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From your link, which paraphrased the original interview conducted by The Hollywood Reporter: While Monaghan didn’t speak to these latest conspiracy theories, he does wish for the release of a director’s cut given the sheer volume of unused footage that Abrams shot. “Like a lot of Star Wars fans, I’m hoping there will be a director’s cut so we’ll get to see more and more of the stuff that was filmed,” Monaghan tells The Hollywood Reporter. “I wasn’t there all the time, but even in the short time that I was there, there was so much stuff filmed that didn’t make it to the theatrical version.... Oh, man, there was so much stuff!” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...-s-cut-1266205 Of COURSE there's a ton of footage that didn't make it into the movie. That's how movies generally work: You film everything, including alternate takes, then edit the film together in the Edit Bay. That does not mean that JJ (or anyone else) created a definitive 2 hour, 40 minute version that the studio summarily dismissed, then forced JJ (or anyone else) to edit to 2 hours, 22 minutes. It's just a bunch of internet "conspiracy theory" nonsense. |
To be honest, I understand all of the views here. Personally, I enjoyed the shit out of this movie vs. the previous 2. It's a movie. I was entertained and I LOVED it. To hell with the plot holes, I was entertained and I will go see it again. There are so very many plot holes it is not even funny but, I really enjoyed this one. Last best Star Wars movie was Rouge One hands down. Just my ,02
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I'm not surprised that someone that called it "Rouge One" thinks Episode IX was worth shit.
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Ranik Solusar, Jedi Master, was the father of Kam Solusar who became a Jedi Knight. Ta'ania was the illegitimate descendant of a Jedi Knight. Margolis Mingla was the daughter of a Jedi Knight. Ki-Adi-Mundi was given permission to marry and have kids (though an exception as his race was near extinction). There was the whole "Children of the Jedi" which has been blown up by Disney. Leia had Anakin, Jaina, and Jacin. (Had Ben Solo in the new universe) Luke and Mara had Ben Skywalker and possibly another kid. Jacen Solo (Jedi/Sith) and Tenel Ka Djo had Allana Solo. |
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And the main characters reproducing certainly doesn't mean anything as they aren't really "traditional" Jedi. Point stands. Palps clapping cheeks is dumb. No precedent for it. |
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I give examples of exactly that happening throughout the EU (yes... no longer cannon, I know). Now those examples of Jedi/Sith doing exactly that is minutia because we didn't see it happen on a movie or tv show but instead happened in comics and novels? Never is a strong word for it happening several times throughout Jedi history. --- Dude wanted stress relief and had his minions bring him a slave girl as needed. Did he take someone as a lover? Probably not. Did he use a slave girl as a **** toy? Yeah... I can see that as Sith use violence and passion (among other things) to fuel their power. |
Yeah, just not believable at all, sorry.
And you had to dig deep and found 0 Sith. Fail. |
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"Veradun discovered the Twi'lek slave girl Eleena Daru and took her as his own. Although she was technically his slave, the two fell in love with one another and fought side by side in many battles during the Great Galactic War against the Galactic Republic. Veradun later eschewed his birth name and adopted the Sith moniker of Darth Malgus." https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Malgus |
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That doesn't mean that future stories won't pull from the EU but unless they do, it's all null. |
It's honestly kind of bizarre to assume Sith don't have sex by default. I think it's safe to assume adult characters do normal things unless something is presented to the contrary. Like, they never showed Palpatine take a shit, but it's probably safe to assume he did.
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They have better things to do. This is the entire character of the most well known Sith ever, Vader. Padme made him WEAK. |
Finally saw it yesterday. Heard mixed things from a bunch of people, one of my closest friends absolutely hates it.
Gotta say, I was pretty disappointed. Not even just about plot-related stuff, the first 15 minutes were horribly paced. The editor kept cutting between 4 different situations with different people. It was just jumbled and confusing. And it continued as the film went on, you could hardly attach yourself to any one setting and get a feel for the people and the area before you're on the move again to the next scene. |
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And you still didn't bring up any Sith...
...sorry, EVERYTHING we know about the Sith flies in the face of this. Otherwise, why wasn't Palps breeding like a ****ing rabbit to create a goddamn dynasty of sith kiddos? ****ing stupid and unbelievable. They wrote themselves into a corner, though, and their way out was THIS SHEEV ****S!!! |
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"However, Malgus realized his worst fears and his experience with Aryn changed him for good. He realized that Daru was his weakness just like the Jedi. He could no longer afford this weakness. Therefore, he killed his only friend and freed himself from the shackles of emotions.[3]" Now... it doesn't explicitly state they ****ed but c'mon now. |
So the best example you can find is some dude ****ing BEFORE he was Sith...and then killing her BECAUSE THEY ***MAYBE*** ****ED...WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING
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"While still young, Veradun killed a Twi'lek servant on his father's estate, revealing the dark will behind his sensitivity to the Force. The young boy was subsequently sent to the Sith Academy on the Imperial capital of Dromund Kaas, where he became a Sith Warrior and a successful commander of the Imperial Military. During a trip to the Outer Rim world of Geonosis, Veradun discovered the Twi'lek slave girl Eleena Daru and took her as his own. Although she was technically his slave, the two fell in love with one another and fought side by side in many battles during the Great Galactic War against the Galactic Republic. Veradun later eschewed his birth name and adopted the Sith moniker of Darth Malgus." ". Although she remained his slave, the two became lovers[3] and he eventually came to treat her as a wife,[1] despite the Empire's anti-alien policies.[3]" The bold happened first, the red happened second. |
"Send the fleet to the far side of Endor...there it will stay until called for..."
"what of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing near Sullust?" "it is of no concern...soon the Rebellion will be crushed and young Skywalker will be one of us....Your work here is finished, my friend. Go to the command ship and await my orders." "Now someone bring me a slave girl, i need to nut!" LMAO |
So we're using stuff from The Old Republic to try and settle an argument?
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"Now someone bring me some toilet paper, my imperial toilet room just ran out & I got a major turtle head poking out" Some things aren't explained on screen, specifically in a family movie like Star Wars. I think in all of Star Wars cannon I can think of a handful of references to a bathroom in general. The fact that you would expect them to flesh out characters sex lives with the exception of necessary plot points like Anakin falling in love with Padame & obviously having sex, but even that was handled carefully. And the "he was too busy ruling the galaxy" logic doesn't work IMO. That would apply to literally every world leader throughout history. Yet I think if we checked the history books we would find that the vast majority (if not all) of them found time. I mean when you have no feeling toward the person you're using for sex & have that kind of power to be able to have women just brought to you how much time does it really take that it's distracting you from other things? But my biggest question is, who would have made more sense? Obi Wan? is it more in character for a Jedi, forbidden to have relationships, one that we've never seen as anything but pious & dedicated to the order? Or maybe a guy who believed in a code that promotes passion giving strength. Maybe he would use sex as a way to gain power, it certainly more believable than Obi Wan. The only other choice IMO was to have her related to no one. |
Oh also FWIW I took the family to watch while on vacation in Orlando. Actually caught it at the AMC in Disney Springs. It was a huge packed theater & literally there was a round of applause when the movie ended. (same thing at my opening night showing but admittedly it was a lower percentage of the audience cheering opening night) One of a handful of times I have seen an audience cheer at the end of a movie. My wife who generally isn't a Star Wars fan said she "loved it".
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The Sith are above the need for flesh, and so are the Jedi. "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." It's completely out of character. The Sith and the Jedi don't need love, ergo, they don't need sex. It makes them WEAKER. |
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Again, sith code: "Through passion I gain strength" |
I love SW threads because the discussions always go places that you could never anticipate.
Someone should photoshop Palps face over, uh, certain pictures of Jerry Jones |
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It doesn't fit with the character, and there's no precedent for it. |
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A sith makes the most sense IMO. But again he was cornered in by both his own writing in TFA & what Rian did in TLJ. The biggest issue with this trilogy is that the movies don't work well together. When viewed as a stand alone film they aren't that bad IMO. It's when you start to try to follow the story across the entire trilogy that it really starts to fall apart. Even worse when you try to connect in to the original trilogy. |
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Make her a ****ing nobody and don't make her OP. Make her a ****ing clone or something - at least I can buy that. Or just **** everything up and become Transformers and throw CGI at the audience and hope they don't notice. It's just badly written and not believable. **** the ST. **** JJ. They made stupid films and shit on established canon that actually made sense. Don't defend them. |
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And I'm not absolving JJ, he partly set this up in TFA. Then RJ took it a step further in the TLJ until we arrived at a point where crafting a story that made sense for the final chapter was difficult. Hell just as a movie watcher that played a part in my lack of exitement for episode 9 as I myself wondered "where do they go with this for a 9th movie" |
No, there were plenty of options.
it was just lazy and stupid and to be frank, she wasn't that OP until ROS they went off the ****ing deep end for no reason |
pretty sad when comic book writers are putting JJ to shame
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So I was going to say that this whole “do Sith have sex?” argument is one of the nerdiest arguments I have ever encountered. But I’ve always been a little unsure of when to use nerd and when to use geek, so I looked it up and came across this -
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...184iuaxjpg.jpg Now I’m only more confused. While Star Wars is color coded to geek it clearly rates at about an 8 for both geek AND nerd, placing right in the edge of both definitions. And that is just Star Wars in general, that’s not even taking into account this sub-sub topic of Sith sex drive. I don’t know if these imaginary characters engage in sexual activities with others or not in this make believe realm but, I’m fairly certain that those arguing about it do not. :p |
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She was set up as very powerful in episodes 7 & 8. It's funny you keep telling everyone not to let JJ off the hook, but you really want to look past all of RJ's contributions to how this thing ended. |
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We went to the $5.00 show last night to see 1917 but were too late because the service at Red Robins was slow and shitty. So we decided to see Space Balls...I mean Star Wars.
I saw the first one opening weekend as a kid. It was truly amazing. Although this latest one has incredible special effects and worlds they could never have created back then, it is hollow and the story is laughably bad. I don't think it was meant to be funny, but there were several moments I laughed out loud at how stupid it was. I was not sure if I was watching Battlestar Gallactica or some B budget Sci-Fi movie at times. I am sure the plot holes have been talked about on here several times, but you would think they could have put together a decent script after 9 tries at making the same movie. I would give it 3 out of 5 Death Stars. Entertaining, once you got over the terrible acting and corny super hero type action. |
During the Kylo Ren/Han Solo ghost scene, I kinda giggled at the thought of Kylo stabbing his ghost dad with his lightsaber again...
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She's shockingly average looking. |
she has very beautiful features, actually, great smile, great bod
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If you want to aim your ire at the person responsible for this entire movie, it's Bob Iger. |
so the visual dictionary reveals how rey fixed anakin's lightsaber
she just used her OP force healing abilities on it, of course LMAO ****ing hand waving bullshit, holy **** |
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Hammock follows a reylo Twitter account. That's ****ing hilarious.
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I'd **** Daisy Ridley like she was the cure. |
way better than rise of skywalker LMAO
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I thought it was an ok movie. I saw it a second time and what a jumbled mess.
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This is a much better version of the Treatment synopsis of the Reddit Leak, which has been confirmed as Original by Trevorrow.
Hindsight is 20/20 and all and I'm not sure if this would have made for a "better" film than JJ's but it definitely would have been much different, if not more cogent and coherent.
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That would've flowed better as an ending to this trilogy, I guess.
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Secondly, it was a Treatment, which is different than a Rough Draft of a Script, which is how it was (incorrectly) described on Reddit. A Treatment is more than an Outline but far less than a script. It's basically a collection of ideas about how the story *should* unfold, with Capitalized Words in places. It's kind of weird to read at first, especially someone that's new to the business, and whoever transcribed it from Reddit didn't know how to read and transcribe properly. From my understanding (this what I was told by Disney insiders) is that Trevorrow's script leaned heavily on Luke & Leia, as he felt they were extremely under-utilized in the first two sequels. He wrote the part about Han appearing to Kylo Ren, which is part of the reason why he and Connelly received Story By Credit. Basically, he wanted the OT heroes to be heroes once again. Also, Lucasfilm (ahem, KK), was pissed that Poe, Finn & Rey weren't as central to the story and that Kylo's end was "too dark". Apparently, they battled and battled and battled until KK just outright fired Trevorrow, without a plan in place. Hence, Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker. |
So Trevorrow actually understood what people wanted from the OT characters, then. Also, killed off your Big Bad in the 2nd movie. If you weren't prepared for the consequences that followed, like potentially making Kylo the actual real main antagonist, DONT ****ING DO THAT!!! God, KK needs to go.
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There should be riots lol
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Disney ruined everything.
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Palpatine being alive is insanely stupid. He blew up on the Death Star in the middle of outter space.
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They just replace those moments with Ben having visions of Vader on his own and having these insightful conversations with Luke, that could be awesome. TROS was always going to be cookie cutter fan-service, which is precisely why JJ was hired on. |
This is supposedly the Final Draft of Trevorrow's script. It's a bit different than the first draft (or Treatment). I don't know if this would have made for a better movie but it seems like it would have been more of a fitting end to the latest trilogy.
And, most importantly (IMO, anyway), it doesn't mess with Anakin's Story Arc in the slightest.
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That third act needs a Rogue One Tony Gilroy style re-write, but I'm more excited about the bones of it than I was about any of TROS' storybeats.
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Really, the bottom line is this: If KK was hell bent on creating a new trilogy with a new cast of characters, the sequels shouldn't have been sequels at all. They should have been new, standalone movies set in the distant future. That way, "proper" stories about Han, Luke & Leia could have been told by either recasting or creating an entirely new storyline for them. There's no way to do that now... |
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I think with the production quality they had that story would work well. |
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"**** it, let marvel do it" <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Taika Waititi has been approached to direct a 'Star Wars' film<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/THR?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@THR</a>) <a href="https://t.co/jarNnKgXo9">pic.twitter.com/jarNnKgXo9</a></p>— Star Wars Facts (@SWTweets) <a href="https://twitter.com/SWTweets/status/1217943946405371904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Wow.
That treatment is so much better. There's some rough edges that need smoothing - that Sollony character sucks - but lots of great stuff in there - probably just need to roll any bad guys who threaten rey besides kylo into the knights of ren, makes them more of a threat, too It's actually plausible that the First Order would lose because they're spread too thin - as an inverse of "the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers and rey raising the falcon at the end of the movie? lando having a character arc? starting the movie with a heist sequence of old imperial tech? finn rallying other former troopers? holy ****, so much better kathleen kennedy and bob iger are assclowns |
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She's a small girl with small boobs. She played a half naked corpse on a slab in something. Some TV show or some movie. If you search for her name and boobs or tits then you'll see them. |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/colintrevorrow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@colintrevorrow</a> <br>I along with every outspoken Star Wars fan need to know this, is the concept art that was released accurate? Or were those false? Like Kylo and Vader in the cave? Or R2 dying? e.t.c <br>I really need an answer lol. <a href="https://t.co/O2zWIWu3yI">pic.twitter.com/O2zWIWu3yI</a></p>— Jake 🙏 (@JeromeJT3) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeromeJT3/status/1220543934843310080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, this is from Duel of the Fates. But I’d never kill R2...he just took a bad hit. Happens to all of us. <a href="https://t.co/ekGMRUdV2g">https://t.co/ekGMRUdV2g</a></p>— Colin Trevorrow (@colintrevorrow) <a href="https://twitter.com/colintrevorrow/status/1220607283094224897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Went to it again last nite. This was a good movie, I really don’t get the hate. TLJ sucked. The prequels sucked. Obv. But both JJ movies were good.
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Dane’s takes on this have been spot on. I say he won the thread.
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