If you believe that it's important to promote procreation and child rearing in intact nuclear families, it's rational to promote the kinds of living arrangements that make that most likely. One way to do it is to give special benefits to traditional marriages, but not to people who choose to live life in other arrangements (single, cohabitation, same sex couples, three or more adult partners, etc.).

If you believe that a child is best served by having a parent of each sex who live together in a committed relationship, then opposing adoption by single people or gay couples or groups of three or more is rational.

If you believe that the perpetrator of a cold blooded murder for cash or for revenge or for any other reason should face the same penalties as that of a cold blooded murder based on the hatred of a particular class of people, then opposition to hate crimes legislation is rational.

None of these require you to dislike or disapprove of gay people. I'd love to hear a response from you that isn't based on your own opinion about how convincing these reasons are.

Yeah, I looked it up. Really edgy...

Yup. Marginally talented with a narrow range of acting abilities. Why is this news?

Better yet, why the F am I commenting?

My dog shat foil this morning and it was hanging out of his butt. Does Ellen Page care? Good, we're even.

That's some foil d gras we can all understand

Your dog is a hero. I applaud his courage at purging the foil from his body. We could all learn a lesson from him. #overcompensate

Be careful what you wish for. The idiots here who think they're smart will opine. Watch...

Actually, the last time that someone claimed there were rational arguments for it (just pedofilin' by), he ducked out without ever saying what the rational arguments were.

Other than a questionable study that measured 'penis circumference' in an obviously staged atmosphere, this is largely bullshit. I haven't seen a lot of evidence at all that people who hate gays are all secretly harboring love for men. It's obviously a bullshit counter argument meant to attack their masculinity, which makes it no different than gay bashing really. You're just like that kid calling someone a 'pillowbiter' because you think they're wimpy.

You know they did a study once about how men's brains react to man on man sex. This is, really, the only kind of homosexuality that really outrages men. They found that there's an interesting brain reaction to the average man when he sees and image of two dudes butt ****ing... aggression.

Even the most liberal and socially progressive folks in the world... if they were not gay the basic response was the same as if they felt threatened by something.

I can't explain why there is a response like that, but it makes more sense than "if you hate something you secretly love that thing!"

That applies to absolutely nothing. At all. We don't claim people who hate black people secretly want to have sex with them. They're just assholes.

I feel sorry for Homos. Some feel the need to tell the world what they're ****ing when no one really cares.

This thread has been on the front page for days.

Obviously folks here care.

A lot.

That's why you clicked on the thread with hundreds of posts, right? To tell us that nobody cares?

There are probably 100 posts on this very thread of people saying the exact same thing as you. "Nobody cares."

That's a lot of not caring for a pretty boring thing that nobody cares about, wouldn't you say?

FYI... you're doing the same thing you're accusing him of. At least he provided links to the study in post #655....

On the surface the answer would probably be yes. However, in my case it's a, "Not really"....My reasoning is simple - if they gay person gets to announce it. I get to say that I don't care. Hopefully with enough," I don't care" responses in the real world, there will eventually be no need to announce anything. Same with responding to a thread like this.

Just do it - don't announce it. Just my opinion.

That's the same study I"m talking about. I know that this silly study, which was designed around reaching a specific conclusion, exists. Now let's apply common sense... does anything ELSE increase bloodflow that could make your cock expand a bit? There are a multitude of things that can cause it aside from sexual arousal... you know things like nervousness, stress, anger, and even fear. Ya think MAYBE these things could impact a study that is targeting people who are nervous, stressed, angry and fearful of gay people? Measuring penis circumference is not a good way to tell if someone is aroused, and a slight increase is NOT a boner. It's not scientific. It's dick measuring. Just stop and IMAGINE this thing taking place.

It's a bullshit study designed to justify a bullshit argument. However since it reaches the desired conclusion (which is to, again, emasculate people by calling them gay... which seems counter to the whole 'supportive of gay people' position) it's often cited and is plastered all over the ****ing internet.

I'm looking for the study I'm talking about, but I did find the study which imaged people's brains under similar circumstances (also with various control groups) to be far more reliable than a dick measuring session. If I can't find it... believe what you want. I view you as a pretty empirically minded guy, so honestly I'm surprised you'd buy into such a silly agenda driven study.

Look, I'm fully supportive of gay folks. Get married, adopt babies (a lot of kids need homes you assholes and a gay couple is better than 'the system' that created charlie Manson)... I'm all for it. If you want to get to the root of why people hate gays, the best place to start is by being honest about it. They're not harboring secret man lust. They're assholes.

I'm not going to say that gay bashers are secretly gay, but you do have to wonder about what it is about homosexuality that elicits such a hateful reaction.

To clarify, I'm speaking specifically of gay bashers that aren't religious and/or have never had a negative encounter with a homosexual (like being molested by a gay uncle or being close to someone growing up that was molested by a gay, etc.)