How long is Gordon signed through?

I cannot, under any circumstance, see them trade Mondesi for Gordon.

To trade Mondesi, they'd need an epic return of young players, which I don't see happening, either.

Miami's throwing in the towel and making the team more attractive to prospective buyers.

And apparently the Nationals, Red Sox, Yankees, and Royals have scouted Pat Neshek according to Cafardo

Scouts from the Yankees, Orioles, Royals, Angels, Blue Jays and Cardinals were in Colorado watching White Sox left-hander Jose Quintana pitch on Saturday, according to Scott Merkin of MLB.com.

I figured he'd be gone, unless he signed a one year deal to return but if Gordon was on the roster, he'd definitely be a goner.

I absolutely would not put money on him doing it, but he traded the one of the 5 best prospects in baseball, and three other legit guys, for James Shields. If they were going to trade Mondesi, it definitely wouldn't be for a rental but Gordon wouldn't be a rental. A gold glove 2B who can hit .300 and steal 60 bases with team control at a reasonable price. I can't imagine you could just trade Starling and get that. But I'll be happy to be proven wrong. Mondesi's got a ton of potential but he's not Wil Myers.

Going to the table with Starling and Zimmer is like raising at a poker table with a pair of 4s

**** it. Do it. Give em Mondesi and a couple lotto tickets and see if we can get a pitcher and Gordon or something.

If it was basketball, we could trade Esky for Gordon. Miami is unloading contracts to make the books look better for their sale.

Maybe we can get Volquez back hmm

Odds Judge is busted for roids?

0%. Dude is built like Lebron James. He has always been the big.

Hope not. That'd be pretty bad for the game. Odds are it has much more to do with the ball... like the other 900 guys who are having career HR years all of a sudden.

Plus the dude is like 6'7" 280. It's not like he's some skinny guy who shouldn't be hitting homers.

He's not here to talk about the past

It's a 0%. Now the juiced ball is a different story

?

We traded the Cubs their only all star

Regular season play resumes Friday. The Royals start the 2nd half with ten straight home games (Rangers (3), Tigers(4), White Sox(3). The All Star Breaks give teams the ability to shuffle the pitching rotation. How will Ned's rotation look to start the 2nd half?
This is how I'd start the 2nd half;

Vargas
Kennedy
Duffy
Hammel
Wood

Vargas is definitely the hottest pitcher right now. I'd separate the lefties with Kennedy.

If Vargas pitches in the All Star game they probably won't start him the first game out of the break, but you're right about splitting up the lefties.

I think they still could if they really wanted to. I am sure the Royals have relayed to the AL coaching staff what they'd like to see out of Vargas pitch count-wise. I am sure Vargy has had a (probably light) bullpen session of some sort in the past 3-4 days. He last pitched on July 5 and assuming he pitches tonight, he's on five days of rest since his last start. Nothing is too out of the ordinary for him routine-wise and he probably only throws 15-25 pitches + bullpen tosses tonight, which likely wouldn't vary too far (give or take a day) from what his normal workout would be had he not been selected for the ASG. Tonight could essentially act as his second workout session under 9 days of rest. Granted, all pitchers are different.

What's the thought on this rumor that Royals are interested in Dee Gordon? I think he's under team control for another 4 years, but I'm not sure the numbers add up payroll wise.

He's actually fairly reasonable. Bad thing is we will probably have to give up maybe Zimmer, starling, or Mondesi

Zimmer and Starling are worthless.

Yeah if that's the price, I'd make that trade in a heartbeat

That sounds pretty cheap. I'm in.

What do you guys think of Pat Neshek. The Royals are interested

Marlins aren't trading Dee Gordon (who has a lot of value) for an underachieving Starling or an oft-injured Zimmer. That's a pipe dream.

Now, Mondesi is another story. But the Royals most likely wouldn't part with Mondesi for him. Don't think Mondesi is completely untouchable for KC, but almost as close to that as you can be . . . . .

I'd be all over Dee Gordon. Just comes down to what you'd have to give up.

Gordon at 2B, move Whit to a roving sub, but primarily RF. Send Soler back to Omaha, and make Boni the primary DH with Moss subbing.

Lineup:
Gordon -2B
Merrifield - RF
Cain - CF
Hosmer - 1B
Perez - C
Moustakas - 3B
Bonifacio - DH
Gordon - LF
Escobar -SS

That's a lot of speed at the top of the order.

I do that all the time.

This would be a good lineup

Terrible trade- the Royals would be in first place if we still had Wade.

He will be hitting .250 soon. Look at his milb numbers. It's not like he's 21 and came up. He's almost 26 years old. In 2015 he hit .224 in AAA, 260 or so plate appearances, 8 hr. Must be nice to come up to the show and get to jack out these juiced balls for fly ball hitters.

The juiced ball by MLB has destroyed the Royal's strategic advantage. It would be one thing if the MLB said, hey in 3 years we are going to change the ball to allow for more offense to increase the entertainment value of our product. You know, give teams a while to adjust. We were doing our own version of moneyball. Using our big park to our advantage, buying up cheaper fly ball pitchers, spending money on speed in the OF to reign in those fly balls. Now, most of that is all for not. Eat shit Manfred. Dude should be ashamed. Imagine if this dicked Boston or NYY in the ass, instead of benefiting them. ESPN would have a 30 for 30 already and a mass juicegate conspiracy discussion everyday.

I don't see how the Royals' strategic advantage has been lost. Take the home runs out of the Royals arsenal this year and they would be complete toast. The Royals have benefited as much as anyone from this change it appears so far.

I thought Starling was improving?

He is, but not to the point where GMDM could put him at the forefront of any deadline trade conversations.

He isn't "almost 26." He is 25 years old. Same age as Jorge Soler.

No.

True. Herrera has only blown 2 saves

Maybe. Having Herrera as the set up guy may have changed some things...definitely in April.

That's called an investment.
The front office didn't make that trade for 2017. They made it for 2018-2020.

EVERYONE has hit more home runs. It benefits other teams more than it does the Royals. The Royals were built in ball contact, fly ball pitching, large park factors, and speed. They realized the effect of the juice ball in 2016 and scrambled to find some power, which led to the acquiring of Brandon Moss & Jorge Soler which haven't really materialized yet.

Power is expensive. The Royals know this, so they got fly ball pitchers that achieved better results while paying them below market value. Fly ball pitchers were more valuable to the Royals, than almost anyone else. Same goes with elite OF defense with Cain, Dyson etc. The market even started to reflect this, and speed and defense started to be more coveted around 2015 and you saw many players get paid more with these tools. The Royals did not expect to all of a sudden move into an era of the most home runs ever hit (which is what we are on pace for in 2017).

The juiced ball has absolutely effected success of the Royals in 2016 and 2017.

Duncan any chance they resign Moose?


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ugh

Hes been good in June and July.

And how about Soria?

None

He's blown a hold but not a save

His dad is Tom "Flash" Gordon?

There is a Royals connection, so thats a good thing.

A terrible investment- we got a .159 hitter with 2 home runs along with his trip down to the minors already- The Cubs got an ALL STAR stud closer.

You can't say we would Not be in first place if Wade was still here to close out some of those games.

Soler power might not even be on the team in the future the way he has played. He has shown nothing up here so far. I hope he gets it together, but the Cubs have to be overjoyed at this point.

http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/bas...ainst-dodgers/

Royals' Joakim Soria: Blows save Saturday against Dodgers
by RotoWire Staff Jul 9, 2017 • 1 min read UPDATE Jul 9, 2017, 2:58am

Soria was tagged with his fifth blown save of the year after allowing an eighth-inning, game-tying solo homer to Cody Bellinger in Saturday's game against the Dodgers.
The reliever entered Los Angeles on a six-game scoreless streak, but that ended in a big way Saturday. Soria continues to be a rollercoaster ride in 2017, and despite managing 11 holds and four wins, he's likely not worth the headache in leagues that value setup men.

Do the math of all the blown saves so far and how far we are back in the standings. It was dumb to trade Wade.

... there's no such thing as a "blown" hold..

You'd think you'd have a more patient outlook after JACK SCHIIIIIITTTT.

That is Exactly what Soler power has done so far. When he becomes a huge factor in winning multiple playoff games and nailing down a World Series title like Wade did- then I might revise my opinion of the trade. Right now it looks like one of the worst in the team's history.

I swear I'm not quoting you to be mean, but the Royals FO proved us all wrong in 2014. Jorge Soler is the same age Moose was in 2013. Moose was even worse in 2014 and by then the brass of Chiefsplanet declared him a bust for life. The Royals have proven us wrong again and again here, and Soler deserves at least another year before we declare yet another bust for the franchise.

More like the players proved the front office wrong. They sat on their hands and did not bring in any help. The team got hot after that. Maybe a trade could have put us over the top? We will never know.

So at least they learned from their mistake and made a couple of Great moves that got us the Championship.

The division is up for grabs and instead of being in first with a dominate pen to close out games, we have a sub par hitter that has added nothing. Until Soler adds what Wade did to this team- it will stand as a Bad trade.

Doesn't matter. Davis would not be replacing the roles of both Herrera and Soria. Sometimes your closer is not available due to being used multiple days. That would not change if Davis were here.

I'm not going to say we wouldn't be in first if we had Wade and at the same time you cannot definitively say that we would. It's not as simple as plugging another player in and saying "See, we'd be better off".

You would think after the Moose and Gordon past demotions Royals fans would be a tad more patient. I've seen morons writing off Mondesi at 21.

The Soler-Davis trade was never about just making them better in 17. It was a longer play trying to balance now and the future.

Judging it based on the first 100 games is silly and short-sighted.


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Wade Davis is an un-restricted free agent after this year. We traded for a young player, he's 25 for ****'s sake, who is under contract 3 more years after this. If you are judging this trade now, you simply have no understand of the first two sentences in this post. The Royals would simply never resign a closer for what Davis will be asking for. They traded him near his highest point (his injuries in 2016 hurt his value), to get a young player with a high ceiling and lots of control. It's what small market teams HAVE to do.

If you're writing off Soler now, I'm not sure what exactly you're watching. He's very raw but the potential is there in his bat. The current mistake, IMO, is not giving him consistent starts. Hopefully our hitting coach can get him to focus on pitch location for improved contact potential. If that falls into place, his swing is already powerful enough to generate consistent power.

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Just watched a documentary about the 90s Indians on MLB Network. It was actually really good. It reminds you is how lucky we are to have experienced what the Royals have done the last few years. The Indians never won it all and those were some great teams. But it was interesting just watching the attitudes of those guys... Belle, Murray, etc. They had so many issues it made it hard to keep the team together.

Belle wouldn't do the doc, but he left the producer a voicemail message saying that the only comment he had was that John Hart screwed up their dynasty. It was pretty brutal. Jose Mesa and Vizquel still hate each other over things Vizquel said in his book. It's amazing. I forgot that Vizquel wrote that while he was still playing, and Mesa literally hit him every time he faced him afterwards. MLB threatened to ban Mesa for life if he didn't stop.

No matter what happens, we've had a 5 year run where the Royals were in the playoff chase every year, 2 World Series and a title with a group of guys who were all pretty likable and fun to root for.

BS

Yes, it is most likely he'll bust, but one doesn't give up hope.

You guys have short memories. I remember when Gordon was a bust, Hosmer was a bust. Moose was a bust. Duffy was a bust. Hochevar was a bust. On and on.

And Soler isn't even those guys. He's actually played, and played very well for the Cubs. Played 200 games over the last couple years for a championship team, hit 27 HR and about 100 RBI, and was an absolute monster in the playoffs.

Meanwhile, he's started a whole 24 games for the Royals, and we should throw in the towel. Get out of here with that noise.

Doesn't surprise me. The Royals have the best fans and most loyal fans

I want him to DH the rest of he way

Ken Rosenthal is now writing articles on his Facebook page because FOX dumped all their writers today and are a video-only website now. So there's that. Tonight he posted that the Marlins are basically hoping to start dumping guys. Their baseball people definitely want to rebuild, but their sale is holding things up. No surprise there.

He said there was an idea floating around of them sending Yelich and Stanton to the Phillies, just to dump Stanton's contract. The Phillies want Yelich badly, but probably not that badly. But it was more about how the Marlins want to sell. Maybe we wouldn't have to give up the farm for Dee Gordon.

I saw this earlier and I can't express in words how much I hate the move to video.

I don't need 20 something "beautiful people" telling me about the latest transactions or news of the day.

I HATE video and mute it as soon as it launches on any website.

Journalism is writing and investigating and researching.

Not asking "Can you talk about...?".

Rosenthal is one of the best. He should work for MLB Network

So much agree with this post. If you expect most players to be MLB ready in their first years of service, you should stick to watching the NFL.

Development for many lasts well into the mid to late 20's for many of these guys (those who aren't Super Stars) to start playing really well if they do in fact have the talent. It's what makes baseball fascinating. If teams gave up on players as fast as those calling them busts on Chiefsplanet, we'd have never seen a World Series winning Royals team with Gordon, Moose, Duffy and Hosmer.

ROFL

This x1000

It's probably been the best 5 year run of my baseball fandom life. My wife and I were talking about this last night. Even(probably)when Moose, Hos, Cain, etc move on, we will tip our figurative cap and have fond memories of what joy they brought and hopefully will bring the rest of this season

What do Hall of Famers Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Jr., and Mike Piazza have in common?

None of them ever pulled off what the Royals did in 2015.

It really puts it in ****ing perspective.

Would the Royals be willing to give up Bonifacia for Dee Gordon?

Gordon to 2nd
Whit to RF
Soler as DH.

If that's all it took, they'd be stupid not to.

:clap:

I've been wondering too if Boni will be the biggest trade chip. Even if he doesn't fetch Gordon, I could see them moving him, putting Soler in RF and then, when he comes back, Cuthbert at DH with Moss.

Also wonder how willing they are to part with Khalil Lee.

Was perusing stats as I am wont to do early in the morning and noticed this:

Since joining KC, Neftali Feliz has not allowed a HR in his seven appearances. That's the longest stretch without a HR allowed by him this season. He also has issued a walk in only one of his appearances (two BBs on July1), also the first time this year he's had such a stretch of games.

So, SO FAR , Eiland appears to have fixed Feliz.

I would be. Not sure about the team but suspect they would. Five years of control of Bonifacio is not a bad exchange for 3.5 years of Gordon at a little under $12 million/season.

No idea what the Marlins or looking for or what offers you're competing with, but suspect it will be more of a salary dump than you'd expect.


Lee is an exciting prospect but is so far away from the majors, it's hard to justify sitting on him. He's a borderline top 100 prospect type, and I love how he has adjusted in June and July (OPS over .900 after a .711 mark in June). But if he can be the key piece in a deal that nets you stuff that helps right now, with a modicum of control, hard to not pull the trigger.

I wonder if the Royals could find a way to swing Gordon and Dan Straily from the Marlins. Would require Bonifacio and someone like Lee, for sure. Not positive what else might be required, but that would give the Royals another quality SP to control through 2020 as well as an above-average 2B and lead off hitter.




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Marlins really don't need outfield though unless they fire sale some of their other pieces off.