Thanks! I’ll need to rewatch the whole thing because I was dozing and definitely missed the end credit scene.

I was kinda surprised when I heard that Kang would be the Phase 4 villain. Knowing how many plot holes there were with the Avengers movies that they would stick with the messing with time mechanic for an entire phase, I just can't wait for all the sweaty dudes to talk shit about how Marvel is so inaccurate with timelines.

Great call. Can’t wait until we see the evil variant Kang. Not sure if that person comes in the new Ant Man or Dr Strange movie

There’s also the possibility that he may be revealed in Spider-Man: No Way Home.

All I can say is that Phase 4 and 5 are going to be WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more ambitious than Phases 1-3.

Fantastic Four, all of the upcoming Marvel TV series, Shang-Chi, The Eternals, Secret Invasion-there is a lot on the horizon.

I think it's pretty clear that this is all leading up to Secret Wars much later this decade.

Wow, now that was an introduction.

So are we going to get Iron Kid with the West Coast Avengers? :D

Also.....

I’m thinking that once Dr Strange find out about this and that Loki did it, he’s going to want to permanently put Loki in that falling dimension he placed him in when Thor was looking for his father LMAO

That was really great foreshadowing and planning on the part of Kevin Feige and Marvel because Dr. Strange had a list of beings that could cause harm to the Earth and Loki was one of those beings.

I wonder if Dr. Strange somehow knew that Loki was a threat to the entire universe/multiverse?

I don't know how I feel about that episode. I almost feel let down, in the sense that it felt like stopping in the middle of a season rather than at the end of one.

I agree 100%.

I posted earlier that I didn't think that Kang would be the "Big Bad" because there wasn't enough time in the series to introduce him and have a satisfying conclusion to the series.

Well, clearly, they had another season planned, so it threw that theory right out the window. Most of the episode was spent on Immortus talking about himself and the multiverse. Personally, I found that weird because it was almost like a Voiceover, which generally speaking, is considered bad filmmaking. The story, actors and visuals should tell the story, not a defacto narrator.

Also, I wouldn't have stayed up so late had it been known that there's a Season 2, which hasn't even gone into production, which makes it all the stranger. If they knew that the series would need a second season, it should have been shot simultaneously with the first season, especially for budgeting reason.

I wouldn't say the episode was bad, per se, but it was certainly unexpected for me, and not in a good way.

I didn't feel let down at all and thought it was a very effective finale. It opened up massive possibilities for this franchise, introduced us to the major villain of the next phase, and paved the way for further stories with these characters. Now, if they weren't planning a S2 with these characters I might feel differently (as they didn't fully provide closure for Loki/Sylvie/Mobius' character arcs). But they are planning that and presumably will do that down the road.

The season ended on a cliffhanger, which is lame, especially considering it's going to be quite a while before Kang's next appearance, whether that's in another season of Loki that could debut at the end of 2022 or in the next Ant-Man movie, which won't be released until 2023.

That's a crazy long cliffhanger and wait.

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Lol

I get that reaction but I can wait. I read a rumour before the episode that S2 had been greenlighted, so maybe that was a part of my reaction as well. I didn't expect closure going into the finale, so I wasn't too bothered when we didn't get that.

Personally, I liked this finale more than the Wandavision finale (we won't even get into TFATW which was pretty bad throughout the entire series and ended very poorly as well).

I think my opinion of TFATWS is well documented but I felt that series was a waste of not only $150 million dollars but a missed opportunity to do so much more with both characters, other than wallow in their past decision making. It was a downer.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree about WandaVision, especially since Loki hasn't concluded. But IMO, the finale of WV was amazing. We were not only introduced to White Vision but Agatha Harkness as a real MCU character as well (who Feige said yesterday "Won't return soon enough to the MCU), as well as finding out that the Skrulls have indeed infiltrated the highest levels of government and law enforcement. I don't think her "kids" are actually gone from the MCU, which is interesting in and of itself (think Young Avengers, Ms. Marvel, Kid Loki, Wanda's kids, etc.) and the final scene in which she's teleporting and reading the Darkhold was amazing.

The final episode of Loki seemed to me like an entire reset of the series: Everything that existed before is gone - his relationship with Sylvie, his relationship with Mobius and even moreso, the end of the TVA and a new Big Bad.

So much of Loki was just exposition. Had I known that it was going to end on a cliffhanger, I wouldn't have been as invested in the series, which kind of taints Season 2 for me, even this far out. I'm not sure if I'm down for another 5.5 hours of Loki talking about himself.

It had a very "The Good Place" season finale.

I think the writers will be able to continue thinks like Good Place after the reset.

So basically this sets up Kang killing all the multiversal copies of himself.

I am thinking that Ravonna was sent to find the older Rama Tut which is a retired version of Kang ruling ancient Egypt. Looks like Loki landed in a universe with a more evil Kang since the statue is wearing Kang's battle suit from the comics.

https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/...ho_is_kang.jpg

I don’t know if I would describe it as a complete reset. The impact of his character’s journey in those episodes (and particularly his relationships with Sylvie and Mobius) have changed Loki as a character irreversibly and will no doubt be felt in the following season. Sylvie and prime Mobius are presumably out there somewhere as well.

If you’re looking at it from the greater MCU sense, a lot of it was exposition for sure (and maybe a bit too much in the finale). But from the standpoint of the primary characters of the series (Loki/Sylvie), I would mostly describe it as a love story told over 6 episodes that ended in crushing heartbreak.

And I guess I just don’t mind cliffhangers as much as most.

Yeah that’s probably the best guess as to where he sent her.

Well, we'll see. This is Loki we're talking about. :D


I guess it's more an expectations thing for me.

WandaVision set the bar so freakin' high, as evidenced by its 23 Emmy Nominations and the hiring of the director for the next Star Trek film, that I probably expected too much from Loki, given the cast and character. I think that had I known that Disney+ planned multiple seasons, my expectations would have been tempered, especially for the finale. That said, I'm fairly certain that this will pass in the coming weeks and months and I'll be fully prepared to watch Season 2 when it's available for streaming.

I think my biggest beef is the cliffhanger. We had close to five hours to set up the series, yet we'll need to wait 18 months to two years to see how it resolves and concludes.

Now I know how the diehard viewers of Better Call Saul feel.

Wandavision was a great show, there’s no doubt. Loki had some very good episodes (episode 2 and particularly episode 4 stand out) for me, but I don’t think I can rank it above WV.

In recent times, the worst example of ending a season on a cliffhanger for me was Jon Snow’s “death” at the end of one of those GoT seasons. If I can accept that, though, I can accept Loki being sent to some parallel universe as the multiverse war begins.

Which, that Season 5 cliffhanger works perfectly fine in the context of season 6.

Can’t say the same about Season 8, though. Sigh…

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Good read on the finale that mostly fits my views of it.

Thinking about how GoT ended these days mostly just pisses me off. Such an absolute waste of great characters and great stories.

The cliffhanger didn't bother me, there was enough smoke around a season 2 that I was expecting a season finale rather than a series finale. And in that context I think it was well done. It wasn't a bullshit bait and switch cliffhanger, all the plot threads and character arcs we had been following through the season were paid off. It's just that the pay off set up more questions.

they can do anything now. Bring back Steve Rodgers, anyone who died etc. obviously the first is all the actors who played Spider-Man’s.

If Loki can be a gator and female, let your imagination run wild on other variants. You can have famous people guest appear as a variant. Take any avenger and make them any possible animal. Doesn’t have to be an earth animal or being. There are no limits anymore. They’d better be good variants because the expectations bar has been set.

Well, I have to say, I didn't really like the opinions of that writer, and especially the Michael Waldron quotes. He seems to be saying the exact opposite of how Time Travel worked in Endgame, so if he's going to rewrite those rules, I just hope that it doesn't cheapen Tony Stark or Natasha's sacrifice or ruin Cap's chance at happiness with Peggy.

That's also the first time that I've heard that What If...could actually be part of the MCU and not just a fun side project.

The Infinity Saga wasn't like Star Wars Episodes 7-9, in which the overwhelming majority of fans would love to see them wiped from canon. Endgame was beloved by most people, including me, which is why it's the largest grossing movie of all time.

And while the writer thought that all of the exposition by Jonathan Majors worked, I felt the opposite. It was a plot device that was necessary because at the time of filming, Season 2 was a pipedream, so the only way to make the series work in 6 episodes was to have all of that exposition so that the viewers would know what's happening. To me, that's really, really poor planning on Marvel's part and a bit of a shock because everything else to date has been so meticulously planned.

It's weird because the entire series seemed to be moving at a snail's pace, then all of the sudden, BOOM!, we find out what's really going on in less than 20 minutes yet we won't won't find out how it concludes for quite some time. The more I think about it, the less I trust these Marvel TV series to do anything other than bridge the gaps between the movies to keep the "consumer" interested.

This is actually beginning to bum me out so I'll stop now. Ugh.

But that also means that what came before is mostly meaningless or could be rendered meaningless.

Agreed. For me, going into this episode, I mainly wanted a resolution of the Loki/Sylvie love story (which we effectively got in Sylvie’s emotional betrayal) and I wanted to know who was actually behind the TVA (which was answered in the first 5 minutes of the episode). Given what we knew going into it about the future MCU films, the explosion of the multiverse was coming and it was just the question of how we got to that point. A damaged Sylvie doing it at the manipulation of Kang/Immortus was an interesting way to accomplish it.

Well that’s a rather cynical way to look at it but probably not entirely inaccurate. I’m not exactly expecting the height of television when I’m watching a MCU series, though, and partially because of exactly what you describe. If it is interesting and entertaining, though, that’s enough for me. I think Loki more than accomplished that as a show in itself while also paving the way for Stage 4 of the MCU.

that’s what they are doing. There is not a single MCU. There are just not one but many multi-verse’s.

My expectations come from several factors including Kevin Feige, the directors hired, the producers, screenwriters, showrunners, cast, composers and maybe most importantly, the budget.

If these shows were given typical network budgets, like those of Agent Carter and Agents of Shield, my expectations would be on par with those programs. But when Marvel is shelling out $150 million or more (not including marketing) for around 5 hours of screen time, my expectations rise accordingly.

And sure, Loki "paved the way" for entry into Phase 4 and Kang, it did so in the most awkward and strange way possible for a production with a $125+ million budget: 20 minutes of exposition by the bad guy.

I'll shut up now. :D

Well, if they end up ****ing over the original Avengers and the Infinity Saga the way Lucasfilm ****ed over Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, stockholders should expect to see Disney's numbers plummet.

I think I also enjoyed the exposition much more than you as well. There was some real tension throughout those scenes among those three and also serious questions about just how much of what he was selling was pure manipulation (and in fact, those questions still persist even now given it seems he both wanted and expected this outcome judging by what he sent Renslayer and when he sent it). The viewer is supposed to be judging him and doubting the veracity of what he is saying just as much as Loki/Sylvie were in those scenes and I enjoyed that ambiguity as well.

I’m sure they realized that mistake and won’t make it again. That’s be a really stupid thing to do. And what does it benefit them?

What was the Avengers to Endgame will remain intact. It will just be one of the multi-verse’s. If they do something different, it’s a different branch and not the MCU canon as people knew before last night.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WARNING - SPOILERS BELOW:<br><br>The opening of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Loki?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Loki</a>&#39;s finale featured the voices of over a dozen <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MCU?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MCU</a> heroes! Full list of characters &amp; quotes: <a href="https://t.co/BRE1nVmYMY">https://t.co/BRE1nVmYMY</a> <a href="https://t.co/B0ZfxkDz2l">pic.twitter.com/B0ZfxkDz2l</a></p>&mdash; MCU - The Direct (@MCU_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1415508391724732420?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hunter K-5E

Loved the finale. I didn’t want to get my hopes up about Kang after Mephisto, so it was a pleasant surprise to get our first glimpse of Majors in the role (although he will obviously be a different varaint(s) going forward).

It was sad to see Loki get his heart broke, but I love where they’ve gone with the character, and I can’t wait to see his story continue.

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Welcome to comic books, and what has probably been my biggest worry about the MCU and how they handle retcons. I imagine when this overall story line for the multiverse is complete, most of the current stars from the previous phases will be out. Either replaced by new characters taking up the mantle (i.e Kate Bishop as Hawkeye), dead, or just ignored for a few years while they focus on F4 and mutant stories and characters. Maybe in 2030 they'll start bringing back some of the original MCU characters through different retcon methods.

Loki sure had a tough episode. Got his heart broken by Sylvie, got sent to a different TVA with (presumably) evil Kang and his pal Mobius doesn’t know who he is.

**** dis AI bitch

I have a lot of mixed feelings after watching the show and reading all of these responses.

I’m glad Loki S2 is confirmed. I was excited for another WandaVision after how it ended and was disappointed to hear there isn’t one. But I’m assuming she/they pop up again?

I didn’t think I’d like post End Game life(I haven’t read the comics), but damn they’ve been crushing it so far and there’s a lot of potential with how both Loki and WandaVision ended to go with the coming movies. Winter Soldier was meh to me. Solid watch but in my opinion nothing compared to these other two.

This is where I’m confused because I thought the TVA was outside of time. How can there be more than 1 TVA?

Had the same thought

My impression was that when Sylvie killed He Who Remains that a multiverse war happened (as He stated it would happen) and that some other version of He (represented by the replaced statuary) was in control of the TVA. Loki remained in the room during the fight and was unaware that the Sacred Timeline was changed, and was unaware that the two people he interacted with changed with the timeline and couldn't have recognized him, as at that point they no longer had gone through the events that he knew of leading up to that point.

I would guess since the TVA exists outside of time, the MCU time travel rules don't apply.

The timeline was shown as branching at the end though. That an MCU hallmark. The idea that nexus events create alternate universes rather than having one time stream that gets reshaped.

I don't think there is. I don't know how to put my thought into words that make it make sense though. It's the same TVA, but there's a different "One Who Remains" running at the way he wants. When Loki went back, Sylvie killed him while Loki was still in the office. When he left the office, that's when the change is noticed (no one seems to know him or tries to stop him). The outside world is probably far different though, depending on what he allowed to have happen based on his experience. Who knows, maybe he's allowing more than one timeline. I guess we'll find out next season. Just my take, but I'm not as well-versed in the comic book world as most of the guys on here. :)

I feel there are infinite TVA's along with the infinite multiverses (or at least a set number of TVA's after the first multiversal war), and the job of the TVA is to keep new multiverses spawning out of "their" specific reality and not adding to the mix, whether they knew that was their job or not. Part of the cease fire agreement between the various Kang's, maybe?

This is how I took it as well. I don't see how there can be multiple TVAs. I struggle to see how that would work. My impression is that another Kang variant went back in time to the beginning of the TVA, and installed themselves as the TVA ruler, and the TVA timeline played out from a fresh start with a different Kang in place of the previous He Who Remains that Sylvie killed. Which created a new Mobius with a new timeline past that never included Loki.

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Michael Waldron is the Showrunner/Executive Producer/Head Writer, which makes the director less important in this type of setup, which is unique to these Marvel TV series.

I would also imagine that Season 2 will take on a different tone so it's likely that different "voice in the room" is probably necessary and welcome change.

That said, this could also be a negotiating ploy.

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So a few questions, is that Immortus or Kang?

At the end we see Mobius looking at the branching timelines twice. First he says “no going back now.” Wouldn’t that imply in that timeline now the branches are planned?

Then he says what does “he” want us to do about all these branches. So again is the “he” the Immortus guy and this he is planning all these branches in that TVA existence?

Yeah, actually both Immmortus and Kang. It's comics complicated. Basically, Kang/He Who Remains/Rama-Tut/Immortus/Mr. Gryphon/etc. are all the same person/entity, just in a different timeline/dimension. In the comics, they don't really even know who is the "Original" entity.

Right, but my understanding is that the TVA exists outside of that (or any) timestream, and is therefore not part of it.

This is verging on speculation on my part, but if the TVA really exists outside of time, then there wouldn't be real linear time there. There would be no before or after. The experience of linear time within the TVA would have to be artificial, or an illusion. And if there isn't really any before, you can change the past, because it's not really the past. Mobius did say time works differently in the TVA.

OK, I get you. In the TVA there would be no branching but rather a more conventional timeline with malleable cause and effect.

https://youtu.be/d07-XCIpBVQ

BUT -

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I think the rules apply. But the Tva zaps them to correct them and creates the variants.

The ending starts the multiverse war. I assume dr strange finds him in another universe and brings him back in spiderman or dr strange movie.

He comes into help later on.

This finale has aged like wine for me. It felt like some of my favorite Q episodes from TNG. Can't wait to see Spider-man in December.

After Loki scored the best series premiere for Disney+ and the Marvel Cinematic Universe over five days with 2.5 million households, Samba TV reported Monday that the trickster’s season finale — Episode 6, “For All Time. Always” — pulled in 1.9 million U.S. households from July 14-18.

That beats both the season finales of Disney+/Marvel’s WandaVision (1.4M U.S. HHs in its first five days) and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (1.7M U.S. HHs).
Loki‘s season finale also repped a five-day high in the UK (300K HHs), Germany (96K HHs) and Australia (12K HHs) for a Disney+/MCU series, outstripping the Season 1 endings of WandaVision (UK 209K, Germany 42K, Australia 7K) and Falcon and the Winter Soldier (UK 254K, Germany 78K, Australia 10K) measured over their respective series.

Samba TV also reports that the Loki season-finale audience skewed younger (54 and younger) and Caucasian (+5%). Of the top 25 largest DMAs in the U.S., Portland, OR over-indexed the most (+44%), followed by Seattle (+18%) and Phoenix (+10%). In the UK, the South East over-indexed the most (+21%), followed by Wales (+12%). And in Germany, Schleswig-Holstein over-indexed the most (+18%), followed by Berlin (+17%) for Loki.

IMO, that's why Spider-Man No Way Home will be a 2 part movie concluding with Sam Raimi's Dr Strange into the Multiverse.

He Who Remains said "See you again soon!" just before Sylvie killed him (which also makes me think he was lying when he said that he didn't know what comes next), so the universe, or multiverse, is on an infinite time loop.

I guess this time will be different...?

I took that to mean that another version of Him would just take his place.

Just watched the entirety of Loki this week. I have to say, my initial reaction is that it's one of my favorite Marvel productions in the last few years, including movies.

If time is a flat circle, everything is destined to repeat, which is what I took from that line.

:D

FYI, Avengers Assembled: Loki is now available for streaming.

It's a nice look at the production, with Tom Hiddleston narrating most of the 64 minute episode.

I don't think it was as insightful as the AA: WandaVision episode but I'd say it's a must for all fans of Loki the character.

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First of all, this show was ****ing awesome. I put off watching it for so long because I was never very interested in Loki as a character, but he was great, as was Owen Wilson as Möbius. I'm mad I took so long to give it a go.

That dude was badass. His conjuring of Asgard was epic.

All of the Loki variants were pretty interesting. The alligator was good for a couple laughs and kid Loki killed his Thor.

Also, I wouldn't doubt if old Loki came back either. He originally said he conjured up a clone of himself so perfect that it tricked Thanos. I wouldn't doubt he just did the same thing to the storm monster.

I believe they said he was "at the end of time" so I believed that he didn't know what would happen next at a certain point. Why live through a million lifetimes trying to do the right thing only to say **** it and yeet reality into the dumpster at the very end?

Time is a weird thing too, though, so you may be right. When he was telling them about himself, he mentioned that he was a scientist from Earth in the year 3,000-something, which obviously hasn't happened yet for our Loki. Yet there he was. So maybe time is a flat circle or maybe it's a river that's already run its course..?

Either way, he seemed to have a good idea what would come next if he was killed. He'd already fought the wars with his alternate selves and presumably culled the herd or somehow held them back. Once he was gone, there'd be nothing to stop them.

Season 2

That trailer was great. I'm looking forward to this and have hopes it'll be good.

Trailer breakdown here, some potential spoilers / speculation, watch at your own risk.

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