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iSavedLatin 11-28-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17248594)
Franklin seems like an easy plug-and-play replacement for all the deep overs, posts, and crossers KC likes to run.

And I like Mooney a BUNCH as a complementary Z type.

Anyone wanting a good look at Franklin, Odunze, Polk, and McMillian can check them all out at once during the UW/Oregon game this Friday. Should be fun.

duncan_idaho 11-28-2023 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17248687)
I figured he'd get something close to 15 just due to inflation at the WR spot.

Hard to say, but that's where Spotrac has Marqise Brown slotted. I'd think Mooney is more in the 8-10 range considering he has been so non-productive the past 2 years.

Stryker 11-28-2023 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17247220)
Malik Nabers currently has 1,546 yards and 14 TDS on 18 yrd avg... holy shit!

That is because his QB is Jayden Daniels a Heisman candidate :thumb:

Stryker 11-28-2023 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17247220)
Malik Nabers currently has 1,546 yards and 14 TDS on 18 yrd avg... holy shit!

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BigRedChief 11-29-2023 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17241824)
I'm not sure I'm ready to give up Jones for a rookie WR.

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17242319)
I get it. It's a tough decision. It's financial for me. We need the money to retain some other players, and the draft picks to rebuild the receiving core.

When you have the best and highest paid QB in history, you have to cut corners in other places. It's just math.

RunKC 12-02-2023 09:31 AM

Harrison Jr, Nabers, Odunze and Coleman will be in their draft cities doing a rookie press conference into by the time we're on the clock.

I do like the 2nd wave of WR's quite a bit

Urc Burry 12-02-2023 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17253856)
Harrison Jr, Nabers, Odunze and Coleman will be in their draft cities doing a rookie press conference into by the time we're on the clock.

I do like the 2nd wave of WR's quite a bit

To pick 32 maybe. But there are a ton of tackles, edges, and corners with first round grades. And with this group it’s highly doubtful this is the consensus once the combine happens. I think Nabers has solidified the second spot. But after that who knows

FD 12-02-2023 12:58 PM

Give me Worthy.

DJ's left nut 12-02-2023 05:47 PM

My boy McMillan looked great against Oregon.

Still think he's a perfect complement to Rice.

duncan_idaho 12-03-2023 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17254240)
My boy McMillan looked great against Oregon.

Still think he's a perfect complement to Rice.

He's so good in the slot, and Polk and Odunze require so much attention he's always got a favorable matchup.

You think McMillan has the speed/twitch to make it in the NFL? My only hesitation on him is the physical profile looks a little similar to Skyy Moore...

DJ's left nut 12-03-2023 10:57 PM

I don't see Moore at all. Hyatt? Maybe.

Nah - McMillan is faster, bigger, more polished and more fluid. I don't think he's going to be confined to a slot role.

JPH83 12-04-2023 12:45 AM

We need 3 new WRs, as close to as a sure-thing as we can afford in FA and 2 in the draft. I don't care how long it takes rookies to come good in the system.

Where do you see McMillan being taken DJ? I like him but not that early.

Dunerdr 12-04-2023 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17259725)
We need 3 new WRs, as close to as a sure-thing as we can afford in FA and 2 in the draft. I don't care how long it takes rookies to come good in the system.

Where do you see McMillan being taken DJ? I like him but not that early.

The good/bad is we will probably be picking higher than we ever have in the Mahomes era. The bad is we will probably still need to move up a little.

DJ's left nut 12-04-2023 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17259725)
We need 3 new WRs, as close to as a sure-thing as we can afford in FA and 2 in the draft. I don't care how long it takes rookies to come good in the system.

Where do you see McMillan being taken DJ? I like him but not that early.

I'm hopeful he can be had in the mid-2nd via trade-up again. Then again, Hyatt fell into the early 3rd.

WR class is deep in both the 1st and 2nd tiers. I don't think we are likely to get into reasonable trade-up range for the 1st tier so we may be better served to either A) Trade down with our first and take someone at the top of the 2nd tier of WRs in the early/mid 2nd. Or B) Stay put in the 2nd and look for someone mid/back of the 2nd tier.

OKchiefs 12-04-2023 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17260158)
I'm hopeful he can be had in the mid-2nd via trade-up again. Then again, Hyatt fell into the early 3rd.

WR class is deep in both the 1st and 2nd tiers. I don't think we are likely to get into reasonable trade-up range for the 1st tier so we may be better served to either A) Trade down with our first and take someone at the top of the 2nd tier of WRs in the early/mid 2nd. Or B) Stay put in the 2nd and look for someone mid/back of the 2nd tier.

The only way waiting until the 2nd to get a WR next year works out is if they also invest in a quality WR in FA. Otherwise you're hopeful that Rice takes a huge leap in year 2 and the 2nd rd pick starts to perform on a limited route tree by the mid-point of the season like Rice, which is certainly not a given. If you want a talent who is likely ready to hit the ground running it's probably going to have to be someone taken in the 15-20 range of the first round at the latest. If that requires a trade up then so be it, we have future draft picks or maybe extra pick(s) from a Chris Jones trade. They have to figure it out.

Chris Meck 12-04-2023 01:38 PM

Give me Mooney and a draftee no later than the second and I'll take my chances.

DJ's left nut 12-04-2023 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17260465)
Give me Mooney and a draftee no later than the second and I'll take my chances.

Agreed.

I don't think you need to go spend $20+ million on a superstar #1. I think you can find a Brandin Cooks/Jakoby Myers sort of quality middle class veteran who can step in as a strong complement to Rice while you develop the 1st/2nd round rookie.

And yes, patience will again be required. And you'd better hope the rookie is better than Skyy Moore.

Icon 12-04-2023 06:53 PM

Malik Washington from Virginia declared today. He led the nation in receptions and was 4th in yards. He's not the tallest WR but has a good frame. He's more quick than fast. Has great hands and is fun to watch. Here's a highlight video, enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTKh2NSBEI4

Couch-Potato 12-04-2023 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17260465)
Give me Mooney and a draftee no later than the second and I'll take my chances.

If we can keep CJ I'd be good with this plan.

Going to be plenty of quality 2nd round WRs.

Couch-Potato 12-04-2023 08:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIwZ2Qz1j_A

^Quality listen regarding Chiefs upcoming draft decisions and prospect targets.

Apparently, there are so many 1st rd QBs this year that will likely drive down high value targets as potential late 1st rounders.

Couch-Potato 12-04-2023 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon (Post 17261050)
Malik Washington from Virginia declared today. He led the nation in receptions and was 4th in yards. He's not the tallest WR but has a good frame. He's more quick than fast. Has great hands and is fun to watch. Here's a highlight video, enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTKh2NSBEI4

Speaking of quality late 2nd rounders, DraftBuzz latest rankings...

11. L. McConkey
12. J. Polk
13. M. Corley
14. B. Thomas Jr
15. A. Mitchell
16. M. Washington
17. B. Rice

Particularly noting that they dropped Adoni Mitchell to #15, interesting. They also have Keon Coleman at #9.

Chris Meck 12-05-2023 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17261173)
If we can keep CJ I'd be good with this plan.

Going to be plenty of quality 2nd round WRs.

Jonesy's gone, bro. Just get used to the idea.

Had the WR room developed as hoped this season, it might be possible to pay him, and cut MVS and draft a speed guy to roll with, but it didn't.

O.city 12-05-2023 09:52 AM

Our first round pick with be in SF and Aiyuk will be here.

Learn to love it.

staylor26 12-05-2023 10:17 AM

Xavier Legette please and thank you.

This offense is looking for an identity going forward, and Rice & Legette would give them two big physical WRs that are deadly after the catch.

Chris Meck 12-05-2023 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17262043)
Xavier Legette please and thank you.

This offense is looking for an identity going forward, and Rice & Legette would give them two big physical WRs that are deadly after the catch.

Legette not doing...anything at all for four years and then suddenly is Megatron in year 5 really spooks me.

Couch-Potato 12-05-2023 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17262178)
Legette not doing...anything at all for four years and then suddenly is Megatron in year 5 really spooks me.

What's crazy is I haven't heard anyone address this yet? Nothing on the draft profiles, articles, or podcasts I've listened to. Someone just ask the guy already I want to hear his rebuttal.

Couch-Potato 12-05-2023 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17262043)
Xavier Legette please and thank you.

This offense is looking for an identity going forward, and Rice & Legette would give them two big physical WRs that are deadly after the catch.


Watching SF this weekend and noting how physical Deebo and Aiyuk looked after the catch and thinking to myself the exact same thing... "Man! It'd be nice to have a couple of thick YAC type WRs in KC for DBs to worry about."

Couch-Potato 12-05-2023 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17261981)
Jonesy's gone, bro. Just get used to the idea.

Had the WR room developed as hoped this season, it might be possible to pay him, and cut MVS and draft a speed guy to roll with, but it didn't.

I'm not so sure.

But if he goes we have to get something for him.

TambaBerry 12-05-2023 06:39 PM

Give me keon Colemanu 2nd favorite wr

Couch-Potato 12-05-2023 07:45 PM

Personally, I like Legette and Coleman.

Hoping we take two WRs in the draft.

JPH83 12-06-2023 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17262969)
Personally, I like Legette and Coleman.

Hoping we take two WRs in the draft.

We need 2, because we have to hit on 1. Might that be sub-optimal in terms of resource allocation? Probably, but I'd take that risk over whiffing at the position.

Get cheaper at DT with an approach that priorities middling depth over Jones and JAGS, get a WR in FA and 2 in the draft.

We're going to have gaps next year, could be at CB if Sneed goes, DT with Jones, and LT is still an issue, we're going to have to lump it.

Couch-Potato 12-06-2023 05:46 AM

Let's say all concerns are eased in free agency around other positions, but there was no cap available for a vet WR.

You can have 1 first RD WR, or 2nd and 3rd RD WRs in the draft.

Who you taking and why?

First Rounders
K. Coleman
E. Egbuka
X. Legette
X. Worthy
T. Franklin
J. Wilson

2nd Rounders
A. Mitchell
B. Thomas Jr
J. Polk
M. Corley
L. McConkey
M. Washington
B. Rice

3rd Rounders
J. Burton
T. Horton
J. Mcmilan
R. Wilson
D. Walker
T. Harris
D. Clark

iSavedLatin 12-06-2023 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17263203)
Let's say all concerns are eased in free agency around other positions, but there was no cap available for a vet WR.

You can have 1 first RD WR, or 2nd and 3rd RD WRs in the draft.

Who you taking and why?

First Rounders
K. Coleman
E. Egbuka
X. Legette
X. Worthy
T. Franklin
J. Wilson

2nd Rounders
A. Mitchell
B. Thomas Jr
J. Polk
M. Corley
L. McConkey
M. Washington
B. Rice

3rd Rounders
J. Burton
T. Horton
J. Mcmilan
R. Wilson
D. Walker
T. Harris
D. Clark

If I'm taking someone in round 1, my heart says Legette, but my head says Coleman. Legette gives the offense a much needed speed/size combo it's missing. I'd need someone to talk me out of Legette because he's just so electric, but his route tree is more like a trunk without branches, he's older, and has just one year of production. Coleman is more of a technician, more polished, and would probably be closer to a finished product and ready to contribute sooner.

For 2nd and 3rd rounders, Corley and Burton. Corley is a monster in the open field and Burton has some real dog in him. I would be good with swapping Thomas Jr. in the 2nd for Corley.

kccrow 12-06-2023 07:46 PM

Egbuka by a long, long ways.

He's basically Rashee with better route running and quickness. He'd be an outstanding Z.

smith11 12-07-2023 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by iSavedLatin (Post 17263980)
If I'm taking someone in round 1, my heart says Legette, but my head says Coleman. Legette gives the offense a much needed speed/size combo it's missing. I'd need someone to talk me out of Legette because he's just so electric, but his route tree is more like a trunk without branches, he's older, and has just one year of production. Coleman is more of a technician, more polished, and would probably be closer to a finished product and ready to contribute sooner.

For 2nd and 3rd rounders, Corley and Burton. Corley is a monster in the open field and Burton has some real dog in him. I would be good with swapping Thomas Jr. in the 2nd for Corley.

a question needing to be asked is why legette had only 1 year of production

smith11 12-07-2023 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17263203)
Let's say all concerns are eased in free agency around other positions, but there was no cap available for a vet WR.

You can have 1 first RD WR, or 2nd and 3rd RD WRs in the draft.

Who you taking and why?

First Rounders
K. Coleman
E. Egbuka
X. Legette
X. Worthy
T. Franklin
J. Wilson

2nd Rounders
A. Mitchell
B. Thomas Jr
J. Polk
M. Corley
L. McConkey
M. Washington
B. Rice

3rd Rounders
J. Burton
T. Horton
J. Mcmilan
R. Wilson
D. Walker
T. Harris
D. Clark

no Rome Odunze?

BenoniBenko 12-07-2023 07:41 AM

Michael Sturdivant -- i've watched a bunch of UCLA games this year. This kid is extremely underrated.

We can look to grab him on day 3 if he's still on the board as our second WR selected in the draft

Couch-Potato 12-07-2023 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by smith11 (Post 17264457)
no Rome Odunze?

I left the top 3 guys off the list bc I assume they'll go before #30-32.

Truth is if we wanted nearly any of those 2nd rounders, we'd have to take them in the 1st.

kccrow 12-07-2023 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17264594)
I left the top 3 guys off the list bc I assume they'll go before #30-32.

Truth is if we wanted nearly any of those 2nd rounders, we'd have to take them in the 1st.

No way.

Something Draftek added to their position rankings is something I used to track manually and that's average number of players by that position drafted per round over the past 6 seasons. We might have to move up in the 2nd for a guy or we might have to take one of the top 1 or 2 guys rated in the 2nd in the 1st, but we wouldn't need to take the majority of those guys in the 1st.

There are probably going to be 5 WRs with 1st round grades (Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Egbuka, and Coleman), 2 with high 2nd round grades (Franklin and Worthy), 2-3 with mid-2nd round grades (Mitchell and Thomas, maybe Legette), and the rest will be fringe 2nd or later.

I mean, those might change a tad but I don't see it changing astronomically. A fringe 1/2 could sneak into 1, and so on.

O.city 12-07-2023 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17264617)
No way.

Something Draftek added to their position rankings is something I used to track manually and that's average number of players by that position drafted per round over the past 6 seasons. We might have to move up in the 2nd for a guy or we might have to take one of the top 1 or 2 guys rated in the 2nd in the 1st, but we wouldn't need to take the majority of those guys in the 1st.

There are probably going to be 5 WRs with 1st round grades (Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Egbuka, and Coleman), 2 with high 2nd round grades (Franklin and Worthy), 2-3 with mid-2nd round grades (Mitchell and Thomas, maybe Legette), and the rest will be fringe 2nd or later.

I mean, those might change a tad but I don't see it changing astronomically. A fringe 1/2 could sneak into 1, and so on.

Unless this just ends up being the best WR draft of all time, 3 or 4 of those guys just won't make it in the league.

So while it looks like alot....I dunno. I'm just kinda blah on drafting a WR high. People hate it but I'd rather trade for one.

Couch-Potato 12-07-2023 10:20 AM

"Kansas City has struggled with drops this season. Keon Coleman is a ball winner down the field but, more importantly, he has just a 1.1% drop rate on 87 targets this season."

-Interesting note from a CBS mock

Urc Burry 12-07-2023 10:33 AM

This isn’t a dig at Coleman. I honestly don’t know, because I haven’t dug in

But where are the stats for him? 650 yards seems kinda low for a guy of his caliber on that team.

Nabers is obviously out of our range, but he has more yards than Coleman and Johnny Wilson combined ROFL

kccrow 12-07-2023 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 17264669)
This isn’t a dig at Coleman. I honestly don’t know, because I haven’t dug in

But where are the stats for him? 650 yards seems kinda low for a guy of his caliber on that team.

Nabers is obviously out of our range, but he has more yards than Coleman and Johnny Wilson combined ROFL

Discrepancy in ball distribution is one.

FSU threw to their top 2 TEs on 58/207 passes and top 2 RBs on 41/207 passes.
LSU threw to their top 2 TEs on 32/236 passes and top 2 RBs on 19/236 passes.

You also see clearly from that the discrepancy in QBs that push the ball down the field.

I could easily see Worth or Franklin going ahead of Coleman, but there is always a team that likes a big-bodied jump ball WR.

Couch-Potato 12-07-2023 04:02 PM

Said it before, but I'd like to see us pursue a big WR.

Would be fun to have a Dez Bryant, DK Metcalf, Michael Thomas, or Mike Evans of our own.

O.city 12-07-2023 04:49 PM

See I don't really care about big. Give me a guy that gets open and catches the football.

Big/small whatever.

Coogs 12-07-2023 05:10 PM

Harrison talking about staying in school. Can't imagine he would do that.

kccrow 12-07-2023 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17265225)
Harrison talking about staying in school. Can't imagine he would do that.

Hard to pass up being a top 5 pick.

kccrow 12-07-2023 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17265198)
See I don't really care about big. Give me a guy that gets open and catches the football.

Big/small whatever.

Yep. Routes and hands matter most. Reid has had very few big WRs. Rashee is usually about his maximum.

Coogs 12-07-2023 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17265240)
Hard to pass up being a top 5 pick.

Agreed.

He is talking today about staying because he came to OSU to beat Michigan and play in the Big 10 championship. Feels like he needs to complete his dream before going to the NFL.

I'll be shocked if he comes back.

Couch-Potato 12-07-2023 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17265225)
Harrison talking about staying in school. Can't imagine he would do that.

For what purpose?

Couch-Potato 12-07-2023 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17265254)
Agreed.

He is talking today about staying because he came to OSU to beat Michigan and play in the Big 10 championship. Feels like he needs to complete his dream before going to the NFL.

I'll be shocked if he comes back.

I see. I think that's a bad decision career-wise.

Why postpone the majors to produce in the minors if you're already a lock for top 5.

Buehler445 12-08-2023 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17265134)
Said it before, but I'd like to see us pursue a big WR.

Would be fun to have a Dez Bryant, DK Metcalf, Michael Thomas, or Mike Evans of our own.

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17265242)
Yep. Routes and hands matter most. Reid has had very few big WRs. Rashee is usually about his maximum.

This. WE may like them, but Reid does not.

Like O.City said - get open. Precise routes, good hands, good quickness. Reid will figure the rest out.

O.city 12-08-2023 09:26 AM

They're saying Harrison could get enough NIL $ that would basically be a first round pick amount.

I'd be shocked, but there's money everywhere.

The issue is the 2nd NFL contract is where he's gonna break it off and he needs to get in the league asap and start the clock on that.

Buehler445 12-08-2023 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17265870)
They're saying Harrison could get enough NIL $ that would basically be a first round pick amount.

I'd be shocked, but there's money everywhere.

The issue is the 2nd NFL contract is where he's gonna break it off and he needs to get in the league asap and start the clock on that.

Yeah, that's what everyone misses.

I think most of those "I could return" shit is laying the grounds for "I'm not going to the ****hole Jets" or whatever.

Which at that point, just be open and honest in the combine meetings and go on about your business.

DJ's left nut 12-08-2023 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17265225)
Harrison talking about staying in school. Can't imagine he would do that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17265240)
Hard to pass up being a top 5 pick.

Trying to get those donors to pump up that NIL offer...

There's no salary cap at Ohio State.

Edit:

DAMMIT! O.City beat me to it.

O.city 12-08-2023 10:09 AM

By all means man, go nuclear. Make yourself undraftable and fall to 32

Couch-Potato 12-10-2023 11:53 PM

1. WR K. Coleman
2. WR B. Rice
3. TE J. Wilson

Let's go!

ntexascardfan 12-12-2023 12:58 PM

I'm starting to come back around on Worthy as our guy. There was a lot of video on you twitter this morning about how our guys simply aren't reading coverage and are on the same page with Mahomes.

One thing Worthy exels at is knowing where to sit down in zone coverage and how to break his routes to be available for a pass. It's one thing we're seriously lacking this season.

He had the lowest drop rate in the Big XII this season and has shown some unexpected toughness later in the year.

We draft him and pair him up with Rice and someone like Darnell Mooney, and teams are back to having to cover every inch of the field against us.

Couch-Potato 12-12-2023 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ntexascardfan (Post 17276555)
I'm starting to come back around on Worthy as our guy. There was a lot of video on you twitter this morning about how our guys simply aren't reading coverage and are on the same page with Mahomes.

One thing Worthy exels at is knowing where to sit down in zone coverage and how to break his routes to be available for a pass. It's one thing we're seriously lacking this season.

He had the lowest drop rate in the Big XII this season and has shown some unexpected toughness later in the year.

We draft him and pair him up with Rice and someone like Darnell Mooney, and teams are back to having to cover every inch of the field against us.

Both Xavier's feel like boom or bust types currently.

ntexascardfan 12-12-2023 11:34 PM

Well if you want a sure thing you're going to need to trade into the top half of the first round.

I will say if a guy is a strong route runner, knows how to get open, and has decent hands with speed his floor is a lot higher than most...even if he is on the lighter side.

Chris Meck 12-13-2023 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17277407)
Both Xavier's feel like boom or bust types currently.

Leggette scares me as a prospect. Nothing in 4 years and then all of the sudden, he's Megatron. He's either stupid, or juicing, or very lazy unless it's time to get paid. Something ain't right there.

Worthy, my only concern is his size. Is he a slot only guy at the NFL level? I mean, that's fine, but do you want to take that in the first round? If Rice is your 'X' moving forward, I guess that's alright.

staylor26 12-13-2023 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17277562)
Leggette scares me as a prospect. Nothing in 4 years and then all of the sudden, he's Megatron. He's either stupid, or juicing, or very lazy unless it's time to get paid. Something ain't right there.

Worthy, my only concern is his size. Is he a slot only guy at the NFL level? I mean, that's fine, but do you want to take that in the first round? If Rice is your 'X' moving forward, I guess that's alright.

Orrr he's just a late bloomer? Lol it doesn't have to be something bad dude.

I'd be more concerned if he didn't look like a ****ing A.J. Brown clone and didn't do it in the SEC against the best of the best.

The guy is 6'3" 227 with wheels. You just can't teach that, and that tends to translate well.

Couch-Potato 12-13-2023 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17277680)
Orrr he's just a late bloomer? Lol it doesn't have to be something bad dude.

I'd be more concerned if he didn't look like a ****ing A.J. Brown clone and didn't do it in the SEC against the best of the best.

The guy is 6'3" 227 with wheels. You just can't teach that, and that tends to translate well.

I also thought he looked more like A.J. Brown then D.K. Metcalf on tape.

Stryker 12-13-2023 08:19 PM

ESPN Matt Miller 1st round mock:

1. Chicago Bears (via 1-12 CAR)

Caleb Williams, QB, USC

The Bears have a tough decision to make at quarterback given how well Justin Fields has played since his return from a right thumb injury a month ago. But he has been inconsistent over three seasons, and Chicago would likely take a quarterback if it lands one of the top two selections in the draft. Williams being available makes it an easier call, too.

Williams is a big play waiting to happen, with 41 total touchdowns in 2023. His game combines great arm strength, mobility, poise and field vision to make him the best overall prospect in the class and a quarterback the Bears simply cannot afford to pass on for another year of Fields. Restarting the clock at the position -- both in terms of salary and development timeline -- now is crucial with Fields' fifth-year option decision on deck.


2. New England Patriots (3-10)
Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina

Much like Chicago, the Patriots need to start over at quarterback, especially because the entire organization could reset this offseason. Mac Jones' fifth-year option decision is also coming this offseason, and after he was benched for Bailey Zappe, all signs point toward a new QB1 in New England for 2024.

Maye is a powerful thrower at 6-foot-4 and 230 pounds, with the arm talent to stretch the field vertically and the mobility to threaten on the ground. There are times his ball placement can be inconsistent, but his supporting cast at North Carolina did him few favors there. Maye -- who is declaring for the draft -- has the traits of a true franchise quarterback.


3. Arizona Cardinals (3-10)
Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State

I believe the Cardinals will make the right decision here to build around quarterback Kyler Murray and draft an elite receiver prospect to be his running mate, rather than make a change under center. Murray has played well since returning from a torn ACL, and the Cards have receivers Marquise Brown and Greg Dortch both on expiring deals.

Harrison is a magician at 6-foot-4 with fantastic body control and the fastest hands of any receiver in the draft class. He has the smooth and effortless route running ability -- plus the top-tier body control -- to quickly become one of the best players at the position in the NFL. He'd be the 10th receiver to ever get picked this high, per ESPN Stats & Information research.


4. New York Giants (5-8)
Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU

Is this too early for Daniels, even after his brilliant Heisman-winning 2023 season? Maybe, but teams will overdraft at quarterback in an effort to find the right player, and Daniels' dual-threat ability and vertical passing traits are very intriguing. His 50 total touchdowns this season make him a first-round candidate, but it's Daniels' improvement in the pocket and the best deep ball in college football that will truly turn heads come draft time.

The Giants are invested financially in Daniel Jones, but his play simply hasn't been good enough, and New York can move on via a trade. His 38.4 QBR ranks 25th in the NFL, and his season is over with a torn ACL. Daniels' 95.7, meanwhile, leads the FBS. And sure, undrafted rookie Tommy DeVito has been a fun story, leading the Giants to three straight wins. But his QBR on the season? It's even worse than Jones' at 26.2.

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5. Washington Commanders (4-9)
Olumuyiwa Fashanu, OT, Penn State

First-year starting quarterback Sam Howell has likely shown enough bright spots for the Commanders to build around him for at least one more season. But they can't keep this current offensive line intact with Howell on track to set the single-season sacks taken record (58 in 13 games).

Fashanu is a smooth-moving left tackle who has allowed one sack all season at Penn State. The 20-year-old junior is still developing, but he has Laremy Tunsil-like potential.


6. Tennessee Titans (5-8)
Dallas Turner, EDGE, Alabama

An offensive playmaker is very much in play for the Titans here, but this is a team without a double-digit sack player on the current roster. Outside linebackers Harold Landry III (8.5) and Arden Key (5.0) are talented, but the chance to get the best defensive player in the entire draft should excite Tennessee. The Titans have many needs at premium positions, so the best player available approach makes sense, and they can then find a pass-catcher or left tackle on Day 2. Turner has nine sacks this season.


7. Las Vegas Raiders (5-8)
J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan

Could the Raiders roll with Aidan O'Connell in 2024? Sure, but all signs right now point to them starting over at quarterback with a new regime in place, even after signing Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2023 offseason. McCarthy is instinctive, efficient and effective as a second-effort creator outside of the pocket. The Michigan scheme does him no favors in terms of statistics, but NFL scouts continue to tell me that McCarthy will be drafted earlier than expected.

With Shedeur Sanders (Colorado) and Quinn Ewers (Texas) expected to return to college for the 2024 season, McCarthy is the lone first-round-caliber passer remaining on my board. And if things play out this way, this would be the quickest that four QBs have come off the board in the common draft era (since 1967), per ESPN Stats & Information.


8. Chicago Bears (5-8)
Malik Nabers, WR, LSU

The Bears have receiver DJ Moore and tight end Cole Kmet, but with Darnell Mooney struggling to develop into a consistent threat and set to hit free agency, they could stand to add more options -- especially if they are taking a rookie quarterback in Williams at No. 1. Nabers is the most explosive after-the-catch receiver in the draft -- he averages 6.8 yards after the catch per reception -- and I like to compare him to Stefon Diggs. You might wonder about a left tackle here, but I'm a believer in second-year player Braxton Jones, so Chicago would be wise to go receiver at No. 8.

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9. New York Jets (5-8)
Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame

The Jets appear to be all-in on the return of Aaron Rodgers, fixing what ails them most in 2024. But if that's the case, a major upgrade is needed along the offensive line. New York has allowed 55 sacks, third most in the NFL, and Zach Wilson & Co. have been pressured at the fifth-highest rate (36%).

Alt is a pro-ready starter on the left side with one sack allowed all season. Given the turnstile that has been the Jets' left tackle position, upgrading via the early portion of the first round feels like a must after missing out on the top offensive tackles in the 2023 draft.


10. Los Angeles Chargers (5-8)
Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia

Bowers is my No. 6 overall player, but I couldn't find a value/need fit for him earlier than No. 10. Los Angeles wouldn't complain. The Chargers could luck out and get an awesome middle-of-the-field target who has similarities to George Kittle as a route runner, pass-catcher and after-the-catch playmaker. Bowers has 26 receiving touchdowns in the past three seasons and would immediately give quarterback Justin Herbert a chain-mover.


11. Atlanta Falcons (6-7)
Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama

The Falcons miss out on the top quarterbacks here and instead look to bolster the defense with my CB1. Arnold, a 6-foot-2 redshirt sophomore, has five interceptions in 2023 while showing a physicality rarely seen from young cornerbacks in the run game. He's long and aggressive, and he has the ball skills to be a star opposite A.J. Terrell.


12. Seattle Seahawks (6-7)
Jared Verse, EDGE, Florida State

A powerful pass-rusher who can set the edge against the run is exactly what Seattle needs in a draft class weak at defensive tackle (another potential hole for the Seahawks). Verse can bounce inside or outside opponent offensive tackles at 260 pounds, and he plays very similar to Trey Hendrickson. Verse -- who transferred from Albany before the 2022 season -- has been on a hot streak and has nine sacks through the end of the regular season, showing he is getting better with more reps and experience.


13. New Orleans Saints (6-7)
Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State

A quarterback of the future would be lovely here -- Derek Carr has 13 touchdown passes to seven interceptions this season -- but the value simply isn't there. Instead, the Saints can get a top-flight running mate for Chris Olave. Coleman is a 6-foot-4 pass-catcher with enough explosive ability that FSU used him as its primary punt returner. The former prep basketball star stands out with the ball in his hands and when attacking defenses on 50-50 balls.

If New Orleans did want to add to the QB room, it could maybe look at Bo Nix (Oregon) or Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) as Day 2 options.


14. Pittsburgh Steelers (7-6)
Rome Odunze, WR, Washington

Diontae Johnson's contract expires at the end of 2024, so there's room for Pittsburgh to add a physical, downfield threat with elite after-the-catch ability to the depth chart. Odunze has been the WR1 at Washington for three seasons, catching 25 touchdowns in that time while proving himself to be one of the most physical wideouts in college football. The 6-foot-3, 215-pound Odunze could pair with George Pickens to form a duo that would rival Cincinnati's WR group in the AFC North.

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15. Los Angeles Rams (6-7)
Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma

The Rams might have found a left tackle of the future with Alaric Jackson, but the right side has been an issue this season with Rob Havenstein manning the position. Guyton -- a raw but highly mobile blocker -- is my pick for who will be the position's biggest riser during the pre-draft process. The former defensive lineman is still learning to play offensive tackle, but his agility in space as a run-blocker is fantastic, and his length in pass protection is ideal for a rookie starter.


16. Indianapolis Colts (7-6)
Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama

The Colts could be looking at wide receiver if free agent Michael Pittman Jr. isn't retained, but the front office will likely do all it can to keep him on the roster for young quarterback Anthony Richardson.

Instead, the Colts could look to the defense, where the secondary has been plagued by injuries and poor play. McKinstry entered this season as my top-ranked cornerback and then broke up six passes over 13 games while allowing a 32.1% completion percentage (tied for 16th-best in the country). The 6-foot-1, 195-pounder hasn't recorded an interception this season but has quick feet in coverage and great length to lock down top wideouts.


17. Denver Broncos (7-6)
Ennis Rakestraw Jr., CB, Missouri

Denver has a set of budding stars in Pat Surtain II and Ja'Quan McMillian at corner, but since McMillian plays inside, it still needs an outside cover guy opposite Surtain. Rakestraw is long-armed at 6-foot and 188 pounds, and his technique, quickness and instincts are that of a starting NFL cornerback. Turn on the film from the LSU-Mizzou game back in October, and you'll see Rakestraw get challenged just one time all day by the LSU passing offense.


18. Cincinnati Bengals (7-6)
Jer'Zhan Newton, DT, Illinois

Free agency will be huge in truly determining the Bengals' draft needs; wide receivers Tee Higgins and Tyler Boyd are currently set to hit the open market. We're operating here under the belief that at least one will be back in 2024. If it plays out that way, the Bengals can bypass receiver in this spot and grab the best interior defender in the class. Newton is slightly undersized at 6-foot-2 and 295 pounds, but he has a devastating first step and has used it to accumulate 16.5 sacks and 92 pressures over the past three seasons.

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19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (6-7)
Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas

Mike Evans is potentially hitting free agency in March, and even if the perennial 1,000-yard receiver returns, he will turn 31 years old in August. It's time for Tampa Bay to invest in a younger top-tier pass-catcher, at least as long as one of the top four quarterbacks doesn't slip to No. 19. Worthy is fast and elusive with big-play ability. He has scored 25 touchdowns for Texas during the past three seasons and is a blur with the ball in his hands.


20. Arizona Cardinals (via 7-6 HOU)
Kalen King, CB, Penn State

After adding Harrison at No. 3 to help boost the offense, I could see the Cardinals focusing on cornerback with their second first-rounder further down the board. King was rated higher by NFL scouts than former Penn State teammate Joey Porter Jr. (No. 33 in the 2023 draft), and while he isn't as physical as Porter, he has better timing and ball skills. The Cardinals' pass defense -- which is allowing 7.0 yards per pass attempt, 26th in the NFL -- would improve with the feisty 5-foot-11, 191-pounder lined up outside. King has three interceptions and 19 pass breakups over his career.


21. Green Bay Packers (6-7)
JC Latham, OT, Alabama

Since the Packers have a solid young offensive nucleus at quarterback, wide receiver and tight end, they can focus on the line in the draft. The Packers haven't added a non-QB player on offense in Round 1 since 2011 (Derek Sherrod), but they could use some protection for Jordan Love. Latham is a massive blocker on the right side at 6-foot-6 and 360 pounds, and he moves exceptionally well up to the second level and in space. He's powerful enough to handle NFL rushers, too, and has allowed just two sacks in his three years at Alabama.


22. Minnesota Vikings (7-6)
Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson

The Vikings are desperate for a franchise quarterback but probably won't be picking high enough to get a top passer in this class. Maybe they bring back Kirk Cousins? Maybe they sign someone else or address it further down the board? Either way, I like them adding a top-flight cornerback here at No. 22 if QB isn't an option. People at Clemson say Wiggins is the fastest player on the Tigers' roster, and he does it at 6-foot-2. He played his best football down the stretch of the 2023 regular season before declaring for the draft and has true CB1 traits.


23. Buffalo Bills (7-6)
Laiatu Latu, EDGE, UCLA

The Bills need to add an explosive playmaker, whether it be on offense or defense. And in this projection, the draft's most productive pass-rusher is waiting for them at No. 23. Latu, who medically retired from football while at Washington and then transferred to UCLA in 2022, has posted 23.5 sacks over the past two seasons. Medicals will obviously be huge for his evaluation, but based on tape alone, Latu has top-10-pick upside. His game is similar to that of Jaelan Phillips, thanks to his size (6-foot-5, 265 pounds), length and first-step speed.


24. Houston Texans (via 8-5 CLE)
Chop Robinson, EDGE, Penn State

Will Anderson Jr., the Texans' No. 3 selection back in April, has been amazing as a rookie, but the Texans need a consistent playmaker opposite him. The 255-pound Robinson doesn't have the biggest build, but he is super explosive off the snap and used that quickness to grab 11.5 sacks over the past three seasons at Penn State before declaring for the draft. He isn't a run-down defender yet, but his ability to get to the quarterback will help Houston's defense immediately. The Texans rank 23rd in sack percentage, recording one on 6.1% of opponent dropbacks.



25. Jacksonville Jaguars (8-5)
Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina

The Jaguars have speed (Christian Kirk) and precision (Calvin Ridley) at wideout but lack power. That's what Legette brings at 6-foot-3 and 227 pounds. The senior caught 73 passes for 1,255 yards and seven touchdowns while outmuscling defensive backs on breaking routes and with the ball in his hands. The Jaguars appear set on the offensive line and could maybe add a pass-rusher, but Legette is too good of a value to pass up here.


26. Detroit Lions (9-4)
Brian Thomas Jr., WR, LSU

The Lions drafted a running back (Jahmyr Gibbs) and linebacker (Jack Campbell) in Round 1 back in April, but let's get them back to adding premium positions with early picks with a talented wide receiver. Thomas can play opposite Amon-Ra St. Brown as a 6-foot-4 red-zone target. He has 60 catches -- with 15 scores -- while averaging 18 yards per reception this season, and he'd be a physical mismatch for Jared Goff and the offense.


27. Kansas City Chiefs (8-5)
Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas

Another receiver? This makes it eight in Round 1, which would break the standing record of seven set in 2004. But this WR class is dominant, and the Chiefs obviously need one.

The Chiefs lead the NFL in dropped passes (29), and go-to tight end Travis Kelce is in his age-34 season. It's time to upgrade the pass-catchers on the roster for Patrick Mahomes. Mitchell is a playmaker who moves the chains at 6-foot-4 and 200 pounds. He also has 10 touchdowns on 51 catches (just one drop) this season and consistently comes up big in crucial moments for the Longhorns.


28. Dallas Cowboys (10-3)
JT Tuimoloau, EDGE, Ohio State

There isn't a clear-cut need in Dallas right now. Maybe a WR2 makes sense, or maybe some more depth at cornerback, though this team looks pretty complete at the moment. But the potential to add another pass-rusher fits with how the Cowboys like to build their roster. Tuimoloau wasn't overly productive at Ohio State -- 10 sacks over three years -- but he plays his best in big games, including four career sacks against Penn State last season. He's a heavy-handed defensive end who also shows up against the run.



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29. Philadelphia Eagles (10-3)
Kamari Lassiter, CB, Georgia

A Georgia defender to the Eagles? We've seen it before! And it seems to work well for Philly.

Lassiter isn't the front-seven playmaker that GM Howie Roseman loves to draft in Round 1, but the secondary could use major upgrades considering that Darius Slay and James Bradberry will both be at least 31 years old come Week 1 of next season. The Eagles took Kelee Ringo in Round 4 last April and signed Eli Ricks and Josh Jobe as undrafted free agents over the past two years, but it's time to invest in a premium prospect at the position. Lassiter has seven pass breakups this season and has allowed just nine receptions.


30. Miami Dolphins (9-4)
Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU

Do the Dolphins need a left tackle? Not yet -- but Terron Armstead turns 33 next July, and there is a potential out in his contract following the 2024 season. For a roster with very few immediate needs, Miami can draft ahead, prepping Suamataia to be the future at left tackle. The BYU senior is the most active, physical left tackle I've studied this year, but he's also really good in space in the run game and moves smoothly in pass protection. He'd be a great fit for the Dolphins' scheme.


31. Baltimore Ravens (10-3)
Chris Braswell, EDGE, Alabama

The Ravens are getting career-year production from Jadeveon Clowney at one edge position, but he's playing on a one-year deal. Flipping the talent on the edge of the defense is always a focal point for this front office, and Braswell is tailor-made for the Ravens' scheme at 6-foot-3 and 255 pounds. He has great power when setting the edge in the run game, and he has added eight sacks and 13 tackles for loss so far this season.

Braswell would be the 13th prospect taken on the defensive side of the ball in this scenario -- we've only seen that few Day 1 defensive players 21 times in the common draft era, per ESPN Stats & Information.


32. San Francisco 49ers (10-3)
Taliese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State

The right side of the 49ers' offensive line has been a weakness this season in both run and passing situations, while right tackle Colton McKivitz has allowed nine sacks and has the team's worst pass block win rate (88%). Normally, San Francisco might not find a solid OT picking at No. 32, but this class is deep. In fact, this would be the fifth time in common draft era history that at least six offensive tackles were taken in Round 1, per ESPN Stats & Information.

Fuaga is a powerful but agile run-blocker at 330 pounds, and since he already operates in a wide zone-running scheme at Oregon State, he would be a plug-and-play transition into the 49ers' offense. Cornerback is definitely a potential consideration here, too, but Fuaga is too nice of a scheme fit and too big of a positional need to go any other direction


Should we stand pat and take Adonai Mitchell or trade up with the Texans and take Xavier Legette?

DJ's left nut 12-13-2023 09:59 PM

Rakestraw in the 1st? Damn - I love the kid and I don't have him that high. I figured mid/late 2nd for him - mid 1st? Wow. I just don't see it.

Honestly I'd take Abrams-Draine ahead of him.

I almost wonder if Miller didn't get his Mizzou CBs confused.

Chris Meck 12-14-2023 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17277680)
Orrr he's just a late bloomer? Lol it doesn't have to be something bad dude.

I'd be more concerned if he didn't look like a ****ing A.J. Brown clone and didn't do it in the SEC against the best of the best.

The guy is 6'3" 227 with wheels. You just can't teach that, and that tends to translate well.

I don't know, man.

FOUR YEARS of just nothing. Nothing at all.

Coogs 12-14-2023 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17278752)
I don't know, man.

FOUR YEARS of just nothing. Nothing at all.

He did have a new OC this year. I have no idea if that is relevant to the situation or not. His old one is the OC for the Huskers. The Huskers offense was nothing to write home about this season.

duncan_idaho 12-14-2023 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17278752)
I don't know, man.

FOUR YEARS of just nothing. Nothing at all.


The first three years (two under Muschamp, one under Beamer), the QB situation was awful and the offense was terrible as a result.

Last year with Rattler was a lot better, and Antoine Wells was the main beneficiary. If he hadn’t gone down I’m not sure Legette breaks out.

I think there’s some context suppressing his production, there.

O.city 12-14-2023 08:44 AM

Don't take the 8th best WR prospect. Trade up or trade for someone.

DJ's left nut 12-14-2023 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17278853)
Don't take the 8th best WR prospect. Trade up or trade for someone.

Yeah, that's kinda where I am as well.

That said, if the 8th 'best' WR prospect is the 5th best fit on our board and we don't think a true year 1 player is going to be there for us in the 2nd, I can live with that kind of move.

(Especially if they go get McMillan for me in the 2nd)

Couch-Potato 12-14-2023 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17278853)
Don't take the 8th best WR prospect. Trade up or trade for someone.

Might be tough for us to pursue a vet unless we let CJ go, but I do wonder who we could get with that 1st > gambling on a rookie to become a #1 WR.

Heck, I don't think we'd even need to spend a 1st for a vet WR addition. I wonder if TEN would move Hopkins last year on his contract for a 4th should they decide to rebuild younger. Maybe Jamison Williams on a Toney'esque deal...not sure who'd be available but praying for a good deal to come along.

DJ's left nut 12-14-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17278814)
The first three years (two under Muschamp, one under Beamer), the QB situation was awful and the offense was terrible as a result.

Last year with Rattler was a lot better, and Antoine Wells was the main beneficiary. If he hadn’t gone down I’m not sure Legette breaks out.

I think there’s some context suppressing his production, there.

My issue is that he feels a little redundant. Another 'power' receiver.

Egbuka is still on the board in his mock, no? That's the route I'd go. Better deep speed, extremely polished in his movement (doesn't lose speed in/out of his breaks), was very productive against top competition, seems to be a very instinctual player.

If Egbuka were somehow the 8th WR drafted and we had a chance to make him that guy, I'd sprint to the board to get it done. The idea of him and Rice as the long-term foundation of the WR corps is extremely exciting to me. Then you can have Toney as a 3rd guy who gives you whatever you get from him (and of course, McMillan).

duncan_idaho 12-14-2023 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17278903)
My issue is that he feels a little redundant. Another 'power' receiver.

Egbuka is still on the board in his mock, no? That's the route I'd go. Better deep speed, extremely polished in his movement (doesn't lose speed in/out of his breaks), was very productive against top competition, seems to be a very instinctual player.

If Egbuka were somehow the 8th WR drafted and we had a chance to make him that guy, I'd sprint to the board to get it done. The idea of him and Rice as the long-term foundation of the WR corps is extremely exciting to me. Then you can have Toney as a 3rd guy who gives you whatever you get from him (and of course, McMillan).

Yeah, I like Egbuka a lot. He reminds me of Jeremy Maclin. I'd far prefer him to Legette.

I think Legette will run a better 40, though. Low 4.3s compared to a 4.4 showing from Egbuka. He's big, but his deep speed is what makes Legette intriguing.

O.city 12-14-2023 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17278893)
Yeah, that's kinda where I am as well.

That said, if the 8th 'best' WR prospect is the 5th best fit on our board and we don't think a true year 1 player is going to be there for us in the 2nd, I can live with that kind of move.

(Especially if they go get McMillan for me in the 2nd)

Trade it for Aiyuk.

He then comes here and becomes the true free bird he's supposed to and is Jerry Rice 2.0

O.city 12-14-2023 09:27 AM

They've had this year with Mahomes being so frustrated about guys not lining up right and route running etc and you think they're just gonna throw another rookie and a 2nd year Rice and this group back out there?

duncan_idaho 12-14-2023 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17278909)
They've had this year with Mahomes being so frustrated about guys not lining up right and route running etc and you think they're just gonna throw another rookie and a 2nd year Rice and this group back out there?

I don't think anyone thinks that.

But I also don't think the 49ers are going to trade Aiyuk to KC after the Chiefs beat them in the Super Bowl again.

DJ's left nut 12-14-2023 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17278909)
They've had this year with Mahomes being so frustrated about guys not lining up right and route running etc and you think they're just gonna throw another rookie and a 2nd year Rice and this group back out there?

No, they'll pursue a middle class veteran. Duncan thinks Ridley's age will keep us out of that sweepstakes but I think that's exactly why we'd pursue him. The age will keep the term/AAV a little more reasonable.

They're not looking for a long-term answer; they're looking for a 2-3 year solution while they continue to develop the room. They understand that this isn't a 1 year fix, IMO. The LB room wasn't overhauled in a year. Hell, the DBs weren't even if it seems like they were (and it took a middle-class veteran to get there). We're still plugging away at rebuilding the DL. For as aggressive as Veach can be, the only complete 1-season overhaul he managed was the OL and even that took some blind dumb luck with Smith (and the successful transition of Wylie to RT).

And I think Ridley fits what we do really well. He can work underneath or deep. He's fluid but physical. He's a nice fit.

So I could see them going with Egbuka in the 1st, signing Ridley and maybe even using a 2nd or 3rd on another pass catcher (be it WR or TE). And of course I think they'll keep an eye out for another James sort; a cheap flyer.

Rice
Ridley
Egbuka
Toney
Cheap veteran flyer/Moore (I think he needs to earn his job next year)
Watson/add'l draft pick

O.city 12-14-2023 09:36 AM

I'm over "building the room".

Once you get to the #4 WR in a room, they're all whatever anyway.

Build the top and let the rest sort itself out. We're back to the "franchise QB's don't grow on trees" shit but with WR's. Nah, **** that. We had to trade up and make some moves.

Do that at WR.

DJ's left nut 12-14-2023 09:46 AM

I developed a theory about a decade ago watching Mizzou football and it was essentially that your 3rd WR is what makes/breaks a passing offense. When Mizzou was at its best after Daniel, the throughput wasn't even the QB - it was the ability to run 3 dangerous receivers out there. When that fell to 2, the dropoff in productivity was dramatic. Far more than merely losing a weapon would've suggested.

Because THAT'S when you stretch a defense past its talent level. A lot of teams have 2 credible CBS - very few have 3. If you can put 3 guys out there with the ability to tax the defensive backfield, you create mismatches that are far more difficult to deal with.

I'm not content simply putting a 2nd good WR out there and calling it a day. I think we're better with Rice/Ridley/Egbuka than we would be with Rice/Aiyuk/Toney. It's that ability to pressure the worst player in their defensive backfield that I'm looking for.

O.city 12-14-2023 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17278952)
I developed a theory about a decade ago watching Mizzou football and it was essentially that your 3rd WR is what makes/breaks a passing offense. When Mizzou was at its best after Daniel, the throughput wasn't even the QB - it was the ability to run 3 dangerous receivers out there. When that fell to 2, the dropoff in productivity was dramatic. Far more than merely losing a weapon would've suggested.

Because THAT'S when you stretch a defense past its talent level. A lot of teams have 2 credible CBS - very few have 3. If you can put 3 guys out there with the ability to tax the defensive backfield, you create mismatches that are far more difficult to deal with.

I'm not content simply putting a 2nd good WR out there and calling it a day. I think we're better with Rice/Ridley/Egbuka than we would be with Rice/Aiyuk/Toney. It's that ability to pressure the worst player in their defensive backfield that I'm looking for.

I'm just not going with the drafting guessing game again. We tried, it failed, be done for a bit and use the ones that actually did hit.

Looking at the offenses really chugging this year.....Is the 3rd guy in Dallas making that go or the fact that Ceedee is just a monster and it's a contract year for Dak?


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