Mahomes puts us over the top. He absolutely does. I think you can actually argue that Reids offensive scheme is so effective that the need for an elite QB is mitigated to some degree compared to many other teams. I guess the best way to phrase it would be is that Patrick Mahomes talent would be a larger variable if he was on a different team. Like he could drag someone like Jacksonville to a playoff spot. I firmly believe that, but the difference in win shares is less on a great coached team like Reid.

That isn't to say that Mahomes isn't valuable. We saw Reid make Smith look like a HOF QB in his best yr but we all knew that team just didn't have it to be able to win a SB (mainly imo because an elite QB value highest isnon 3rd downs)

That makes no sense. If you put prime Alex Smith in Green Bay they'd win 10+ too.

Remember when Smith went like an entire season without throwing a TD pass to a WR? I member

3rd down/4th down conversions and performance while trailing. The advanced metrics are off the charts for Mahomes on this kind of situational football. Unfortunately most people are way too lazy to really dig into these areas of the game. Patrick is super special in situations where the odds are stacked against him. 3rd and forever? Trailing by double digits? No problem for him. Major problem for every other QB including the other elite guys.

Yeah Mahomes is the best QB in history at 3rd and 15. With most QBs it feels like an impossible task. With Mahomes I feel like he will get it more than not which is insane.

If the NFL ever does the 4th and 15 thing instead of kicking off option we may never lose again

What does that have to do with anything? Even in that year we had a winning record. So yeah, put Smith in GB and they'd win 10+ games too.

I’m curious to see how they do in the playoffs this year. Last year the Niners exposed them as a paper tiger. So far this year, Green Bay has 1 win against a good team all year. It will be interesting to see what happens when they face some tougher competition.

You think Rodgers could buy himself enough time to get him the ball like Mahomes does?

I know I and the rest of us on here are homers but still...... They mention Rodgers has inferior WR talent than us, agreed but......I rarely hear these talking heads mention how much worse are O-line is than Rodgers for the majority of the games this year.


And in no way am I attempting to minimize how great Rodgers is, he is fantastic. Just Mahomes is a little better.

It is because Patrick is so young. Gotta take credit away from the young kid until he’s been around long enough that it simply becomes an accepted fact that he’s a great QB no matter how anyone views it.

I was epically jealous of Rodgers and GB in general prior to Mahomes. I’d watch Whatever **** we’d roll out there flounder around and then watch Rodgers just carve defenses up with 4th round picks. A couple times I was so mad I just shut it off.

Rodgers is ****ing good. Mahomes is the best I’ve ever seen.

That is why I rate Rodgers performance higher due to the fact that the Packers are actually weak..

He had lots of practice at those situations while at Texas Tech

I guess we will find out soon enough.

It's just a name on a trophy.

4th quarter in a key playoff game, which qb would you want. Which qb would you want to build your team aroind as a LEADER. on paper the two seasons might match up but mahomes is way way more valuable to his team. Rodgers for all his success is nothing special as a teammate and has a habit of getting blown out in big games. I'll take our guy any day of the week.