Pretty sure I called you a piece of s**t in one of my posts. Clearly I was right about that at least.

I had no idea the Cavs were getting the 2018 Nets Pick and Jae Crowder. That changes things. Looks like a good trade for the Cavs and a bad one for the Celtics as of right now.

We'll see if Irving is ready to take over and be the man now that he isn't playing with the selfish ego-maniac LeBron... I'm guessing that is what Ainge is banking on.

Selfish ego maniac Lebron is the only reason why Irving has won jack ****ing shit in his pro career.

To start with, no body should bitch about player loyalty any longer when teams don't show loyalty to players that give everything.

As far as the trade goes, IMHO this comes down to if you think Kyrie is worth a Top 5 pick. :shrug: IT is most likely a 1 year rental, Crowder is a good player but the pick is probably the most important part because Lebron probably isn't coming back. Of course this trade could be a big bust for Cleveland if the Nets end up making the playoffs this year or close enough to blow the pick up. The East is so bad and teams like the Pacers, Bulls, Magic, and Hawks more than likely end up worse or because they are tanking.

As far as this season goes does this help the Cavs beat GSW? Definitely no IMHO.

Here come the LeBronies...

Look if LeBron was such a great teammate I don't think Kyrie would want to leave. Granted I called Kyrie a crybaby not too long ago but lets be real here. LeBron clearly chased Kyrie away.

Don't be surprised if the Celtics beat the overrated Cavs in the ECF next season with Kyrie being the MVP. Kyrie is going to want to prove ppl who say he can't be the man on a team wrong and he is going to play with a fire not seen in him before.

Celtics vs Spurs or Warriors (more than likely the Warriors) in next years finals.

Tim Duncan played with the Spurs his whole career and the Spurs overpaid him in his last contract. Loyalty still exists Le3-5finalsrecord just doesn't know anything about that!

Somehow I don't see a Nets team that won 20 games last year making the playoffs after an offseason in which they just traded their best player away (Brook Lopez). They are going to suck.

Nobody is beating the Warriors any time soon. That wasn't going to change this offseason no matter what anybody did.

You mean like 2 hours ago?

I'm a Timberwolves fan, you dork.

Sorry to hear that man.

Yes. Doesn't change the fact LeBron chased Irving away.

Thomas is 29, coming off a hip issue, with his entire game is based on speed, is in the last year of his contract, and is expecting/wanting a Max contract. Irving is 25.

Crowder was getting crowded out at the wing with teh Celtics recent draft picks/acquisition. Easy give for the C's.

The only asset the C's gave that hurt is the unprotected Nets 1, which isn't looking like the top overall pick anymore. The C's also have numerous other high draft picks in the next 2 years. Can't just stockpile more and more assets in teh NBA. Need megastars to compete for championships.

The Nets roster though is better than most of the other teams I listed and they aren't in tanking mode. The East is so bad they could win quite a few games.

None of the other guys in the discussion help as much as Irving, I don't think.

Irving is 25. Tatum is, whatever, 19. Jaylen Brown is 20. Haywood 27. Marcus Smart 23. C's still have multiple first round picks from other teams.

Good freaking post!

Yup. I am interested to hear if IT passes his physical. There is alot of speculation out there right now that he isn't healthy and Ainge hinted at that tonight in an interview.

Yes, I understand that side of it. Doesn't mean it's any kind of real upgrade at PG for the Celtics or that their franchise's trajectory has changed in any real way both now and in the future by making this move. If LeBron actually stays as a result of it, it could also really hurt them.

Agreed. And they gave him to their main competition in the East, a team that has badly needed a player like Crowder for years. Not exactly ideal.

It isn't? The Nets are going to be hilariously bad once again.


Exactly. Which is why waiting all this time just to trade for Kyrie (who isn't even a top 25 player in the league and almost certainly never will be with his major flaws) while trading away a top 3 pick (a player who could potentially be a megastar) is so senseless.

For those who REALLY care, here are the stupid-complicated Celtics draft picks in future years: