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JD10367 05-31-2020 07:43 AM

Tony G: 270 games, 1325 rec, 15127 yds, 11.4 ypc 111 TDs. Average per game with mostly crap QBs: 5 rec, 56 yds, 0.4 TDs.

Rob Gronkowski: 115 games, 521 rec, 7861 yds, 15.1 ypc, 79 TDs. Average per game with one of the GOAT QBs: 4.5 rec, 68 yds, 0.4 TDs.

George Kittle: 45 games, 216 rec, 2945 yds, 13.6 ypc, 12 TDs. Average per game with mostly crap QBs: 4.8 rec, 65.4 yds, 0.25 TDs.

Travis Kelce: 96 games, 507 rec, 6465 yds, 12.8 ypc, 37 TDs. Average per game with mostly crap QBs until recently: 5.28 rec, 67.3 yds, 0.385 TDs.

Average receptions per game, in order: Kelce, Tony G, Kittle, Gronk

Average yards per game, in order: Gronk, Kelce, Kittle, Tony G (but Gronk played with a GOAT and the others didn't)

Average yards per catch, in order: Gronk, Kittle, Kelce, Tony G

Average TDs per game, in order: Gronk/Tony G, Kelce, Kittle (last by a wide margin, which is worse because guys like Gronk and Kelce have to share the ball with other great pass-catchers)

Putting them in finishing order per category, where your total is "lowest is best":

Gronk's positioning: 4, 1, 1, 1T -- total of 7
Kelce's positioning: 1, 2, 3, 3 -- total of 9
Tony G's positioning: 2, 4, 4, 1T -- total of 11
Kittle's positioning: 3, 3, 2, 4 -- total of 12

But we have to knock Gronk down a bit for playing his whole career with Brady. Although he and Kittle do get some extra credit for blocking--Gronk more so, in my opinion.

So what does all this mean? Personally, to me it means that Kelce is better than people give him credit for. A lot better. I think in his career, if he can stay healthy, he's going to be right up there with Gronk and above Tony G as one of the GOATs. Kittle? He's good but, honestly, there are a lot of good young TEs in the league right now. Kittle didn't even finish #1 in any of those average categories, and only had one #2 spot (YPC).

Bob Dole 05-31-2020 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14996460)
THIS. Really happy with our TE. Kelce is really good and also a cool dude. But..... Kittle is too. He deserves to be on a better team and coach.

You realize the only better team right now is KC?

OrtonsPiercedTaint 05-31-2020 09:09 AM

I can take or leave his corn

IUsedToBeATightEnd 06-01-2020 07:54 AM

I'd rather choose Bell over Kittle. I was kinda disappointed he was traded to Dallas.
Kittle is way overrated. He's just an average TE who fits quite nicely in the 49ers offense IMHO, hence his figures.

ThaVirus 06-01-2020 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd (Post 14998338)
I'd rather choose Bell over Kittle. I was kinda disappointed he was traded to Dallas.
Kittle is way overrated. He's just an average TE who fits quite nicely in the 49ers offense IMHO, hence his figures.

Wow. This is the worst take I've read on this board in quite some time.

smithandrew051 06-01-2020 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 14998405)
Wow. This is the worst take I've read on this board in quite some time.

Has to be a troll post. Check the username.

smithandrew051 06-01-2020 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 14996558)
You realize the only better team right now is KC?

I’m assuming he means Kittle deserves a better QB

Graystoke 06-01-2020 09:04 AM

Kittle is dam good. Hard not to like the kid.

saphojunkie 06-01-2020 11:41 AM

May be blaspheme, but I was thinking the other day that Kittle has a right to be considered better than Kelce, as his blocking is far superior.

Kelce has a right to be considered better than Kittle, as he is a more dynamic receiver.

It's splitting hairs. They're both amazing. Kittle + Kelce and then there's the field.

SAGA45 06-01-2020 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 14996466)
Tony G: 270 games, 1325 rec, 15127 yds, 11.4 ypc 111 TDs. Average per game with mostly crap QBs: 5 rec, 56 yds, 0.4 TDs.

Rob Gronkowski: 115 games, 521 rec, 7861 yds, 15.1 ypc, 79 TDs. Average per game with one of the GOAT QBs: 4.5 rec, 68 yds, 0.4 TDs.

George Kittle: 45 games, 216 rec, 2945 yds, 13.6 ypc, 12 TDs. Average per game with mostly crap QBs: 4.8 rec, 65.4 yds, 0.25 TDs.

Travis Kelce: 96 games, 507 rec, 6465 yds, 12.8 ypc, 37 TDs. Average per game with mostly crap QBs until recently: 5.28 rec, 67.3 yds, 0.385 TDs.

Average receptions per game, in order: Kelce, Tony G, Kittle, Gronk

Average yards per game, in order: Gronk, Kelce, Kittle, Tony G (but Gronk played with a GOAT and the others didn't)

Average yards per catch, in order: Gronk, Kittle, Kelce, Tony G

Average TDs per game, in order: Gronk/Tony G, Kelce, Kittle (last by a wide margin, which is worse because guys like Gronk and Kelce have to share the ball with other great pass-catchers)

Putting them in finishing order per category, where your total is "lowest is best":

Gronk's positioning: 4, 1, 1, 1T -- total of 7
Kelce's positioning: 1, 2, 3, 3 -- total of 9
Tony G's positioning: 2, 4, 4, 1T -- total of 11
Kittle's positioning: 3, 3, 2, 4 -- total of 12

But we have to knock Gronk down a bit for playing his whole career with Brady. Although he and Kittle do get some extra credit for blocking--Gronk more so, in my opinion.

So what does all this mean? Personally, to me it means that Kelce is better than people give him credit for. A lot better. I think in his career, if he can stay healthy, he's going to be right up there with Gronk and above Tony G as one of the GOATs. Kittle? He's good but, honestly, there are a lot of good young TEs in the league right now. Kittle didn't even finish #1 in any of those average categories, and only had one #2 spot (YPC).

What about YAC?

ThaVirus 06-01-2020 12:09 PM

Kittle's a YAC monster as well. I believe he led the league in YAC in 2018.

One of my favorite plays from the 2019 season:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OrneryIdea...restricted.gif

Shaid 06-01-2020 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 14996466)
Tony G: 270 games, 1325 rec, 15127 yds, 11.4 ypc 111 TDs. Average per game with mostly crap QBs: 5 rec, 56 yds, 0.4 TDs.

Rob Gronkowski: 115 games, 521 rec, 7861 yds, 15.1 ypc, 79 TDs. Average per game with one of the GOAT QBs: 4.5 rec, 68 yds, 0.4 TDs.

George Kittle: 45 games, 216 rec, 2945 yds, 13.6 ypc, 12 TDs. Average per game with mostly crap QBs: 4.8 rec, 65.4 yds, 0.25 TDs.

Travis Kelce: 96 games, 507 rec, 6465 yds, 12.8 ypc, 37 TDs. Average per game with mostly crap QBs until recently: 5.28 rec, 67.3 yds, 0.385 TDs.

Average receptions per game, in order: Kelce, Tony G, Kittle, Gronk

Average yards per game, in order: Gronk, Kelce, Kittle, Tony G (but Gronk played with a GOAT and the others didn't)

Average yards per catch, in order: Gronk, Kittle, Kelce, Tony G

Average TDs per game, in order: Gronk/Tony G, Kelce, Kittle (last by a wide margin, which is worse because guys like Gronk and Kelce have to share the ball with other great pass-catchers)

Putting them in finishing order per category, where your total is "lowest is best":

Gronk's positioning: 4, 1, 1, 1T -- total of 7
Kelce's positioning: 1, 2, 3, 3 -- total of 9
Tony G's positioning: 2, 4, 4, 1T -- total of 11
Kittle's positioning: 3, 3, 2, 4 -- total of 12

But we have to knock Gronk down a bit for playing his whole career with Brady. Although he and Kittle do get some extra credit for blocking--Gronk more so, in my opinion.

So what does all this mean? Personally, to me it means that Kelce is better than people give him credit for. A lot better. I think in his career, if he can stay healthy, he's going to be right up there with Gronk and above Tony G as one of the GOATs. Kittle? He's good but, honestly, there are a lot of good young TEs in the league right now. Kittle didn't even finish #1 in any of those average categories, and only had one #2 spot (YPC).

Longevity matters. Tony has more than twice the games of Gronk and still averaged as high as he did. Undisputed best ever. Kelce has years left but started later. He most likely doesn't catch Tony because of that. Kittle is young and good but you've got to put in multiple years before you get into these conversations. Gronk had injuries really catch up to him and Kittle is much more baby Gronk than Kelce ever was. We'll see how it all plays out.

For right now, which is really what the OP is about, Kittle is damn good and probably a better blocker than Kelce. He's still not as good a receiver as Kelce. If they ran a pass heavy offense and he was getting doubled up constantly, the route running would be more apparent.

duncan_idaho 06-01-2020 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 14998942)
Kittle's a YAC monster as well. I believe he led the league in YAC in 2018.

One of my favorite plays from the 2019 season:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OrneryIdea...restricted.gif

I mean, not that I want him to get injured, but a play like that is just asking for someone to dive at his legs and blow up a knee, isn't it? A guy jumping onto him from behind like that, if he goes low instead of high, could easily hyperextend a knee and/or shred ligaments in it.

morphius 06-01-2020 12:46 PM

I'm just glad we got the one that showed up in the super bowl.

crispystl 06-01-2020 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd (Post 14998338)
I'd rather choose Bell over Kittle. I was kinda disappointed he was traded to Dallas.
Kittle is way overrated. He's just an average TE who fits quite nicely in the 49ers offense IMHO, hence his figures.


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