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Hammock Parties 09-21-2017 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 13094437)
He has to dump his cargo at some point to piss off Jabba.

As I said, it wouldn't fit in the timeline. He's supposed to have done that briefly before ANH, hence Jabba demanding he pay him back during the movie.

DaneMcCloud 09-21-2017 11:38 AM

It doesn't matter if the movie is based off of a few lines from the OT. If it's done well, it will be extremely enjoyable.

I hadn't thought of the Jabba aspect but it makes more sense for Han to be an ally of Jabba's in this film, rather than someone that's drawn his ire. Of course, this likely means more Tatooine (blech) but as long as it's entertaining, I'm good with it.

I don't expect this film to be dark, whatsoever. It should be uplifting, witty, fun and basically, the opposite of Rogue One.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-21-2017 07:39 PM

Han generally lightens the mood wherever he goes( sans getting killed by emo-puke in VII ), so I fully expect this movie to be very adventurous and gregarious.

Good time Han is back.

Hammock Parties 09-21-2017 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13094828)
It doesn't matter if the movie is based off of a few lines from the OT. If it's done well, it will be extremely enjoyable.

I hadn't thought of the Jabba aspect but it makes more sense for Han to be an ally of Jabba's in this film, rather than someone that's drawn his ire. Of course, this likely means more Tatooine (blech) but as long as it's entertaining, I'm good with it.

I don't expect this film to be dark, whatsoever. It should be uplifting, witty, fun and basically, the opposite of Rogue One.

I actually don't think there's going to be any room for Tatooine, or if there is it will be very minor and tacked on at the end. They could actually EASILY replace it with Nal Hutta or Nar Shaddaa.

If the film follows my plot, here are the potential locations we'll visit:

Carida/Imperial Academy
Kashyyyk/Imperial Prison World
Corellia/Coruscant/Wherever the gambling takes place
Kessel/Formos (this is supposed to be the start/finish of the Kessel run)

Then if you really want to have a scene at the end with Jabba, you can put it on Nal Hutta or Nar Shadaa, which have been locations we've only seen in comics and video games.

Or hell, Jabba has a starship. Put him on that.

Hammock Parties 09-21-2017 07:52 PM

Oh hell, this would be fun.

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Han Solo, as he was beginning his career as a pilot, once flew the Star Jewel. He once had to fend off a pirate attack on the vessel using his expert piloting skills.[2]

Simply Red 09-21-2017 11:12 PM

Greedo be in it?

RINGLEADER 09-22-2017 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13094828)
It doesn't matter if the movie is based off of a few lines from the OT. If it's done well, it will be extremely enjoyable.

I hadn't thought of the Jabba aspect but it makes more sense for Han to be an ally of Jabba's in this film, rather than someone that's drawn his ire. Of course, this likely means more Tatooine (blech) but as long as it's entertaining, I'm good with it.

I don't expect this film to be dark, whatsoever. It should be uplifting, witty, fun and basically, the opposite of Rogue One.

We could also get some much-needed back-story on Jabba's wife...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads...a_the_hutt.jpg

DaneMcCloud 09-23-2017 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 13097159)
We could also get some much-needed back-story on Jabba's wife...

LMAO

DaneMcCloud 09-23-2017 11:10 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKZw-bVWkAE2fy_.jpg:large

DaneMcCloud 09-23-2017 11:13 AM

That looks like a certain someone to me...

Hammock Parties 09-23-2017 11:35 AM

Too short to be Vader.

DaneMcCloud 09-23-2017 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13097437)
Too short to be Vader.

The helmet shape and cape look correct but the angle is weird.

Also, if that's a Death Trooper, he's taller than Vader.

Hammock Parties 09-23-2017 11:54 AM

The helmet actually doesn't look correct at all. The bottom part is all slanty.

That's not Vader.

It looks more like one of these helmets, but it's not quite the same. Guessing that's completely new kind of trooper/imperial.

http://www.starwarshelmets.com/2009/...-guard-006.jpg

DaneMcCloud 10-17-2017 11:03 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Twitterville?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Twitterville</a> we just wrapped production so here&#39;s a special message <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StarWars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StarWars</a> <a href="https://t.co/8QJqN5BGxr">pic.twitter.com/8QJqN5BGxr</a></p>&mdash; Ron Howard (@RealRonHoward) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward/status/920320502320771073?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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DaneMcCloud 10-17-2017 11:05 AM

What I've found interesting is that since Ron Howard has taken over the Director's chair and shown what, a dozen or more pics from the set, not one has included Alden Ehrenreich.

:hmmm:

Chiefspants 10-17-2017 11:30 AM

Anteresting...

https://68.media.tumblr.com/3a757e0a...oAh1sm44gt.jpg

Hammock Parties 10-19-2017 11:53 AM

Ron Howard is fun.

Perfect guy to direct this.

Hammock Parties 12-22-2017 01:16 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...n_solo_teaser/

Not much, but here’s a rundown of what l caught a glimpse of. There’s more obviously but this was the big stuff.

Han walking, angle only shows his holstered blaster
Wookiees getting transferred somewhere. Planet looked new, never seen it before
Shot from behind of Han approaching a large crowd surrounding a table or something
Close up of Han’s dice
There’s like one shot of Woody’s character, but it was in a dark alley area and he looked paranoid
Han doing his “Yehoo!” yell and the Falcon going through light speed
Chewbacca roaring and running next to Han
Somebody says “it’s not worth the risk”, pretty sure Lando says it
There is a cut-to-black and somebody says “l’ll make him pay” and there’s a huge long rifle on a table with some armor piece next to it
Didn’t see much of GoT chick’s character. There’s a “This Summer” title card that shows right after a glimpse of a handful of stormtroopers walking down an alley.

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There is a cut-to-black and somebody says “l’ll make him pay” and there’s a huge long rifle on a table with some armor piece next to it
BOBA ****ING FETT

DaneMcCloud 12-22-2017 01:19 PM

Paul Bettany has said that Solo is a gangster movie

bowener 12-22-2017 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13302024)
Paul Bettany has said that Solo is a gangster movie

**** yes. Solo, space gangsta, spraying bitches with his laser gat. This has given me hope for something unique and new.

temper11 12-22-2017 02:14 PM

We're almost certain to see the Kessel Run right? All in agreement here?

bowener 12-24-2017 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13302132)
We're almost certain to see the Kessel Run right? All in agreement here?

With all the reshoots and how little we've heard about Han, I'm beginning to think the movie title is a pun, and Lando will be the star that does whatever it is that gets done in this movie... solo. And yes, we will see the Kessel run.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-24-2017 07:25 PM

ALL IN.

DaneMcCloud 12-24-2017 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 13306892)
With all the reshoots and how little we've heard about Han, I'm beginning to think the movie title is a pun, and Lando will be the star that does whatever it is that gets done in this movie... solo. And yes, we will see the Kessel run.

The entire film was a Page One Re-shoot and scenes were added that weren't in the original script

BleedingRed 12-24-2017 09:58 PM

Oh god I hope they went with a more rouge one type story that's compelling

DaneMcCloud 12-24-2017 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 13307107)
Oh god I hope they went with a more rouge one type story that's compelling


Larry Lasdan wrote the script and additional scenes were added after viewing Ron Howard’s dailies.

Bowser 12-24-2017 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13307116)
Larry Lasdan wrote the script and additional scenes were added after viewing Ron Howard’s dailies.

That's good, right?

DaneMcCloud 12-24-2017 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13307118)
That's good, right?

Kasdan knows the Han Solo character better than anyone and I talked to a Lucasfilm employee yesterday that said Ron Howard was amazing and really brought out great performances.

I haven’t heard confirmation about the exact additions but the additional scenes are said to be like the additions to Rogue One.

Spoiler!

okcchief 12-24-2017 11:18 PM

http://www.screengeek.net/2017/12/24...p...y-to-bomb/

I don’t know if this is reputable or not. I do have concerns that they fired the original director and brought Howard into save it. Also, it’s extremely hard to recreate an iconic character like that. I 100% hope they nail it.


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DaneMcCloud 12-24-2017 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 13307196)
http://www.screengeek.net/2017/12/24...p...y-to-bomb/

I don’t know if this is reputable or not. I do have concerns that they fired the original director and brought Howard into save it. Also, it’s extremely hard to recreate an iconic character like that. I 100% hope they nail it.


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Link doesn’t work.

mnchiefsguy 12-24-2017 11:39 PM

I think it is just a general media freak out. There has been no trailer or marketing yet...just a poster with the word SOLO on it.

With nothing out there, folks imaginations are running wild.....

unlurking 12-25-2017 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 13306892)
With all the reshoots and how little we've heard about Han, I'm beginning to think the movie title is a pun, and Lando will be the star that does whatever it is that gets done in this movie... solo. And yes, we will see the Kessel run.

The ship made the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs according to ANH, do we have any confirmation of the pilot? Maybe it was Lando and not Han?

DaneMcCloud 12-25-2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 13307196)
http://www.screengeek.net/2017/12/24...p...y-to-bomb/

I don’t know if this is reputable or not. I do have concerns that they fired the original director and brought Howard into save it. Also, it’s extremely hard to recreate an iconic character like that. I 100% hope they nail it.


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There is absolutely no new information in that article. I laid out the entire scenario back in late June/early July and nothing has changed, other than additional scenes and TLJ’s reactions.

It might be wise for Lucasfilm to start tempering their expectations based on the reaction to TLJ. Rogue One seems to have blown them way out of propoertion.

Solo could have the best story, direction and VFX of any Star Wars film ever but if Alden Ehrenreich sucks, the film will crash and burn.

Chiefspants 12-25-2017 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13307553)
There is absolutely no new information in that article. I laid out the entire scenario back in late June/early July and nothing has changed, other than additional scenes and TLJ’s reactions.

It might be wise for Lucasfilm to start tempering their expectations based on the reaction to TLJ. Rogue One seems to have blown them way out of propoertion.

Solo could have the best story, direction and VFX of any Star Wars film ever but if Alden Ehrenreich sucks, the film will crash and burn.

It’s also worth pointing out that there was a lot of this type of speculation/rumors about Rogue One’s reshoots - and I think most will agree that those turned out okay.

Really, we won’t know how it all turns out until we see Howard’s vision on the big screen.

Hammock Parties 12-26-2017 08:50 PM

Lando playing Sabacc.

https://i.redd.it/y0kiwnvdjb601.jpg

Empire sneak peek. White/blue Falcon?

https://i.imgur.com/JevG0g4.jpg

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-26-2017 09:37 PM

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

Can't wait to see the principles of that game finally committed to film.

okcchief 12-27-2017 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13307553)
There is absolutely no new information in that article. I laid out the entire scenario back in late June/early July and nothing has changed, other than additional scenes and TLJ’s reactions.



It might be wise for Lucasfilm to start tempering their expectations based on the reaction to TLJ. Rogue One seems to have blown them way out of propoertion.



Solo could have the best story, direction and VFX of any Star Wars film ever but if Alden Ehrenreich sucks, the film will crash and burn.



First I had seen of it.

Yeah, that’s my concern with this one. I just don’t see Ehrenreich capturing the character, and if that doesn’t happen they are ****ed regardless. I hope I’m wrong. Because there has been no teaser and we are 5 months away I’m concerned lol


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Rausch 12-27-2017 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13307553)
There is absolutely no new information in that article. I laid out the entire scenario back in late June/early July and nothing has changed, other than additional scenes and TLJ’s reactions.

It might be wise for Lucasfilm to start tempering their expectations based on the reaction to TLJ. Rogue One seems to have blown them way out of propoertion.

Solo could have the best story, direction and VFX of any Star Wars film ever but if Alden Ehrenreich sucks, the film will crash and burn.

I'm not the least excited for this and don't plan on watching it.

As I said in the other thread the only "prequel" idea I actually like would be a McGregor/Kenobi film. I may be in the minority but I like Han's origins being a mystery...

DaneMcCloud 12-27-2017 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 13309957)
First I had seen of it.

Yeah, that’s my concern with this one. I just don’t see Ehrenreich capturing the character, and if that doesn’t happen they are ****ed regardless. I hope I’m wrong. Because there has been no teaser and we are 5 months away I’m concerned lol


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There’s no teaser trailer because filming didn’t end until late September and one pass hasn’t been completed yet.

A trailer won’t be released until there’s a solid rough edit completed because if they hand over footage to be cut into a trailer and some of that footage doesn’t appear in the film (ala Rogue One) they’ll face a backlash, which is something they don’t need at this point.

mnchiefsguy 12-27-2017 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13310349)
There’s no teaser trailer because filming didn’t end until late September and one pass hasn’t been completed yet.

A trailer won’t be released until there’s a solid rough edit completed because if they hand over footage to be cut into a trailer and some of that footage doesn’t appear in the film (ala Rogue One) they’ll face a backlash, which is something they don’t need at this point.

In addition, Lucasfilm only promotes one Star Wars film at a time. Rogue One had no trailer at this time in 2016 because the focus was still on TFA. There was no TLJ trailer at this time last year because the focus was R1.

I would expect the Solo marketing push to begin mid-January once the TLJ has run its course in theatres...the marketing needs to start earlier than R1 or TLJ due to the May release date.

Hammock Parties 12-27-2017 04:02 PM

https://i.redd.it/g4uahr5tzh601.jpg

Deberg_1990 12-27-2017 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13310349)
There’s no teaser trailer because filming didn’t end until late September and one pass hasn’t been completed yet.

A trailer won’t be released until there’s a solid rough edit completed because if they hand over footage to be cut into a trailer and some of that footage doesn’t appear in the film (ala Rogue One) they’ll face a backlash, which is something they don’t need at this point.

Any chance it gets pushed to December 2018?

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-28-2017 01:14 AM

The fact that Shrike has made it in to this movie tells me that many people, though working for Disney as well as LFL, have spent a GREAT deal of time in the old EU, and are bringing much material from that source to the new mission.

Excellent.

Hammock Parties 12-28-2017 01:19 AM

Should I read Paradise Snare before I see this movie?

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-28-2017 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13312098)
Should I read Paradise Snare before I see this movie?

Not really necessary, but a great trilogy.

Hammock Parties 12-29-2017 05:21 PM

Yup.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ36GdEX0AEkvNu.jpg:large

https://i.redd.it/mf5uo4zqkr601.png

https://media.tmz.com/2017/07/07/070...1080x608-1.jpg

DaneMcCloud 12-29-2017 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13311828)
Any chance it gets pushed to December 2018?

I suppose it’s possible but Disney has Mary Poppins Returns set for Christmas Day 2018 so it would likely need to be moved.

Wreck It Ralph 2is set for late November so there’s not much room for all three.

Hammock Parties 12-31-2017 09:18 AM

Powell is amazing. This might actually have a better score than TFA or TLJ.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/john-william...r-w-1821668767

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John Williams, the famed film composer who has scored all eight mainline Star Wars films will return to write the main theme for the upcoming Han Solo movie, Variety reported today. He will be joining composer John Powell (Chicken Run, How to Train Your Dragon), who will be writing the rest of the film’s music.
Also, there's an interesting note in the casting page. The film features "mud troopers."

Hammock Parties 01-01-2018 09:41 PM

Teaser dropping 1/7 during halftime of one of the wildcard games.

Hammock Parties 01-02-2018 11:22 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSd5NsWXkAAFDvM.jpg:large

Rausch 01-03-2018 01:44 PM

I can't wait to hear how what we thought was wrong.

He was completely different.

Which will add nothing to anything and just further ruin what we loved once...

sedated 01-03-2018 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 13328129)
I can't wait to hear how what we thought was wrong.

He was completely different.

Which will add nothing to anything and just further ruin what we loved once...

This is all the internet has become - grown men whining about petty crap.

DJ's left nut 01-03-2018 04:56 PM

Spoiler: His life sucks and his emo son kills him.

Hammock Parties 01-03-2018 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 13328586)
This is all the internet has become - grown men whining about petty crap.

Now I know how people feel about me and Alex Smith....

Jesus.

Sassy Squatch 01-03-2018 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13328868)
Now I know how people feel about me and Alex Smith....

Jesus.

LMAO

listopencil 01-04-2018 01:00 AM

They have a chance to spark off a series of sequels if they can make a Han Solo or Obi Wan Kenobi movie that's as good as Rogue One. Wouldn't take much to blow away the new main story line trilogy.

temper11 01-04-2018 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13328868)
Now I know how people feel about me and Alex Smith....

Jesus.

yep.

DaneMcCloud 01-04-2018 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 13329701)
They have a chance to spark off a series of sequels if they can make a Han Solo or Obi Wan Kenobi movie that's as good as Rogue One. Wouldn't take much to blow away the new main story line trilogy.

You don't like the story line in the new trilogy? Why not?

1. Han and Leia are divorced after having a child that emulates Darth Vader.
2. Luke Skywalker is all alone and blames himself after said child kills all of his new Jedi.
3. Said child kills Han Solo
4. Said child kills the "New" Emperor and takes his place
5. Luke Skywalker essentially commits suicide protecting 20 people left from the New Republic and Rebellion/Resistance, including his sister (who dies shortly thereafter).


What's not to like?

listopencil 01-04-2018 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13330231)
You don't like the story line in the new trilogy? Why not?

1. Han and Leia are divorced after having a child that emulates Darth Vader.
2. Luke Skywalker is all alone and blames himself after said child kills all of his new Jedi.
3. Said child kills Han Solo
4. Said child kills the "New" Emperor and takes his place
5. Luke Skywalker essentially commits suicide protecting 20 people left from the New Republic and Rebellion/Resistance, including his sister (who dies shortly thereafter).


What's not to like?


The story itself doesn't bother me, even though I don't find it all that interesting. I just don't think the two movies are all that great. I was OK with TFA, but TLJ should have blown us all away. It didn't. Instead I think it pales in comparison to Rogue One. TLJ didn't hold my attention when I watched it.

DaneMcCloud 01-04-2018 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 13330276)
The story itself doesn't bother me, even though I don't find it all that interesting. I just don't think the two movies are all that great. I was OK with TFA, but TLJ should have blown us all away. It didn't. Instead I think it pales in comparison to Rogue One. TLJ didn't hold my attention when I watched it.

What The Last Jedi tells us is that our heroes lives are inconsequential.

Luke blowing up the Death Star with Han's help was inconsequential.

Luke saving his father, which lead to the destruction of the second Death Star and death of the Emperor and Sith was inconsequential.

No matter how much "Good" someone does with their life, evil will always prevail and destroy lives.

This also tells us that whatever Finn, Rose, Poe and Rey do in their lives is also inconsequential.

So, what's the point?

temper11 01-04-2018 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13330231)
You don't like the story line in the new trilogy? Why not?

1. Han and Leia are divorced after having a child that emulates Darth Vader.
2. Luke Skywalker is all alone and blames himself after said child kills all of his new Jedi.
3. Said child kills Han Solo
4. Said child kills the "New" Emperor and takes his place
5. Luke Skywalker essentially commits suicide protecting 20 people left from the New Republic and Rebellion/Resistance, including his sister (who dies shortly thereafter).


What's not to like?

sounds pretty damned interesting. Better than the "they lived happily ever after" ending and the sequels are hours and hours of watching Han and Chewy play corn-hole while Leia fetches beer from the cooler.

temper11 01-04-2018 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13330360)
What The Last Jedi tells us is that our heroes lives are inconsequential.

Other than restoring peace to the galaxy for years, you mean?

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13330360)
Luke blowing up the Death Star with Han's help was inconsequential.

Inconsequential? Except that the empire didn't have a death star to go around terrorizing planets for a few years and had to start completely over. You could have said this in response to Return of the Jedi too. Stamping out one threat doesn't mean that all threats go away.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13330360)
Luke saving his father, which lead to the destruction of the second Death Star and death of the Emperor and Sith was inconsequential.

Same response as above... the empire lost another powerful weapon, and their leadership, which lead to peace in the galaxy for years thereafter. How is that inconsequential? Evil always rises up - even in the real world. This is not an unusual concept. You depose one evil dictator and another one steps up to fill in the void.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13330360)
No matter how much "Good" someone does with their life, evil will always prevail and destroy lives.

Evil doesn't always prevail - in real life nor in Star Wars (see destruction of death star 1, destruction of death star 2, destruction of star killer base, destruction of dreadnought, etc. etc...)

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13330360)
This also tells us that whatever Finn, Rose, Poe and Rey do in their lives is also inconsequential.

Because they will never be able to completely eradicate evil? Seriously?

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13330360)
So, what's the point?

"Darkness rises, and the light to meet it". It's been that way since the dawn of time and will always be that way. No matter how strong and powerful our heroes are on the screen or in real life. And even in knowing that truth... heroes still stand against that evil - it's actually a pretty damned inspiring message.

I think that's the point.

DaneMcCloud 01-04-2018 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13330406)
Other than restoring peace to the galaxy for years, you mean?

When?

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13330406)
Inconsequential? Except that the empire didn't have a death star to go around terrorizing planets for a few years and had to start completely over. You could have said this in response to Return of the Jedi too. Stamping out one threat doesn't mean that all threats go away.

So the remnants of the Empire built an even bigger planet killer.

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13330406)
Same response as above... the empire lost another powerful weapon, and their leadership, which lead to peace in the galaxy for years thereafter. How is that inconsequential? Evil always rises up - even in the real world. This is not an unusual concept. You depose one evil dictator and another one steps up to fill in the void.

Dumb

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13330406)
Evil doesn't always prevail - in real life nor in Star Wars (see destruction of death star 1, destruction of death star 2, destruction of star killer base, destruction of dreadnought, etc. etc...)

Evil prevails in the Star Wars galaxy

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13330406)
Because they will never be able to completely eradicate evil? Seriously?

The First Order just destroyed several planets and all that's left of the Resistance is about 20 people.

What the **** are you watching?

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13330406)
I think that's the point.

The "point" is that the heroes of the original Star Wars Trilogy are inconsequential and failures at life.

Failed parents, failed marriages, failed to stop further evil.

Fail, Fail, Epic Fail.

Hammock Parties 01-04-2018 12:50 PM

Thanks to Luke and his friends the galaxy was saved and they had 30 years of peace.

The First Order attempted a return to tyranny once again, and briefly succeeded by winning a few battles, but thanks to our original heroes, some new friends and a last-minute change of heart from Ben Solo, it will be destroyed from within!

What a great story of family legacy and good triumphing over evil! The Republic will be restored!

listopencil 01-04-2018 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13330360)
What The Last Jedi tells us is that our heroes lives are inconsequential.

Luke blowing up the Death Star with Han's help was inconsequential.

Luke saving his father, which lead to the destruction of the second Death Star and death of the Emperor and Sith was inconsequential.

No matter how much "Good" someone does with their life, evil will always prevail and destroy lives.

This also tells us that whatever Finn, Rose, Poe and Rey do in their lives is also inconsequential.

So, what's the point?


Maybe that's why it was such a big "meh" for me. I don't know. I haven't thought about it a lot because the movie had barely any effect on me. I guess you could say that I'm jaded or disinterested, but I've seen a lot of stuff lately that was downright gripping. I mean, hell, I was more into the Wonder Woman movie than this. Not what I expected.

temper11 01-04-2018 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13330460)
When?

The period between ROTJ and TFA

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So the remnants of the Empire built an even bigger planet killer.

Yes. That's what you do... when you fail, you try.. try again. Applies to evil empires too.

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Dumb

Tapout acknowledged

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Evil prevails in the Star Wars galaxy

Evil exists, yes. And sometimes the good guys win and sometimes the bad guys win. Pretty freakin' boring trilogy if Han, Luke and Leia had stamped out all evil in the universe for all time, don't you think?

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The First Order just destroyed several planets and all that's left of the Resistance is about 20 people.

Yes, things are dire right now. Sure hope some new heroes step up to continue the good fight and honor the legacy of the heroes that had come before!

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The "point" is that the heroes of the original Star Wars Trilogy are inconsequential and failures at life.

Failed parents, failed marriages, failed to stop further evil.

Fail, Fail, Epic Fail.

yeah... life is hard, marriage is hard, parenting is freakin' hard, stopping all further evil is impossible. The Star Wars universe you want is all rainbows and butterflies.

NJChiefsFan 01-04-2018 02:56 PM

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You don't like the story line in the new trilogy? Why not?

1. Han and Leia are divorced after having a child that emulates Darth Vader.
2. Luke Skywalker is all alone and blames himself after said child kills all of his new Jedi.
3. Said child kills Han Solo
4. Said child kills the "New" Emperor and takes his place
5. Luke Skywalker essentially commits suicide protecting 20 people left from the New Republic and Rebellion/Resistance, including his sister (who dies shortly thereafter).


What's not to like?

The presentation of it along the way wasn't amazing, more so the second one in my opinion. The new characters brought up along the way don't have a ton of depth. I'm pretty neutral about the second movie overall, and went in with an open mind to both, but I just haven't been too engaged by these new characters.

listopencil 01-04-2018 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13330507)
Thanks to Luke and his friends the galaxy was saved and they had 30 years of peace.

The First Order attempted a return to tyranny once again, and briefly succeeded by winning a few battles, but thanks to our original heroes, some new friends and a last-minute change of heart from Ben Solo, it will be destroyed from within!

What a great story of family legacy and good triumphing over evil! The Republic will be restored!

It would have been cool if... (spoilers)

Spoiler!


I don't know. It just wasn't an engaging movie. I feel like they could have done better.

DaneMcCloud 01-04-2018 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13330656)
yeah... life is hard, marriage is hard, parenting is freakin' hard, stopping all further evil is impossible. The Star Wars universe you want is all rainbows and butterflies.

:facepalm:

Of course, I'm arguing with an Alexsexual, which is my bad...

DaneMcCloud 01-04-2018 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 13331139)
I don't know. It just wasn't an engaging movie. I feel like they could have done better.

When Episode IX ends, does anyone truly believe that people will be clamoring to see Rey, Poe, Finn, Rose and Kylo Ren after a 32 year absence on the big screen?

I don't think so.

temper11 01-04-2018 06:06 PM

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:facepalm:

Of course, I'm arguing with an Alexsexual, which is my bad...

I win.

Hammock Parties 01-04-2018 06:06 PM

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When Episode IX ends, does anyone truly believe that people will be clamoring to see Rey, Poe, Finn, Rose and Kylo Ren after a 32 year absence on the big screen?

I don't think so.

They didn't have the opportunity to fully develop the new characters, because they crammed the OT in there as well.

Finn and Rose really shouldn't be in the films. If Poe Dameron had started out as a TIE pilot or something he could have been a really interesting character. I actually like his arc in TLJ quite a bit.

Finn and Poe should have been one character.

Too many characters competing for screen time.

temper11 01-04-2018 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13331247)
When Episode IX ends, does anyone truly believe that people will be clamoring to see Rey, Poe, Finn, Rose and Kylo Ren after a 32 year absence on the big screen?

I don't think so.

Again, I think these movies are being held up to unrealistic expectations. When the OT came out, there was nothing, and had been nothing like it in the history of cinema. You are never going to capture that again.

Hammock Parties 01-04-2018 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13331315)
Again, I think these movies are being held up to unrealistic expectations. When the OT came out, there was nothing, and had been nothing like it in the history of cinema. You are never going to capture that again.

Solid take.

Disney had to scale Mt. Everest if they wanted to use the original characters AND introduce new ones and do them credit.

It's not perfect, but we got a far more creative effort than what was put out with Star Trek. Talk about a rehash...

listopencil 01-04-2018 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13331247)
When Episode IX ends, does anyone truly believe that people will be clamoring to see Rey, Poe, Finn, Rose and Kylo Ren after a 32 year absence on the big screen?

I don't think so.

I agree.

listopencil 01-04-2018 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13331315)
Again, I think these movies are being held up to unrealistic expectations. When the OT came out, there was nothing, and had been nothing like it in the history of cinema. You are never going to capture that again.

Sure there was. Lucas acknowledged the heavy influence of The Hidden Fortress for an obvious one. We have been telling the same stories to each other for thousands of years. This just wasn't a very good job of it.

DaneMcCloud 01-04-2018 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13331252)
I win.

You don't win shit, dumbass

DaneMcCloud 01-04-2018 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13331315)
Again, I think these movies are being held up to unrealistic expectations.

No, they're not.

You're just not very bright.

temper11 01-04-2018 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13331451)
No, they're not.

You're just not very bright.

Yes, you the far superior intellect resorting to petty insults in a discussion on our opinions of a science fiction movie. Just put me on ignore if you are not mature enough for conversation.

temper11 01-04-2018 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 13331386)
Sure there was. Lucas acknowledged the heavy influence of The Hidden Fortress for an obvious one. We have been telling the same stories to each other for thousands of years. This just wasn't a very good job of it.

There hadn't been anything like star wars before star wars. Science fiction movies were trash and mostly laughable. Star Wars set a new insanely high bar for scifi. Yes some of the story themes were familiar, but the universe was unlike anything else.


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