Rice - Proves he's a dog out there
Tall-Ross - Returns to 1st round form
Fast-Ross - Andy squeezes the most out of him
James - Is a reliable pass catching option when called upon

^Optimal performance from this group could be pretty incredible!

Two things.

1. This just shows how much of a dumpster fire Arizona is. They are taking the cap hit AND getting no picks for him. That's what bad franchises do.

2. KC can't afford a bidding war for his services. If he is chasing the biggest paycheck, KC won't land him. If he wants to play for the best QB ever along with having a very real shot at winning a ring, KC is his best place. Other teams are good, like Buffalo, but under McDermott and Allen they have still never made an AFCCG, while KC has hosted five in a row and has been to three SBs in five years, while winning two and being the defending SB Champion.

That's a pretty critical modifier you slipped in there.

Unless you're Charles Goldman, you should probably give credit where credit is due for your post....complete plagiarism.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/details...201544218.html

He was worth every single dollar for what he did in the AFCCG.

I meant to put quotes up but I'm fairly confident no one thought I wrote that lol

I think he's given plenty of signals that he wants to play here with Pat.

Hoping we can make it happen!

I did. Man, what a letdown! Went from thinking you were some kind of NFL cap management genius to realizing you’re a guy who struggles to craft posts on a vbulletin message board.

We do need to get through the regular season before we can worry about the playoffs.

Chris Jones is lobbying for dhop and can't imagine he'd do that if he felt it would eat into his contract. Have to think that if dhop signs, Jones extends almost immediately after, and that this will be the main way we free up the space to do it.

MVS is the deep threat, even when he's not catching balls, his presence is crucial to the offense.

Heres a stat line for you:

6 Rec, 116 Yards, 1 TD

We don't win the AFC Championship game without MVS stepping up the way he did. And that was partially due to him having to shift roles after injuries in the game. He HAD to be the guy and start filling JuJu's and Mecole's roles when they went down. And he was targeted more because he had to take on those roles, and he did well when he was asked to do it.

During the regular season his role was much more purely as deep threat. 492 of those yards were gained when our field position was before midfield. They didn't rely on him much for short yardage, hence less TDs (only 29 yards gained when we were in the redzone).

If you want to argue that he can't break the big bomb for the touchdown, sure I won't disagree. He is a deep threat that unfortunately tends to go down and can't break free, but acting like he isn't doing what Andy's scheming has him designed to do is intellectually dishonest.

Yup. He’s drawing safeties downfield opening up the middle of the field for Kelce and others. That’s very important.

But we need to replace him probably after this year

I struggle to put thoughts together, let alone posts.

I don’t think you have a very keen context for what NFL WRs get paid.

Go look at the production of Allen Lazard (11mm), Russel Gage (8.5mm), and Adam Thielen (8.3mm), and tell me that MVS’s playing in a completely new system in year 1 with those stats is somehow a dramatic overpay.

He played the role we had hoped he would as a deep threat. In the postseason he played the role of WR1 when he was called upon. Not sure what you expected from a vet making 9mm/yr but his production is in line.

How can you tell who upvotes or downvotes you? :hmmm:

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I would be pissed if he chose the Bills. Don't overthink it D-Hop and make the logical choice. Guaranteed ring in the process.

I thumbde'd you down just so you have an example. Just in case.

:)

NO ONE is dropping a $20-$25 mil. per year contract on DHOP this late in the game. Teams, as a whole, already told you what they thought about paying him bigly prior to and up to the draft when NO team was willing to dump a Day 3 pick (4th rounder) to acquire him. Cards were never gonna keep him. They were desperate and looking to get a ‘gift’ for him, knowing they would be dumping him after the draft.

DHop is a good receiver (when healthy). He has an ego. He considers himself to be amongst the best WR’s in the NFL. He was at one time, not so sure anymore. Point being he’s not signing up for some shitty WR2 contract at this point when he knows he can simply go out sign a one year deal, ball out (assuming he stays healthy), and land one last big payday to finish out his career.

Now what offense could he sign with that would give him this type of potential? He’s already named his Top 5 QB’s he’d like to play with. Hurts: Philly not looking for a WR. Herbert: Williams, Allen and now Johnston who they drafted with their #1 pick? Not enough balls to go around in LA. Lamar: I suppose it could happen, but you never know what’s gonna happen with Baltimore’s offense. The more likely scenario is the final 2: Buffalo or KC. Both have elite QB’s, explosive offenses and have a need at WR. I think KC would like to have a veteran WR with some top end potential to add to the mix IF they can make the numbers work. And honestly, he would be a perfect fit in Buffalo as a #2 across from Diggs and them now adding Kincaid.

I honestly think Buffalo is where he will end up, but we’ll see.

He MAY get ‘paid well’, buts it’s definitely not gonna be this offseason.

I get it... he had a great playoff game. Here is a stat for you.

Dude was 7th on drops with only 1 less than Kelce. Kelce was targeted 152 times. MVS 81.

That is just the ones he "dropped" and not including the ones he gave up on.

He is vastly overpaid for his production.