Guaranteed. I'm sure Veach is talking to Hopkins agent too. Problem is, he's gonna want all that money and Veach has already shown he's unwilling to do it.

It's close but the 2018 year is probably the best...

Hill/Watkins/Kelce and Hunt

not sure if posted but lol people are trying to do this for real I guess



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just saw DHop at Guy’s Deli at Kelly’s in Westport 👀👀</p>&mdash; Chandler (@_chandler_____) <a href="https://twitter.com/_chandler_____/status/1662144034482135040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

**** it, bring him in here when he is paroled from Arizona, too.

Our boy Gunslingiest is all over this one...

No,

Kelce, Hill, Watkins, Hunt was a lot better. Also I'd take Hill over Hopkins. Until Toney proves he can stay healthy or Moore steps up, then it'd be better than last year, but not better than any year since Reid has been here.

Hopkins is overrated as ****.

Well hey he's from here so.

If we could nab Hopkins and find one more quality addition for the d-line, I'd say we're heavy favorites for the SB!

His own agent, wanting to be a GM. He will be building that resume.
Chiefs vs Bills was a nice touch

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I think the Bills would be better served spending that last bit of cap room on Dalvin Cook.

Juju last year, Hopkins this year, and Florio dies of heart failure. Sounds pretty great really.

Note: I have no idea what the cap situations for any of these teams. Just looking at it from a strategic perspective.


In the AFC (excepting KC), his best options look like BUF, NYJ, and JAX, JAX having the easiest road to the playoffs.


In the NFC, it looks like NYG, DET, CAR.

And maybe TB, just because we really have no idea what the Bucs are going to look like this season, and sometimes those teams that were good a short time ago and still have some of the core players/coaches, but now seem to be in flux, will surprise you and get into the postseason.

I thought we squashed all those "overrated" takes months ago

Good job playing hardball for that 2nd-rounder, Cardinals management! That was some really deft maneuvering! :thumb:

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Jacksonville doesn't make sense because they are working Calvin Ridley into their offense this year with what they already had last year.

Dainty Penis is unfortunately 100% going to stick, sorry about your future bud

It's not close at all.

24 year old Tyreek Hill is wayyyyyyy better than 31 year old Hopkins
29 year old Travis Kelce was better than 34 year old Kelce
Watkins is better than any of the other 2023 WRs until one of them proves different
Hunt and Pacheco are probably a wash

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baker Mayfield with an absolute DIME <br><br>He’s looking REALLY good 👀<br> <a href="https://t.co/1D4ZnyjAkQ">pic.twitter.com/1D4ZnyjAkQ</a></p>&mdash; Luke Sawhook 🪚🪝 (@lukesawhook) <a href="https://twitter.com/lukesawhook/status/1661862785054134277?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is what is going on in Tampa...

If people are trying to act like our weapons with Hopkins this year would be our best ever, then they are saying that he's substantially better than 24 year old Tyreek Hill. That's insanely overrating him.

I would agree. They have absolutely no running game, BUF, and they desperately need one. BUF should be in the market for a top-10 RB more than anything else.

For sure but a few will be on other teams.

If we signed Hopkins, could we trade MVS? He has a $8,560,000 base for 2023. Is he good enough that another team would make a trade>

To the dingy!

Mahomes is better now so...Hopkins is still a #1 WR, he just isn't a speed demon.

Yeah, agreed.

But with Mahomes just entering his prime I'd take a Hopkins/Kelce/Toney/MVS/Pacheco over those '18 and '19 squads. Not saying they're BETTER per se, but I'm saying a seasoned Mahomes is just as dangerous if not more so today with those guys as he was with the Hill and Watkins squads.

Send Clark’s plane, Bart Vatch!

Calvin Ridley or Deandre Hopkins . . . I know I'd make DHop my WR1, no question.


But Doug Pederson is the HC/OC over there, and I don't see any reason he couldn't install the both of them, which would make them a lot more dangerous than they were last season.

Simply start DH, Ridley and Kirk from the slot, let Flowers work in at his own pace this season. Done deal.

I'm sitting here thinking about this tweet and it's making me pessimistic



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As exciting as Dhop is - i&#39;m going to remain cautiously optimistic that he actually lands in KC. Would be awesome to see, but shoot Odell got a 1 year 15M deal worth up to 18M.<br><br>Dhop is the better receiver at this point imo and may sign for even more somewhere.</p>&mdash; how bout those CHIEFS (@hbtCHIEFS) <a href="https://twitter.com/hbtCHIEFS/status/1662151980335104000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Huge difference in signing your deal before the draft and signing a deal end of May start of June.

Would love him to go do a handshake deal with Dungver, then come sign with KC!

He was never a speed guy. But even last season he was regularly stacking DBs down the sideline. DHop is closer to Larry Fitzgerald or Jerry Rice; not blessed with elite speed, but still able to stack DBs 25+ yds downfield because they're elite route-runners.


Plus, DHop can still dominate underneath, and over the middle.

Have we signed this piece of shit yet?

Give him 9 million plus incentives.

Make the deal appear to be 15 million a year so Hopkins can look good.

Yip

Varch is all over it

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Told you. Really strong chance <a href="https://t.co/pg6DxcwajZ">https://t.co/pg6DxcwajZ</a></p>&mdash; The Gunslingiest (@RedMamba707) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedMamba707/status/1662143052373172224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I asked that exact question. Response: ‘The cap is make believe’</p>&mdash; The Gunslingiest (@RedMamba707) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedMamba707/status/1662146306905718790?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have competition but Veach has been after him and Hop prefers to play with Pat over anyone else</p>&mdash; The Gunslingiest (@RedMamba707) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedMamba707/status/1662147523027386386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

According to my calculations we need to hit 420 posts!

It's Hopkinsing!!!

Next year's cap is all going to depend on what they want to do with guys like Gay and Sneed. If they know there isn't a chance of getting them back...then it opens up a lot of shit.

Willie Gay is not getting some massive deal, Sneed on the other hand.

Yeah, probably still pretty long odds.

After all, he still is going to want to get paid something; he isn't going to play for anything like a vet min contract. And I can't see him coming to KC for less than what we're payng MVS.


I think if Andy/Pat really want him, Veach can make that happen, but if he wants more than say $12 million (idk, just throwing a dart at the wall), probably he won't pull the trigger.

What movie is that?

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Wut?

Money and respect go hand in hand. All I'm saying is D-Hop signing for less with KC would be the ultimate disrespect towards the other 31 teams. NFL world be set a-blaze. Oh I hope it happens.

Restructure Kelce…..gets you about $7M

Trade MVS…..gets you about $7M

That’s about $14M easily

Hey, I follow that guy on Twitter! I like that guy. He's funny.

Jesus Christ.

WE'RE NOT TRADING MVS.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DeAndre Hopkins upset some in the Cardinals organization by sitting out the final two games of the 2022 season even though he was healthy, per sources. It may have been a sticky situation if he remained with the team until the trade deadline.</p>&mdash; Kyle Odegard (@Kyle_Odegard) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kyle_Odegard/status/1662146550573985795?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Chris Jones restructure as well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs received permission to talk with DeAndre Hopkins earlier in the offseason and spoke to him before the draft, per sources. Contract was the hurdle, and to do it now, price would have to come way down.<br><br>KC likes him, but the deal they gave Donovan Smith makes $$$ tough.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1662179996301918208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh FFS, are you even capable or making a post that doesn't involve trading MVS.

Jesus ****.

That one is more difficult cause that is a new contract and he is probably waiting for Quinnen Williams to get done so who knows when that'll be.

So the MCL was basically a fiction? Would explain how he was back training so fast after the season.

There is no way MVS is getting traded

Only the best golfing movie ever made

It really doesn't. A Kelce restructure gets you what you need. Add a void year and some incentives and we're practically there. A Jones extension makes it even easier.

Yeah and Albert Breer is a hating ass bitch, so there's that.

On the other thread about whether we should acquire Hopkins [the one Discussing this before he was cut] I said, I don’t think we really are going to need him given the expected development of Toney and Moore And possibly rice, and that we shouldn’t pay more than 9 million.

But I’m thinking it over, and given that there’s no draft capital involved anymore, it probably is important to get him, but more to keep him away from Buffalo, Baltimore, and Philadelphia.
I agree with others here that buffalo doesn’t make sense because unless they are stupid, they will focus on spending on a running back (Cook).
If he joined the ravens Jackson would have one of the best receiving groups in the league, and that would be dangerous.
If he joins Philadelphia, they would probably have one of the best offences of all time, Assuming Hurst doesn’t relapse. That would (almost) guarantee them at the Super Bowl.


So I guess we should go for more than 9 million if necessary to get him. I like the idea of an incentive laden $9 million contract that someone else suggested. And trading MSP to get cap space would make sense as part of this equation.

That dude plays too much Madden.



Side note, could Veach still restructure MVS' deal to create a couple mil?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Come win a ring in KC bro <a href="https://twitter.com/DeAndreHopkins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DeAndreHopkins</a> ���� <a href="https://t.co/bgvQJN6w6V">https://t.co/bgvQJN6w6V</a></p>&mdash; Justin Reid (@JustinqReid) <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinqReid/status/1662178075453341704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bart has already proven that he can make shit happen with pocket change and a lint covered Werther's original. If both sides are serious, he'll make it happen

Yep. Go make it happen. End of story.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If true, that means the Chiefs are likely looking to leverage NLTBE incentives for a Nuk deal towards 2024 cap (which always seemed likely), because Donovan Smith&#39;s $1.98M guaranteed in 2023 shouldn&#39;t be a barrier. <a href="https://t.co/AubmDEGwxZ">https://t.co/AubmDEGwxZ</a></p>&mdash; Kent Swanson (@kent_swanson) <a href="https://twitter.com/kent_swanson/status/1662181767472721920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Here's the thing, the Chiefs would be just fine without Hopkins. They'll probably even have the #1 offense in the league again. Mahomes, Kelce and Pacheo will carry them, Moore and Toney will be good enough, maybe even explosive at times. Rice will give you decent production, but we all know it's hard on rookies year one in this system.

Hopkins makes you a juggernaut. He opens up everything and everyone to play roles they are more suited to play for the short term. Plus, you're keeping him out of Buffalo. Just go do it. Pat deserves it, just make it happen. I don't even care if you overpay a bit, it'll be fine. Not going to bankrupt anyone on a 1-2 year deal. Sign him.

Don't worry, Kent....I got you.

He gives you a known commodity. Toney and Moore are all ceiling and not a lot of floor. MVS succeeds at one thing and Rice is a rookie. Hopkins would be a great leader for Rice as well.

Abert Breer! He's never wrong!

Mahomes has gotta be sitting there thinking, "This is what i take less money for..."

My stance has always been that those two are gone after this season, if not before. Obviously through no fault of their own, unless we want to blame them for being good players. It's just what happens when you're paying a franchise QB and couple that with a lot of success. Your good players are viewed as saviors by other franchises and they'll overpay to get them.

This. We all want, and Veach/Andy really need, for Rice to pan out. No better way to jumpstart his career than to put him in the same locker room, same practice field and same games as Deandre Hopkins, the man Rice already fashions his game after. Let Rashee see and learn from his idol up close and personal for a year or two.

Exactly. You don't do this, and you're losing some credibility with him. You owe it to him if he's going to agree to stick with his current contract, and I think that's the main reason you go do it.

Mike Florio disapproves

Excellent point. It's EXACTLY why Pat was so agreeable about taking less money.

Rice turning into Hopkins 2.0 is my most ideal outcome. What better way than learn from the original

Mahomes agreed to an extremely team friendly deal because he wants to play with studs. He wants to win championships. He wants to cement his legacy. If Mahomes wants DHop Veach better turn over every single stone to make it happen.