Maybe, maybe not. Jimmy Butler is a great player, probably top 10 in the league. That kind of player often can change things.

If you're apologizing to a Wolves fan, it's clear you don't know shit about the NBA besides the big ESPN storylines.

Yeah, well, unless there is ANY sign of him being on the block, eternity is a bit long to wait.

I don't need to be a Patriots fan to trust that BB usually knows what he's doing. Ainge doesn't have quite that level of credibility, but he's got more than enough for me to trust that he's no fool.

He isn't Top 10 in the NBA or in the West for that matter, Top 15 for sure and Kyrie isn't that far behind him

Waiting would be better than bailing out your main rival and trading your one of your most valuable assets away to do so.


Particularly after this deal.

LOOOOOL at all of this

#5 in the NBA in VORP, #6 in WS/48, #7 in RPM, #10 in BPM last year. I'm actually not sure what the argument for Butler not being a top 10 player in the league is, let alone the West.

Irving BTW was #30, #44, #53, and #49 in those. Most overrated player in the league.

If Jimmy Butler was a top 10 player, the Bulls wouldn't have been a 8th seed in the East.

When your entire team besides you is terrible, sure it does.

Simple and in no certain order

4 of the 5 GSW starters
Russ
George
Harden
CP3
Leonard
AD

You forgot the #1 player in the world on your list and #2 best player of all time.

Klay Thompson over Butler? Draymond over Butler?

Oooookay

I know. this is just for the West. I agree with you in regards to Butler barely getting the Bulls in the playoffs in the vaunted East

Butler is great as #2 with another true superstar but he isn't the type to lead a franchise IMO.

Yeah, time will determine that, not you.

And let's face it, one of the Celtics biggest problems was shot-creation. NOBODY outside of IT could create their own shot really. And shot creation is huge in the playoffs, especially, and IT really struggled with it himself in the playoffs.

And you can think Irving isn't that much better than IT overall, but there's no question that his shot creation is at least as good but likely better than IT, and that it's DEFINITELY been alot better in the playoffs. C's now have Irving and Hayward, and their new draft pick, Tatum, appears to have elite skills in that area (or projects to -- nobody really knows how any draft pick will work out).

So you can say the Cs aren't much/any better in the short term, but I don't agree, especially when it comes to playoff basketball.