I don't see how this team gets above three. UConn and Idaho are the only games they might have a chance to win, and that's if the team doesn't quit on Odom, which looks like it's happening.

If I had to bet, I'd say 3-9, but I wouldn't be stunned by 1-11, either.

Yeah, only the donors didn't quit donating, Mizzou had its biggest year of athletic donations ever the next year, and regular students don't suit up for the football team.

But continue on with your awesome narrative.

That INT summarizes things quite well.

MU tried to polish the turd a bit here.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/ba682...09390b55c.html

Missouri was only a 7 point underdog...easy money.

Yeah. He sucks.

Why did they add seats?

To really highlight how much Odom sucks with new extra empty seats?

They didn't. Renovations are lowering total capacity.

The SEC is ****ing garbage this year and we're the most garbage team of the garbage. **** you Barry Odom.

Missouri was not ready for life after Pinkel, much less life after Pinkel starting way sooner than they anticipated with his health reasons forcing him into retirement. Bringing Odom on as coach is akin to Pioli bringing on Crennel, with both results mirroring each other.

Pinkel did not help things out by leaving the team with a deficient level of talent. And while I'm appreciative of the fact that he was a good coach and decidedly better than his predecessors or successor, he also almost never beat teams that he wasn't supposed to (save OU in '10).

Our successful years with Pinkel were traveled on a road paved smooth due to shitty divisions.

Glad I didn't waste a minute of my time watching this giant dookie being squeezed out in the middle of Far Out Field.

I have a ticket to the Auburn Game. Think we'll be getting back to KC early that night...

Yeah, lots of truth in there.

Yeah, Gabbert was just the awesome.....

I don't think Pinkel intended to leave the program in the shape he did when he finally left. Cancer sucks.

He did a lot of good for the program. Were there warts? Sure, absolutely. Think the heat of the moment is making us super critical lol

I think the only watchable Mizzou game left may be the Idaho game. I think they got a shot in that one. For a second I thought maybe UConn also, but I think UConn is somewhat respectable so probably a step or two above Mizzous level.

Who will Barry fire next?

Tackling coach

Mizzou was awful before Pinkel and they're awful now.

That fanbase should be on their hands and knees begging for him to come back.

J'Mon Moore needs to be Stephon Hannah'ed in the street.

What a disaster.

He has to go. I was optimistic Odom would put together a top-notch staff and could be a real success - his work ethic and fresh take were things I thought could energize the staff and lead to some nice results.

It hasn't worked out that way at all.

With the South Endzone project looming and the team staring down the barrel of potentially tanking ticket sales and attendance, Sterk will have to make a move.

Giving him Year 3 just to be nice and "fair" would be a gigantic mistake, as you'd be basing Year 3 improvements entirely on hopes and dreams.

Hopefully Sterk's football coaches list is fresh and ready to go.

Personally, I would be looking at:
Kyle Whittingham (won't leave Utah but you make him say that)

Mike Leach (his success at Wazzou is impressive, and I think he'd relish the opportunity to win in the SEC. ceiling at Mizzou would be higher).

Frank Wilson (UT-San Antonio - young and successful, was a premium recruiter as an assistant in SEC and in Texas, succeeding as HC at a tough spot)

Mike Bobo (longtime Georgia OC under Richt, from Georgia, strong recruiter, having a good run at Colorado State)

Blake Anderson (Arkansas State, latest in a line of good coaches at that school).

There are some other names out there to think about - Dave Doeren at NC State, Mike Norvell at Memphis, and maybe even Jeff Brohm.

Head coaching experience and success is a must.


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Oh, and I'll still say this: Odom was not an extreme backup plan for Rhoads. Other than Tom Herman, he was Rhoads' top guy on the board.

In news that doesn't surprise anyone based on things that have transpired with Rhoads since, that was a bad call.

It will be interesting to see if Sterk's respect and success as a AD carries as weight much in football circles as it did in hoops.


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Any one of those names sounds good....just so long as none of them are alumni hires. We have seen the lack of success in doing that with the major sports.

CF2017

It's great if they're qualified. Kermit was not. Odom has better qualifications (and would be the HC at Memphis had he not gotten the Missouri job).

When they're not qualified, it's a disaster. Especially when a contingent of the fan base is emotionally attached to alumni.


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Wrong.

Get the most qualified coach available. Period. If that's an alumni, hire him. If it's an Alaskan fisherman, hire him

Odom and Kim were terrible because they are awful, unqualified coaches. Not because they are alumni

Why didn't Chip Kelly or Scott Frost make your list?

Because Kelly at least isn't a realistic target for Mizzou.

I assume Frost will stay put until you all fire Reilly after next year, waiting for that job.


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Sorry.....we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

Too many times it is like duncan referred to, an emotional attachment that clouds the judgement of those making the decision.

Odom brought DeMontie Cross (an old teammate and alumni, there's that word again) with him which spelled his doom.

And FTR....sometimes even the most qualified coach available can't turn around programs. It's a crap shoot and somehow you have to get lucky and find that diamond in the rough.

Leach probably isn't leaving Wazzu, the correct spelling, anytime soon. He fits in with the culture there and he hates having to deal with boosters which Wazzu doesn't have very demanding ones.

Pretty good list.

I would add Mike MacIntyre from Colorado, Greg Schiano (might be a stretch, but did make shit program Rutgers competitive) and Lane Kiffin (a lot of baggage, but can recruit surprisingly well and has experience. Will want out of FAU asap).

I don't give a shit if the coach has baggage if they can win.

Shouldn't we always look for the most qualified coach, whether or not he is an alumni?

I didn't see the game but it looked very disappointing. Sorry guys. I always root for them.

Kiffin has failed miserably at Tennessee and USC. He needs to show more than a few years of success coordinating Alabama and a single season at FAU before I think he's worth taking a shot on.

Schiano would be ok, I guess. I'm not a huge fan. The Big East was incredibly weak while he was there, and they were still second tier to West Virginia (whose coach has failed elsewhere, too).

Don't know much about Macintyre, but if he can win there, and would come, that would be a plus.


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"two SEC wins (SC @ home and @Vandy)."


At least you had the courage to make a prediction....

I'm not going to disagree to some extent....but the reality is that too many times Alumni are under greater pressure to win and also get more leeway than someone who isn't an Alumni.

That combination is not normally an equation for success.

The appeal with Kiffin is the recruiting and you only make the move if he can guarantee good coordinators.

Schiano won at Rutgers. ****ing Rutgers. Who gives a ****ing shit about Rutgers ever? Winning there at all is impressive.

They aren't my top choices, but we will need to go a little lefr field if we make the switch this year....and absolutely should.

Greg Schiano is an epic piece of shit with deep Pioli connections. I'd rather Bobbitize myself and then jump out of a window into a pool of acid whose bottom was filled with punji sticks.

Oh god, I forgot about the Pioli connection.

86 that shit

MU and their fans want no part of Schiano....

KU scored more yesterday than Neb, KSU, and Mizzou. Combined.


Considering how bad we suck ass, that's saying something

Against the worst opponent by a wide margin.

Recruiting to Tennessee or USC is not recruiting to Missouri, though. And he was a disaster at both of those places despite having better talent than he's going to be able to get at Mizzou. Even if he could consistently land top 20-25 classes at Mizzou, how is he going to do better with that than he did with top recruiting at tenn and USC?

Schiano's success at Rutgers is not that impressive. Yes, they were terrible before he got there, but the big east was weaker in that timeframe than the bigb12 north. Just not impressed.

I would be fine with Schiano, but do t think that would be a realHR hire.


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I'm not saying any of those dudes would be homeruns.

They are going to have some issues getting a higher end guy that has HC experience, with all the SEC teams that will be looking in a year.

Petrino would make a lot of sense if it weren't for the baggage, buyout and unknown that he would stick around.

Not a lot of names seem ideal. Bobo will be a hot commodity this winter.

I'm going to be permanently drunk if they do something stupid like Les Miles.

Sadly, a lot of truth to that second statement. :facepalm:

Here's the thing about college coaches. Almost all of them are absolute ****ing scum, which works to your advantage if you want to get one, because all you really have to do is dangle enough money. With that said, there are degrees of scumbaggery, and I would rather the program self-impose a death penalty than ever hire that mother****er Bobby Petrino.

Les miles

If he couldn't get shit done at LSU, he's damn sure not going to get it done in CoMo.

Odom failing ****s this program with a telephone pole.

As an alum and a young coach, if he succeeded he could have elevated this job into a destination job for several years thereafter. There was a time when FSU, Florida and LSU were not especially great jobs, and there was a time when Colorado, Nebraska, and Miami were. If he had been ready, he could have done for Missouri what Mike Gundy did for OSU, and like Gundy, we wouldn't have worried about him leaving.

Couple that with '18 being the biggest year of in-state talent in a generation, and this is an epic shitstorm that can only be described in one phrase:

Because Mizzou.

Jake Spavital, WV's offensive coordinator, is going to be a big time head coach soon.

My general rules:

No retreads who were fired from a blue blood school (Notre Dame, LSU, Texas).

No assistant coaches who haven't been a head coach.

No NFL coaches without college experience.


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You wouldn't take what he did at LSU at MU?

LSU won that natty in spite of Les Miles. He's a real bad coach without that Louisiana talent pipeline they had first dibs on.

Butch Davis could be a possibility.

Similar to basketball,I think The next coach at May may not be the guy that actually gets it over the top, but they need to get back to respectability

I don't disagree with getting back to respectability being a logical goal. I just think you can do better than Les Miles to get there.

I was just throwing a name out. I'm not sure you can go with another potential up and comer at this point

This Wilson guy from UTSA interests me.

The problem is that it isn't logical to believe he could get his LSU results at Mizzou.

If those were his results with a cakewalk to a top 10 recruiting class every year, drop 2-3 wins a year from it with a lesser class. And maybe a lot more.

That's the problem with all these guys who were at blue bloods before. They may recruit better at Mizzou than Odom - wouldn't be hard - but they aren't going to recruit at the same level. And considering they were mostly let go for failing to meet expectations... it's hard to believe they will now.


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I think it comes down to what expectations are. I mean, I'd think expectations s at MU currently and what they were, for example, at LSU when miles were there would be a bit different?

That's pretty much my only rule right now and Odom is the reason why.

There's no explanation for him being this bad apart from raw inexperience. The guy works hard, is smart and is not the kind of erratic red-ass that kids hate.

But he's missing something and the hell if I know what it might be. Give him 3-5 years at Memphis and he's probably a perfect hire.

But we can't risk another assistant that checks off a lot of boxes but just doesn't seem to know how to run a program. Ugh...this really, really sucks though. This is/was such a big year for the program and it's clear they're going to eat a whole lot of shit.

No, Sagarin's predictor has a hypothetical matchup: Mizzou -5

I think Miles is a 5-6 win coach at Missouri unless he finds a way to land top 10- 15 classes at Mizzou.

Maybe that's good enough to stabilize things and bridge to the next guy. And maybe that's what Mizzou has to do right now.

But if you could go out and get Jay Norvell from Memphis or Frank Wilson, etc, I think you accomplish the stabilization with upside on the other end of it.


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Year too late because Minnesota got the coach that would have been perfect for Mizzou.

My picks today:

Auburn vs Missouri: the Tigers
Miss St vs Georgia: the Bulldogs

Auburn is going to steamroll this horribly coached team.

Anybody at the game today?

Greg Schiano do anything for anyone....?

Not advocating for him, just curious what everyone thinks...

I think Mizzou will have a decent showing today.

If Mizzou wants to go the retread route, they should angle for Mack Brown.

We discussed this awhile back. I do think he'll be in high demand.

Tickets available 2 dollars http://www.espn.com/college-football...issouri-tigers

That's about $3 more than I'd pay to watch those clowns.

That whole program needs an enema.

We should send CS1950 a thank you note.

That's so Mizzou.

That much?

Not sure how his loud mouth would fit in. Purdues coach is a bad ass though.

Calling this defense Swiss cheese would be an insult to cheese....

Terry Beckner Jr- Program changer

(Just like DGB)

How about that. Some life.