They definitely lined up in goal line in a couple super ballsy situations. Like with the Titans on their own 40 or something like that.


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I was reading an article, I think on nfl.com yesterday, that I can't seem to find now. I was comparing games in which Pat throws >40 times per game (generally bad news as the teams tend to be losing when throwing that much) to the rest of the league. The sample size they were using had the field somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-150 win loss record and a massive TD:INT deficiency while Pat had a 3:1 or better (if memory serves) win loss record and a huge TD:INT positive ratio.

I have to expect the article was linked somewhere here but it is a pretty massive difference. Damn it is great having the best football player on the planet!

Edit: Found the link. The stats are about half way down the article.
https://www.nfl.com/news/qb-index-we...t-of-top-three

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The highest passing totals are usually generated when a team is forced to play catch up after falling behind. So high passing totals are usually the RESULT of losing rather than losing being the result of high passing totals. Most teams don't throw the ball 50 times a game but you're going to see this change over the next few years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/xXVSxGPtgC">https://t.co/xXVSxGPtgC</a> editors assess the QB hierarchy heading into Week 13 of the 2020 NFL season. Who overtook Russell Wilson for the No. 3 spot? How far did Cam Newton fall?<a href="https://t.co/Re9Bv9G8ko">https://t.co/Re9Bv9G8ko</a> <a href="https://t.co/mmDlD91GT4">pic.twitter.com/mmDlD91GT4</a></p>&mdash; Around The NFL (@AroundTheNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1334564188161654784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That is obvious. Which in turn leads to more turnovers when being one dimensional. It is just another in the long line of articles about Mahomes changing the game, paradigm shifting what teams are doing. That said, look what happens to the rest of the league on stats in that article when they throw over 40x a game.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are 5 instances of a player with 30 TD passes and fewer than 5 Int thru 11 games in a season in NFL history. 2 of them are this year. <br><br>2020 Mahomes<br>2011, 2014, 2020 Rodgers<br>2007 Brady<br><br>Most years Rodgers would be easy MVP choice. This year he&#39;s got his work cut out for him</p>&mdash; Doug Clawson (@doug_clawson) <a href="https://twitter.com/doug_clawson/status/1334911159619571712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pretty good stuff...

Bhanpuri: For nearly every NFL QB, there's a tipping point when the number of attempts triggers a decline in production. The story has always been that the higher the pass count -- and overall pass-run imbalance -- the more likely something has gone (terribly) wrong for the quarterback (more pressure, hits, turnovers) and the team's overall game plan (run game is failing, defense is struggling, team is losing). And then Patrick Mahomes arrived on set, and, as he does, completely rewrote the script. His production over the past two seasons when throwing 40 or more passes in a game, as he did in Sunday's dismantling of the Bucs' pass defense, is totally absurd:

Patrick Mahomes: 9-2 record (.818) | 67.1% | 373.8 ypg | 8.4 ypa | 30 TD passes | 5 giveaways | 110.9 rating

All other QBs: 59-156-4 (.279) | 63.8% | 312 ypg | 6.9 ypa | 376 TDs | 306 giveaways | 87.0 rating

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Obviously mahomes is my mvp pick but it's hard to make a case against Rodgers either. Don't know how Russell can even be in the running at this point except out of sympathy.

Rodgers will have fewer wins and yards with more interceptions than Mahomes.

I'm surprised Ben Nieman isn't in the conversation! Just sad.

Like the Collinsworth video suggests, the argument that Rodgers has less talent around him seems to be gaining steam. It's all about the narrative and they'll use "less talent" to negate fewer yards and only 2 more picks. Especially with Rodgers throwing around 50 fewer passes and having more TDs.

Unless Rodgers turns in a stinker, Mahomes may need to ball out, get 5000 yards or take the TD lead, and make sure they stay at one loss. If it stays reasonably close I think they'll give it to Rogers at this point.

Rodgers has a much better oline than Patrick has.

I had been meaning to post something along these very same lines for about a week now. If it's close, it's going to go to Rodgers.

Adams is for all intents and purposes equal to tyreek.
Jones is greater than ceh. (At this point in careers)
Lazard is a downgrade from Watkins but not terribly so.
MVS is at least equal to Hardman.
So the only real big drop off in talent is at te. And it is a big deal to have someone like Kelce instead of tonyan.

Arguing that Rodgers has less talent around him is disingenuous. One could argue they have a better defense, at least statistically, and that in combination with their arguably stronger offensive line allows them to run the ball more, and more effectively. More balance means more options for Rodgers behind center.

(I wouldn't actually make this argument, I'm just acknowledging that it could be made)

He does, but all the "Rodgers has less talent" people want to talk about is that he doesn't have a duo like Kelce and Tyreek.

Rodgers already had bad games. Mahomes hasn't. Easier schedule and less wins.

I know of only one reporter who over explains all the great players from the Chiefs having to do with why Patrick is so go good and that would be Stephen A Smith... ohhh and Skip Bayless.

Again, my vote is clearly for mahomes. But this isn't like mahomes brees a few years ago, or mahomes Russell Wilson where the argument is just nonsense. Unlike those guys Rodgers is having a clear mvp season if not for mahomes.

True. Far too many people think the MVP needs to go to the best QB in the league..

But if they would just examine Nieman's entire body of work....

Yeah, well...congrats Rodgers.

Go **** yourself.

lol shut up idiot

Mahomes was ahead of Rodgers significantly going into this game, despite what some pundits may tell you.

Now it’s just close again. MVP is officially up for grabs between Pat & Aaron these last 3 weeks.

The MVP trophy, presented to you by State Farm.

You lot can't read sarcasm for shit lol.




Mahomes is still the favorite because of team record. Chiefs have a strong chance of going 15-1 and if that happens he's a shoe in.


If Andy didn't waste so many 2nd half possessions by running the ball on every first down Mahomes would probably have more TDs, but alas. Rodgers is likely to finish with a notable TD lead.

If Rodgers is still in it after throwing pick sixes and getting BLOWN OUT by the Bucs, then Mahomes is absolutely still in it after a 3 pick day where he also got almost 400 yards and 2 TDs and ****in won.

If Mahomes plays well against the Saints next week on the national stage, his flukey INTs this week will be quickly forgotten.

Rodgers will win now unless his TDs take a dive

I mentioned he was throwing it all away in GDChat. Didn't go over well.

was not an MVP day today

thanks for clarifying that you're not actually an idiot

Unless Rodgers has another really bad game I think he's ahead right now and will win if they both play well the rest of the season.

And he just threw a 50 yard TD...

If Mahomes finishes with 40+ TDs, 6-7 int. and 5000 yards, the only person who has a shot is Rodgers...If Rodgers continues to play at his pace and doesn't have a bad game, he will probably win it, and probably should. One caveat, if Mahomes just kills the Saints next week with 400 and 5 or something, he will erase all doubts.

Conspiracy theory: If it's close enough, State Farm will pull some strings and ensure co-MVPs

Rodgers now has a huge advantage for the MVP. They are going to need to lose again with Rodgers being a reason for it for Mahomes to have a chance.

Unfortunately voters look at stats more than total body of work. Rodgers leads the league in TDs and fewest INTs. Sadly that doesn't bode well for Mahomes even if he has had fewer poor games and more wins than Rodgers.

This was Mahomes “worst” game and he still led his team to a victory.

Aaron Rodgers was a dumpster fire in their loss to the Bucs (a defense that Mahomes carved up).

Rodgers threw an incomplete pass- he just lost the MVP!!!

**** the MVP race. Let's go win another Super Bowl.

Early season won't matter in the eyes of the voters. But I am curious to see what happens in the playoffs. Mahomes might get a chance to show everyone who the real MVP is in a Super Bowl against Rodgers.

Mahomes needs to stop throwing tipped passes!!

The O Line was complete dogshit today- yet Mahomes puts up close to 400 yards against a good defense on the road.

Rodgers gets to play the Lions again.

Is shit oline play and tipped passes figured into the MVP algorithm?

I want Patrick to win the MVP award as much as others do but, having that motivation (if he isn't chosen) seems to provide extra incentive. And we know how be responds!

Took a hit today.

He didn't get it last year.

There is no doubt that Rodgers has a better line.

I really don't care about any of this. It won't bother me at all if Rodgers wins MVP at the level he's playing at (unlike last year when a gimmick "QB" won it) and Mahomes will win plenty of these throughout his career regardless.

All that matters is the playoffs (and to a lesser extent, the bye) right now.

I wouldn't blame those calling it out as idiotic, I'd blame the GDT chicken littles who seriously say that shit every game and most likely believe it.

Those mistakenly calling you an idiot are just acknowledging people exist who can apparently only process what's happening right now or still have severe pre-Mahomes PTSD or got dropped too many times as a kid or something else that leads them to such ridiculous conclusions.

MVP is great, but SBLV would be better even if he doesn't.

Yeah, he went out and won SUPERBOWL MVP.

So? Do you know one sane person who does not think Mahomes is the best QB in the league, including this year?

It's just a regular season award so the postseason shouldn't factor in

You may have misunderstood his post.

12-1.

You would think so. But time of performance seems to matter.

Mahomes will likely clinch a bye and will probably hit 5000. 5000 will make him very tough to beat in an mvp race.

I am hoping you are right. 5,000 yards, #1 seed and possibly a 15-1 record should justify MVP.

I'm fully aware of that. My point is if they snub Mahomes, he will have a chance to show everyone who the real MVP is in the Super Bowl. Similar to Jordan against Barkley/Malone or Olajuwon against Robinson, etc.

The MVP has lost in the playoffs every years since 99, so I would be ok with him being able to use it as extra motivation in the playoffs.

Saints loss gives Green Bay the bye, giving Rodgers a boost to his MVP case.

The only less-than-stellar game in his professional career, hardly a huge hit to his reputation.

I don't know man. I moved him down to 12th on my qb rankings after today.

There are so many people that are just itching to say, “see he isn’t that great” so any bad pass or decision they just jump on. Patriots fans are especially bad about it.

Without Kelce and Hill he’s basically Aaron Brooks

The hot takes about him on social media are unbearable.

People DESPERATELY want to see him fail. Every not perfect thing he does is the worst thing in the world.

Every time he has a less than otherworldly game I have to stay off Twitter because it just pisses me off.

Comes with the territory.

We were doing the exact same thing with Manning and Brady.

Staying off twitter makes you smarter. I suggest more of that.

I think after today it's Aaron Rodgers' award to lose. I don't see the Panthers, Titans or Bears giving him much trouble. Whereas Patrick struggles with LAC, and the Saints are very good on defense.

I desperately wanted Tom Brady to get sacked so hard that it shattered his dick.

That's what human beings do. We put them up on a pedestal and then try to kick the pedestal out from under them. :shrug:

It's changed to the steelers. Their trolls have been in full force because they're hurt that the media hasn't crowned them yet

Rodgers been sacked for a loss of 30 yet?

Hell, Chief Fan was saying similar garbage in the game thread today.

And he still threw for almost 400 yards.

There's a difference between criticizing him for a bad mistake during a single game compared to saying the dude is just an average QB and is totally propped up by weapons/Reid. That hot take is absolutely out there from jealous fans of other teams.

Stop drunk posting.

Mahomes is not the over whelming MVP. Aaron is ahead of him now.

I'm not, Bob. **** off, man. All of you with this shit.

Mahomes just needs to play well against the Saints on the way to a 15-1 season. It will be very hard to deny him MVP in that scenario.