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Mosbonian
12-07-2021 09:33 PM
Gotta say there are a lot of Marvel cynics in here....are they really that bad for everyone?
The What If series is the only one I scratch my head at. The rest have been what I would have expected...entertaining but nothing blockbuster.
DaFace
12-07-2021 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mosbonian
(Post 15997784)
Gotta say there are a lot of Marvel cynics in here....are they really that bad for everyone?
The What If series is the only one I scratch my head at. The rest have been what I would have expected...entertaining but nothing blockbuster.
I'm still a big fan. I just don't have as much to talk about when we're largely in exposition territory rather than the point where we're discussing theories and predictions about where they're going.
Bowser
12-08-2021 08:41 AM
The What If? show served a second purpose as well - it introduced the thought of different universes with the same characters after Loki showed how the multiverse had fractured and was beginning to overlap. No Way Home is going to take all that buildup and apply it into a story that will shape the MCU going forward. IMHO, of course.
Direckshun
12-08-2021 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace
(Post 15997813)
I'm still a big fan. I just don't have as much to talk about when we're largely in exposition territory rather than the point where we're discussing theories and predictions about where they're going.
The Phase 2-3 movies were always fun (in addition to them being very good movies) because they always dropped nuggets in them to tease for future episodes. Phase 1, really, was just about them establishing characters.
Phase... whatever we're in right now seems to be a return to Phase 1. We're getting Shang Chi, we're getting the Eternals, we're getting introduced to all kinds of characters and building worlds around them before we start to cross it all over, I think. That does mean these movies are more straightforward, like they were in Phase 1.
Just a theory.
Spoiler!
Oddly enough, that's different from the Disney+ shows, which have left all kinds of nuggets for the future of the MCU. WandaVision showed us the Wanda that will emerge in Dr. Strange's movie, as well as Monica Rambeau, Agatha (who will get her own spinoff) and (maybe) White Vision. Falcon/WS transitioned Falcon into the new Cap and laid an Easter egg on John Walker. Loki, as Bowser just said, illustrated the multiverse and introduced Kang the Conquerer for Ant Man 3. And now we have Hawk-Eye, who at the very least is setting us up for Kate Bishop, going forward, giving us Echo (who is getting a spin-off), and who knows what else.
Direckshun
12-10-2021 10:37 AM
Spoiler!
Hooooly smokes. Yelena finally showed up in "Hawkeye."
He barely struggled to beat her off, too -- if you can even say he did. And John Walker hasn't even entered the conversation yet. There's not really a thing Hawkeye can do against Walker.
Mr. Plow
12-10-2021 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun
(Post 16000972)
....
Not sure if anyone else cares, but could we identify what these spoilers are about when posting them - maybe just something "Hawkeye Spoiler".
There are certain spoilers I don't really mind reading - things like the future of the MCU. Other ones like this one on a show I'm watching I don't want to read.
Just a request.
Direckshun
12-10-2021 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow
(Post 16001077)
Not sure if anyone else cares, but could we identify what these spoilers are about when posting them - maybe just something "Hawkeye Spoiler".
There are certain spoilers I don't really mind reading - things like the future of the MCU. Other ones like this one on a show I'm watching I don't want to read.
Just a request.
That's reasonable. I'll do what I can going forward.
Mr. Plow
12-10-2021 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun
(Post 16001101)
That's reasonable. I'll do what I can going forward.
Thanks man.
Direckshun
12-11-2021 12:41 AM
Rumors circulating that Letitia Wright (Shuri) is trying to get out of the MCU asap.
Largely due to her refusal to vaccinate, though the injuries she’s sustained seem to be more serious than initially believed/reported.
Honestly? Fine. Recast her.
Her role is invaluable to the MCU. Just recast her.
Zazie Beetz is a perfect fit for the MCU anyway.
Direckshun
12-11-2021 10:47 AM
Hawkeye theory.
Spoiler!
not crazy about this theory, but it’s being theorized that Clint’s wife Laura is actually the Mockingbird. Mockingbird is a Marvel hero (already depicted by a different actress across two seasons in Agents of SHIELD) who has top notch fighting skills and superhero strength, as well as expert marksmanship and sometimes enhanced healing.
This may make sense in some regards. Hawkeye has been shown to be outmatched by Echo. And while he may be able to tactically outsmart her, he has no such advantage against Yelena. Those two alone are more than a match for Clint/Kate. And John Walker is the trump card that neither Clint or Kate can match, and he hasn’t even entered the equation yet. Add in the relative manpower of the mafia and Laura becoming Mockingbird would even out the score (but not entirely, unless they amp up her powers; Walker is going to be too much for all three of them).
But I don’t like the theory and I hope it’s wrong for multiple reasons:
* it reinforces the trope of the man going off to war for years while an arguably more powerful woman stays home and cares for the kids
* it literally begs the question why she hasn’t been more active helping Clint in the past
* it makes the MCU too small
* a lot of her past dialogue doesn’t sound like a superspy—it sounds like a normal person
I hope they resist the urge to do this. She’s played by a great actress but please keep her in her lane.
MarkDavis'Haircut
12-11-2021 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun
(Post 16001841)
Rumors circulating that Letitia Wright (Shuri) is trying to get out of the MCU asap.
Largely due to her refusal to vaccinate, though the injuries she’s sustained seem to be more serious than initially believed/reported.
Honestly? Fine. Recast her.
Her role is invaluable to the MCU. Just recast her.
Zazie Beetz is a perfect fit for the MCU anyway.
Her stance is real heroism.
Take notes, Evans.
Jamie
12-11-2021 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun
(Post 16002054)
Hawkeye theory.
Spoiler!
not crazy about this theory, but it’s being theorized that Clint’s wife Laura is actually the Mockingbird. Mockingbird is a Marvel hero (already depicted by a different actress across two seasons in Agents of SHIELD) who has top notch fighting skills and superhero strength, as well as expert marksmanship and sometimes enhanced healing.
This may make sense in some regards. Hawkeye has been shown to be outmatched by Echo. And while he may be able to tactically outsmart her, he has no such advantage against Yelena. Those two alone are more than a match for Clint/Kate. And John Walker is the trump card that neither Clint or Kate can match, and he hasn’t even entered the equation yet. Add in the relative manpower of the mafia and Laura becoming Mockingbird would even out the score (but not entirely, unless they amp up her powers; Walker is going to be too much for all three of them).
But I don’t like the theory and I hope it’s wrong for multiple reasons:
* it reinforces the trope of the man going off to war for years while an arguably more powerful woman stays home and cares for the kids
* it literally begs the question why she hasn’t been more active helping Clint in the past
* it makes the MCU too small
* a lot of her past dialogue doesn’t sound like a superspy—it sounds like a normal person
I hope they resist the urge to do this. She’s played by a great actress but please keep her in her lane.
Spoiler!
They've already made it pretty clear that she's a retired agent of some kind, I don't think it would be that egregious to also reveal her codename was Mockingbird. Like the difference between her being a retired agent, and her being a retired agent called Mockingbird isn't actually that much. It's basically an easter egg. It might be different if they give her actual superpowers, but that seems unlikely.
Valiant
12-12-2021 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare
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Yes, Disney owns Hulu and may be absorbed by Disney+ in the future
Disney didn't want mature titles on Disney plus. So all adult mcu goes on Hulu.
Bowser
12-16-2021 09:33 AM
Didn't see the last ten seconds of that episode coming, like at all. Perfect timing with No Way Home kicking off today. Genuinely stoked.
Fish
12-16-2021 12:26 PM
Yeah, very interdasting with the bad guy mastermind....
A few nitpicky issues though..
Spoiler!
Yelena's "Russian" accent is damn near too much for me. Not sure why it bothers me so much, but it's so cringy that it takes me out of the moment.
The Maya character is just a one dimensional angry twat.
