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There was nothing to hate about her because the showrunner didn't have anything for her to do but to be "the bad guy". There wasn't any character development at all. We don't know about her parents or siblings or what led her to create this underground army of people that was concerned about repatriating 20 million people. I mean, if you look at this scenario logically, displacing only 20 million people after 3.5 billion returned is a pretty damn good stat. Why kill people and risk your life over 20 million people that you don't even know? The entire series was senseless and could be summed up in a 3 paragraph Wikipedia page. There is absolutely no compelling reason it to even exist, let alone, dump $150 million into. |
The fact she was a sock puppet for social justice is enough reason to hate her.
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I didn't hate this as bad as some of you. It was pretty badly fumbled, but I could sit through it to endure the good parts. There is talk that COVID made them shitcan some of the storyline. Hopefully that's true. This was pretty well a hamfisted mess, but if they stuck stuff in that should be on the editing room floor because they had to edit their story line, I can kind of see it. (at least I HOPE that's what happened)
Anyway, here's the way I see it. The Good Pretty much every non-fighting scene with Bucky. Stan did a really great job here. Mind you with not a ton to work with. The stuff he did emotionally dealing with his shit worked. He was charasmatic when he needed to be, which was great - with the old man, on the date, with Sam's nephews, flirting with Sam's sister (ROFL). Especially his banter with Sam. I'm a pretty big Mackie fan and watch most everything he's in, but Stan really nailed this one. I need more jokes! I really enjoyed Walker's redemption. Maybe I'm a heel and should have expected it, but I was expecting Sam/Bucky to have to fight him AND the flag smashers. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed that. I'm kind of anxious to see if they can do something with JLD and him and make it work. It's dumb, but I love GSP The Meh Sharon Carter. Meh. My wife was super pissed because she tarnished Peggy's name, but I was meh. I saw it coming. It was underdeveloped, didn't make a ton of sense. Emily VanCampen trips my trigger though. So, Meh. The Social Justice stuff was pretty poorly done. There is probably a story to tell there, but damn it, do better than this. I mean, damn, man. Race relations are a thing. And Frankly I expected Green Book to be this, but it was great. It told a real feeling story, with real stakes, and real emotion. That is how you tell a race related story. And I like the idea of governments having problems after the blip, but the Star Wars Prequels could build more interesting political intrigue than this. There were some really good components there, but you have to do better than that man. If you're going to tackle something like that, you have to get it right. The Bad All the technical components sucked. Pacing, writing, editing, music (to the extent that I can speak on it) sucked. There was pretty much no nuance anywhere except Sharon Carter and Bucky's guilt. The government went full reerun in a way the MCU has avoided to date. The Flagsmasher stuff was pretty much exclusively dumb. I get their movement. I can even hand wave the number of people they had and how easy they built a mob. Whatever. All of their motivations were transparently only to advance the the narrative. The book seasons of GOT were excellent showcases of having a story have independent moving pieces that interact to tell a story. This is the opposite of that. The Flagsmashers were merely an excuse to have Sam and Bucky do stuff. Dumb. Moreover, they were supposed to be punk kids who took super soldier serum. But when Walker and Bucky who should be of comparative strength, they are magically technically and tactically sound fighters? **** off. In real life here, when someone doesn't know how to fight, they pretty much exclusively get their asses kicked by people who know how to fight. Bucky and Walker know how to fight. Both those dudes walk into a fight with these guys they're going to properly use spacing, technique and leverage and wax these dudes. Dumb. Which leads me to the biggest disappointment of them all. Bucky's fights. Winter Soldier fight scenes are some of the best in the MCU. I know I've posted this before, but the fact that this guy was being sold as the same guy in this series is criminal. Bucky in the movies is fast, precise, and tactical. Bucky in the series just magically forgot how to fight and relies on brute strength. I encourage everyone to watch the clip I keep posting. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/qXPOl6EjbWg" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> I'm even open to the argument that some of that was the Winter Soldier programming, but in this clip, he's Bucky, not the Winter Soldier, and he still moves, is fast, attacks angles, and his tactics are specifically to attack a weakness. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Y2YO-2Vwxd8" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> To me that is the biggest disappointment. :( |
Completely agree with the bucky fights. Biggest disappointment for me as well.
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Put me down for meh too. Underwhelming as ****.$150 million for this? Don't feel a need or care to see more of this shit.
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This was pretty convincingly the "least good" thing the MCU has done to this point for me, and that includes Captain Marvel and probably Thor 2. Shame, too - they had a stacked cast and near unlimited funds for this project.
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ROFL ROFL - apparently if you want a spoiler on Elaine Benes
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Meh, but more entertaining than WV unfortunately
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Whoever wrote this crap should never be allowed to play in the MCU sandbox ever again. We watch comic book movies to escape from this crap, not to have it shoved down our throats in about the most hamfisted way possible. |
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The fighting and action scenes overall were bad the whole series. Sam got his ass kicked in basically every fight he was in the whole series. The opening sequence in episode 1 was the best he looked all series even after he turned into Captain America. His whole progression made zero sense. I guess that fight was just to hook people into the show and he got nerfed after that.
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"except the top of his head where his brain is" LMAO
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Hehe. Yea, what are the chances that a senator on board that chopper was a full blown experienced pilot?
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Now that it's been a few days, what about that stupid Power Broker reveal?
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One of the dork videos I watched pointed out some continuity errors and it could be the skrull thing. Or it's shitty. :shrug: |
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If it wasn't a Skrull, it makes zero sense. Like I had mentioned earlier, this is a person who's the niece of the founder of SHIELD, who put her life on the line for Captain America and the country, yet the government disavows the character completely? Like most of the series, it just made no sense. I'm seriously shocked that Kevin Feige allowed this absolute nonsense to air AND double down with the announced of Captain America 4, which is definitely a Disney+ watch for me and not a theatrical, especially considering I basically had to beg my kids to watch the series with me after Episode 1. |
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First, she's secretly spying on Cap by pretending to be his neighbor and apparently at the behest of none other than Peggy Carter herself, Cap's lifelong love. Then, after the reveal, Cap and Sharon make out, which was "overdue". Cap decided to stay back in 1945 or whatever and have a life with Peggy Carter, despite the fact he had the hots for her niece and would have given her the Captain's Stabbin' had there been more time. Overall, she's just a weird character to include in the MCU. |
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They so easily could have added resolution to the latter storyline in Endgame (especially after referencing it in IW), but just... didn't? |
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*And yes, more so than Peggy. Peggy wasn't actually in the comics in the 40s, she was added via retcon in the 60s as part of Sharon's backstory. Sharon and Peggy actually both make their first appearance in the same issue. |
Captain's Stabbin. ROFL Well done.
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Maybe Sharon is a shield bunny and will get it on with Flying Cap in 4.
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Virtue signaling-SJW lovefest-shitshow was shit. Hopefully Loki is better.
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The Captain America trilogy are probably my favorite MCU movies, but I have no interest in seeing part 4 after this series.
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So does anything new start this week?
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Is this worth the watch or should I just watch the “New Rockstars” breakdowns to get caught up? Wanted to wait until all the episodes dropped but I’m still finding it difficult to get hyped for multiple hours of The Sam and Bucky Show.
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Kind of like saying 'should I be a Chiefs fan in the 2020s, I've had trouble getting hyped about QBs and WRs playing catch.' |
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I think my reaction to the series would have been different had I realized the intent of the series because I was expecting a continuation of typical MCU fare and not an introspective look at Sam and Bucky’s motivations. That $150 million dollar price tag really skewed my expectations. |
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All they showed in the trailers were 1. Action, 2. Jokes. Which is what I expected. Doesn't change the fact that they fumbled it pretty hard though. I'm on wax here after episode 1 not expecting it to be so heavy, but liking it. If they would have went down that road it could have worked, but it's like they didn't know what they wanted it to be. Had some good ideas on a storyboard, but couldn't get it on film as a cohesive piece. |
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The Critical Drinker always puts it so eloquently.
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Marcus Spellman, the head writer of the series, was more interested in showing how difficult the Black experience in America would be for a Black man to assume the mantle of Captain America and as such, hired a writer's room with black writers only. The series was a character study. The producers were more concerned about the dramatic details over typical MCU action fare, which is what we got. If anyone "failed", it's the Marketing Department because the trailers and promos made the series look as if it would be a normal MCU entry but it was far from it. |
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You don't have to look any further than Watchmen a few years ago for a far better character study involving superheros that touches on the Black experience in America. |
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That's a great comparison with Watchmen and TFatWS, actually. Both could have been amazing stories, but both got drug down into the SJW mud by the people setting the story up.
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Marvel has apparently decided that it's best for certain ethnicities to run and write for specific characters. Notice how Black Panther had an all Black cast and crew (save for Ludwig Goransson, the composer). Anthony Mackie stated he thought that was more "racist" than just hiring the best people. Same thing happened with The Falcon & The Winter Soldier series in which the showrunner, producer and writer was Black, as was the entire writer's room. Shang-Ti has an Asian cast and an Asian director. The Eternals has an Asian director and several Asian characters, along with an Asian lead in Gemma Chan (who is absolutely Hot AF!). It's clear that Chloé Zhao is a very talented director because she dominated awards season and supposedly, Marvel is absolutely blown away by what she did with The Eternals. But Marcus Spellman (TFATWS & Cap 4) and Daniel Creston (Shang Ti) had zero experience directing $200 million dollar plus properties and from the outside, it looks as if they catered to the SJW mob who has been demanding that Asians can only direct Asians, Blacks can only direct Blacks while females can only direct females. We're seeing it with the upcoming TV series as well. My post isn't meant to demean any of those people because if anyone knows how difficult it is to even get a movie made in this town, it's me. I just see it as somewhat of a concerning trend, especially since the Oscars, because they've now been calling for more female composers to score films. I tend to think that if there was the female equivalent of John Williams, Hans Zimmer, Alan Silvestri, Brian Tyler, Christophe Beck, et al, they'd have so much work that they'd need to pass it on to other composers. Anyway, I just don't understand how Marvel can live up to the expectations set in Phase 1, 2 & 3 if they're not hiring the best people in the business to write, direct and produce their films and instead, are cowering to the "mob". |
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This is business. We’re in it to win it. At least I am in mine. As far as cowering yo the mob, this sounds more like dumbass HR policy than worrying about Twitter. But I could be all the way wrong on that one. |
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What a strange (no pun intended LOL) thing to say about one of your star characters.
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Nonetheless that’s a troubling trend.
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But to drop Dr. Strange from the ending of this series, especially after those commercials were such a critical component of how the story would end, is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, Dr. Strange IS the Sorcerer Supreme and Wanda was just discovering her powers, so OF COURSE he's far more powerful than her at this point in time. Dismissing Dr. Strange, like Feige did in that interview, is not only ludicrous and insulting to both the character and Cumberbatch, it's insulting to the audience as well. If this is the path they're preparing for Phase 4 and 5, I think they're going to lose a lot of viewers. |
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Also Spellman has only been hired to write and develop Cap 4. I wouldn't be surprised if it passes into other hands before it gets made, if previous Marvel films are anything to go by. While I'm at it I want to point out, Spellman isn't the showrunner of F&tWS in the traditional sense. Matt Shakman, who directed Wandavision, described showrunner duties on Marvel shows as being split between the head writer, director, and Feige, with Feige maintaining final say. The director of F&tWS (Kari Skogland) is a white woman, so two of the three people most directly responsible for F&tWS are white. |
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James Gunn was a successful screenwriter and built a cult-following with his quirky movies such as Slither. He'd worked on successful properties in the past and was clearly the best choice for Guardians (and Suicide Squad). He has his own aesthetic and was a master of visuals long before Marvel. The Russo Brothers carved out a successful career spanning decades of working in TV. They won a Prime Time Emmy for Arrested Development, wrote and directed feature films and created successful comedy series. Now, compare that to Daniel Cretton's resume of three very, very small movies and one movie starring Michael B. Jordan. It's paltry and utterly ridiculous to compare him to people that had decades of success before being handed a Marvel project. Then, compare the Russo's and Whedon to Malcom Spellman, who had like 8 episodes of Empire credited to his name, a few episodes of a bad Apple TV series and co-writer of a film 10 years ago. Neither Cretton nor Spellman have even 1/50th the resume of Whedon, the Russo's or James Gunn, yet it's very, very clear why they were hired. To even remotely suggest that their career trajectories and credits are similar are similar in any way, shape or form is ludicrous and outright dumb. |
I can understand if they were trying to avoid making Wanda look like a damsel in distress, but they still could have included him. Even a simple Back to the Future ending where he shows up at the cabin and tells her that her kids are in danger would have been nice. A simple, "didn't you get my warnings, or did you skip the commercials?" comment would have tied those up too.
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You just have to be kidding, right? How can you be this obtuse? It's pretty clear that Malcom Spellman had no business producing or writing TFATWS because it was a shit story with shit editing and looked a like Network TV show and NOT a Marvel MCU property worth $150 million dollars. I realize that you can use Wikipedia or IMDB to "dispute" but your post is rooted in complete and utter nonsense. The Russo's, James Gunn and especially Joss Whedon (who I actually despise) paid their dues for more than a decade before being handed a huge, expensive, blockbuster property. And IMDB doesn't account for all of those years spent as Writer's Assistants or PA's or any other type of work that's required to rise in the ranks. JFC. |
And Jon Watts, not "John" was a big time music video director with a certain visual style, along with graduating from NYU film school.
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You're stating that it's standard M.O. in Hollywood to give anyone that's written a few episodes of a TV series a $150 million dollar Marvel project, which couldn't be any ****ing further from the truth. There are tens of thousands of people in town that have decades writing for TV series and even feature films that will NEVER sniff a Marvel film, let alone, a TV series with a budget of TFATWS. That's an undeniable FACT. I mean, ****in' A, man, if it was THAT easy to get a series, people wouldn't work their asses off for no money for years on end in order to at least get a break. And the worst part is, this isn't the first time you've pulled this shit. You're just some assclown in a small town somewhere in Missouri who thinks he's got it all figured out but you're unbelievably ****ing CLUELESS. And IMDB credits need to be entered by the individual and confirmed. Most people don't put the work they've done for FREE or as interns on their IMDB page. Now, for the love of God, please SHUT THE **** UP. |
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I have a good friend that's written, co-written, produced and executive produced more than 800 episodes of network TV. I'm not talking Lifetime Network, I'm talking CBS, NBC and ABC. He's also written or co-written four different movies that have earned more than $150 million dollars at the box office, one of which earned more than $200 million. Last Fall, I asked if he was working on anything cool during the pandemic, to which he responded "I'm working on a Marvel pitch". I was super excited for him and because of your stupid, uninformed and asinine posts in this thread, I reached out to him this morning to find out how it was going. "Well, as it turns out, I have some juice in this town but apparently not enough to get a pitch meeting with Marvel". I was floored but not surprised, considering the climate in Hollywood right now. A guy that's had 4 "winners" at the box office, a Netflix series on its 4th season who produced massive hit shows can't get a meeting with Marvel, most likely because he's a 57 year old white male. But Malcom Spellman and his 8 episodes of Empire can get a Marvel property and Daniel Cretton, with a couple of dopey films under his belt that didn't make any money, can get a Marvel property. You're ****ing outright clueless to what's happening right now. |
I had nearly forgotten Marvel hired Sam Raimi to make the Dr Strange sequel. He’s the ultimate ‘geek’ director.
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