A huge difference between them is, Mahomes looks at the Ipad checking on what he did wrong after a mistake, getting coaching, talking to Andy so he can file it in his computer how the defense beat him.

Lamar sat alone pouting. He went out and just did the same sandlot antics over and over. That is all he knows. Either he can't be coached up at this point or thinks he doesn't need it.

Mahomes just has that swagger. The fact that hes done it repeatedly, and now most recently literally destroyed a 24 point deficit in 9 minutes of game time means that when this guy talks, the team listens, and responds.

When he scored the first TD, he went nuts like It was the score to take the lead. That fire is infectious. The Arrowhead crowd certainly responded.

He never lost his cool, never got pissed off, even when his teamates were BADLY letting him down.
Never pointed any fingers, just took on the challenge and he rallied the troops and blew the ****ing doors off the Texans with 41 unanswered points.


Lamar cant hold Mahomes' jock.

Of course the media was on his jock the whole year. He scored 43 ****ing touchdowns. The highest in the league. He was the biggest playmaker in the NFL this season. Why wouldn't they be on his jock?

The rest of the team elevates their play because of Mahomes.

It's the same effect Montana had on this team.

They know if they set him up with a fumble on one possession, he can go 90 on the next.

When you believe with your whole heart, mind, body and soul, you play harder and more focused. Period.

Well that's 1. And we can all agree he's an idiot right?

Neither can Deshaun. I guarantee Mahomes would not allow his team to lose by 20 points after being up 24-0. He would fight like hell and at least make sure it’s a shootout in the 4th quarter.

I'm not sure why teams fall in love with these guys who have beaten people with athleticism all their lives and don't truly know how to play the QB position.

The 'sandlot antics' aren't going to work at the NFL level. Do you think you can teach a guy to play QB all of a sudden? No. When has that ever happened? Do guys like this ultimately fail in the NFL? Ask Kaepernick, RG3, Vick, etc. (And there are plenty of other guys who didn't even enjoy the modicum of success that those guys did.) Bottle them up, make them beat you with their arm. You'll be fine.

You need a real passer in the NFL, unless you are just interested in selling jerseys and beating the bottom half of the league.

That's a solid point. The Patriots last year deserve all the credit in the world for dominating our offense in the first half last year. It's going to be so hard for the Titans to win without dominating our offensive line like the Pats did for a half.

:hmmm: You just said I was making up a narrative about Lamar getting hyped up- now you are agreeing he was getting tons of attention?

43 TD's is still far less than Mahomes and we won't even talk about passing yards between the two.

Well, to be fair, Mahomes wasn't exactly a polished pocket passer coming into the league.

But I do agree with the overall tenor of the argument for the most part. You can win with those guys and win in the playoffs as we've seen. But it's tough, you need breaks and at some point, you've gotta win from the pocket.

Lamar isn't Mahomes, but that's ok. He's still a young exciting player. People kind of forget, he's only 23. He's got time to develop.

I don't think guys can develop accuracy, I think it's an either or, but we will see how it goes for him. He won't ever be Drew Brees, but if he can get it up a tick or so, he'll be fine.

It's ok that he's not Mahomes. He seems like a good kid and wants to improve.

Yeah, my overall point is - you don't win a super bowl with a guy like that. If you look down the list of Super Bowl winning QBs, they are almost all passers who don't need to run to be productive, or who use mobility to extend plays so they can throw.

Funny enough, a lot of the supposed experts had the same opinion about Mahomes leading into the 2017 draft. Not surprising that 3 of the best QB coaches (Reid, Payton, Arians) all really wanted him despite the naysayers.

There's a huge difference between "a passer who needs to improve" and "an athlete playing QB"

Mahomes is a highly accurate, pure passer with a strong arm- who is elusive in the pocket and can beat you with his legs on occasion.

Lamar is greased lightning back there- he can beat you with a good pass a few times a game.

They are not even the same.