LeBron must be tanking games to pad his playoff stat records.

Even though the Pacers have come back before, I don't see it this game. They've just been too flat that even Tristan Thompson is dominating.
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Love the comparisons, though one thing the Lebronies almost never bring up is that the East has been by far the weaker conference during LeBrons career while during Jordan's career the East was quite strong, stronger than the West.

The funny thing is that even if the Cavs lose this game (they almost certainly won't), I still win as the Raptors likely make the Finals instead and LeBron gets to go somewhere next year where they might actually have a chance to compete with the Warriors.

Don't care how you slice it. GOAT

Career Playoff points- 1st
Career Playoff assists- 3rd
Career Playoff steals- 1st
Career Playoff rebounds- 7th
Career Playoff blocks-19th
Career Playoff VORP- 1st
Career Playoff Win Shares- 1st
Career Playoff PER- 3rd (Jordan 1st)
Career Playoff BPM- 1st
Career defensive rating- 50th (Jordan 93rd)
Career offensive rating- 35th (Jordan 14th)

Career rings over superteam-
LeBron- 1
MJ- 0

Bron is manhandling.

This guy is so much better than anybody who ever played this game. What a privilege it is to watch him play at this level still.

Hmm not really. You basically just had the Knicks and Shaq's very short career in Orlando.

You really don't think the Celtics or Pistons were great teams the first half of Jordan's career?

He really isn't. Jordan and Chamberlin were arguably both better. Did you every see them play? Or do you just favor LeBron because he's of your generation?

I would assume we are talking about during Jordan's final appearance years.

Hello...Boston??? Detroit??? I'll ask you too - is your opinion based on your generation? This is unreal. It's like there was no basketball played before some of you started watching it.

The East doesn't have 1 marketable player in the playoffs besides Lebron. Ratings would go to shit for those games if the Cavs were out in round 1.

Maybe Simmons.one day gets to be a households name.. not seeing much else.

Miller-Smits-Mark Jackson Pacers were good as well.

I've seen all of them play (Wilt only through tape obviously). LeBron is better than both of those you cite and anyone else remotely in the conversation and the statistics support that.

Do you ever come up for air?
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ROFL

Yes I saw the Bad Boys. Loved Jordan and the Bulls. Jordan and LeBron are 1a and 1b to me. Both amazing basketball players who changed the sport. Difference in basketball today is the game has involved analytically into a sport where 3 point shooting is more important. Also the days of the 7 footers who plant their ass in the lane has turned into 7 footers who are freak gifted athletes who play the 3 position now.

Here come the Pacers. Comeback to take the lead.

The physicality is also much different. Showed my 10 year kid highlights of the Knicks/Bulls series back in the day. He was a bit stunned how the game was played back then.

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That part makes it difficult to make blanket statements when comparing players across eras.

During Jordan's 6 championship seasons, Pacers had 4 first round playoff loses, 1 season where they didn't qualify and 1 Eastern Conference Final where Jordan beat them. The Pacers did their damage the years when Jordan was playing baseball and after he retried.

Yeah but they might have been the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league those last couple years. In 98 the Pacers could have legitimately beat the Bulls, pushed them right to the edge. Probably the hardest Jordan was ever pushed during that run, which is saying something. They were a really good team that ran into the Bulls and then the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.

Kevin Love is bringing it home.

I agree and it has happened every major sport, not just the NBA.

45-9-7 on 16/25 shooting in a game 7. And it's shrugged off as normal, as if these kinds of performances should be expected of a 15 year player.

The most remarkable athlete of our times.

Where does he run off to next year? I keep hearing teams in the West but he has never wanted to the challenge of playing out there before. Not sure how it would be pulled off money wise but Boston or Philly seem like the most likely stops this time.

Houston or Philly, I expect. Maybe LA if he can recruit a group together to compete with GSW. He's not going to Boston as long as Kyrie is there.

Totally agree. Looked at betting odds and shocked Cleveland and LA were top 4 faves.

Philly gives him a clear path to the finals and Houston gives him 2 HOFers to battle the 2 from GS and their other good.players. Both are for sure Lebron moves from what we have seen over the years.

That's because those kind of performances were par for the course for Jordan. 41 was his average in the 93 Finals LMAO

If I’m reading it right, there’s been 8 games of that line in the playoffs and lebron has 3 of them

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the 45 points tonight, LeBron now averaging 35ppg in his 7 career game 7s. That passes Michael Jordan for most in NBA history.</p>&mdash; nick wright (@getnickwright) <a href="https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/990680060066697216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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You guys are done winning any statistical battle here. LeBron already has all of it. He's won the war.

You guys are really taking this seriously. LeBron's performance today was great.

But to be fair, Jordan played in like three game 7's in his career. I'm honestly surprised Jordan is considered to be ranked 1st because he didn't play in very many of them. Without looking up his exact numbers, the Pacers took it to him in that 98 game and he didn't shoot very well in it.

How many game 7s did Jordan play? Not one in the NBA Finals. And he won every series.

6-0.

Nick Wrong... LMAO

Does 1 person in KC miss that guy?

What a stupid stat

MJ only played in 3 game 7’s and averaged 34, so 1 ****ing point less.

Even mentioning game 7’s against the guy that won 6 titles without ever having to play one in the Finals (simply amazing) is reeruned. No matter how much KCC aka Nick Wright says it nothing changes. MJ is still the GOAT.

MJ played in 2 game 7's during his title runs.

He rarely let it ever get to that point.

This was actually interesting to look up. Jordan played in three game 7's, went 2-1. I would not have been able to tell you that off the top of my head.

90 in ECF vs Pistons (L) - 31/8/9
92 in Semis vs Knicks (W) - 42/6/4
98 in ECF vs Pacers (W) - 28/9/8

I also didn't realize how well they did in the first round. In his last 7 years with the Bulls they went 21-1 in the 1st round... their only loss was the year Jordan came back from baseball. They were undefeated in the first round during the 6 championship years.

Same conversation every year.
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It’s pretty pointless at this juncture

No one is changing their mind either way

Wow. Damn shame he.took those 2 years in his prime off and retired again while on top in 97.

They were playing shit teams in round 1 though

Are you saying the 5th-8th seeds in the East over the past decade have been better? LMAO

Nah, prolly not

Correct. The first 2 I looked up both had 8 seeds with 38-44 records.

I’d imagine in both situations the late seeds were pretty average

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Of course they are which is why your post was odd.

Which year was it Jordan got hurt? His 2nd or 3rd year he broke his foot but they made the playoffs with like 35 wins or something.

Maybe it was his 4th year? I don’t remember

It was his 2nd year I believe. They made the playoffs with an awful record and got to be chewed up by the Celtics... pretty sure that was 86 so that Boston team was one of the great teams of all time.

I believe that was the year Jordan had 63 and his legend took off, that's still the record for points in a playoff game.

I think that’s right

30 wins earned them an 8th seed with 11 teams in the conference. Crazy how mnay more teams and players there are today.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LeBron still has never lost in the first round. Jordan on the other hand... <a href="https://t.co/00yhJGyzjp">pic.twitter.com/00yhJGyzjp</a></p>&mdash; Bruh Report (@BruhReport) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruhReport/status/990687329869180928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Lebron is 13-0 in first round series.

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He just singlehandedly won an entire series by himself with a bunch of scrubs around him. It's not as impressive as him taking 2 games off the Warriors by himself in 2015, but it's close.

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The greatest clutch player in the history of the game. Nobody fares better when facing elimination.

Lebron never losing in the first round is almost as impressive as Jordan never losing in the NBA Finals.

How can you be clutch if you have a career losing record in the Finals?

i like Jordan, but that's pretty meaningless when he’s only gone to six. Bron has gone to 7 IN A ROW. When was the last time someone did that?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reminder: For the folks that simply scream about &quot;5 Finals losses!&quot;, it would&#39;ve been better for LeBron to lose today than do what he did.</p>&mdash; nick wright (@getnickwright) <a href="https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/990684810740891650?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I guess going to the Finals and losing 5 out of 8 is more of an accomplishment than going 6-0.

Nick needs to go back and watch Game 6 when Jordan beat Stockton and Malone by himself to win his sixth title.

It is when you compare the supporting cast...and opponents

The 2011 Mavericks might be the worst team to ever win an NBA title.

Lebron averaged 17 ppg that series.

They lost.

Except there have been 45 win teams that have won championships and that Mavericks team won 57 games while taking out the defending champion Lakers and a OKC team that had Durant, Westbrook, and Harden (and it's telling that this particular series 7 years ago is all that's left for you to hold onto). You lose again.

Really? Because Jordan took down a lot more 50+ win teams while Lebron has feasted in an embarrassingly weak conference for almost a decade.

If you don’t want Lebron’s final losses to be part of the discussion you better not try to use his appearances in the argument. Up until this year he’s had by far the best team in that shit conference every year.

Lebron averaged a dismal 17 ppg against the 3rd seed from the Western Conference. They had the worst reg season record out of any team to win an NBA title iirc.

That Mavs roster was dreadful.

For Christ's sake Jason Terry had a higher average than Lebron that series LMAO

you guys didnt actually think Lebron was going to lose to a Pacers team with 1 third tier star and a bunch of role players did you?

Hes about to go beat the Raptors by himself like hes been doing to Lowry and Derozan for the last 7 years

You remember incorrectly as I just stated. Not even close.

The vultures were circling and got their hopes up, it appears. They must know now that another Finals is imminent. LeBron is going to be doing this all of next week to that scrub Ibaka:

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What is it then?

They had one star and a bunch of role players and your boy averaged a dismal 17 ppg.

Outscored by Dirk, Wade and Jason ****ing Terry LMAO

By design.he stayed out of the West as well. He is smart or a pussy or both depending on how people want to see it.

I think LBJ is going to be tough to categorize compared to other super stars. No other player has ever jumped ship to and play for essentially 4 different teams while still in his prime to chase titles and supporting cast.

Cleveland
Miami
Cleveland
Houston/Philly

That is totally unprecedented. Shaq is in Miami wasnt near what he used to be and that had nothing to do with title chasing.

Durant did it similarly. I figure it’ll be the new norm with how close these guys are outside of the sport and what not.

There’s not the hated rivalries anymore, which imo sucks but whatever

He has left a team once. LBJ is about to leave a team for a3rd time IN HIS PRIME for stop number 4. That seems to provide a distinct advantage over guys who stayed with 1 team throughout their.primes and had teams built around them does it not? No cherry picking team mates or conferences.that provide the path or least resistance. Only a butt ****ing moron would not see that.

But yeah, it is a shitty trend and Durant may do the same again if he had to. He is a soulless douche also IMO..

To be fair, there was no guarantee LeBron was going to win a title when he went back to Cleveland. He did that for his hometown, and he accomplished it, which is a big deal.

But like I said earlier, it's a two sided deal because Cleveland is so eager to keep him they've probably bent over backward too much for him and let him influence the makeup of the team. Now everyone's complaining that he doesn't have a good team around him, well...

Well, when it’s all about championships, they do what they’ve gotta do to have the best chance.

Not sure why that makes them a soulless douche though.

That’s where I give lebron a nod over Jordan is that the dude has been in his prime for so long. Pretty crazy he’s still doing what he’s doing now

What? They.had Kyrie.and traded for Love. There was a guarantee he was at least playing for a title and that was really his.best option at the time.

Surely you dont think if there was no Kyrie and number pick to trade he still was going back do you? Of course not.