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Chief Pagan 09-09-2022 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 16451797)
I get what you're saying, and I agree with your thinking. I was just simply saying if I was an NFL GM, I wouldn't pay Jack...

I mean, sure it's easy to say it's just four games and we can't draw any conclusions on such a small sample size. But can you eliminate the four most important games a player has played when you're discussing paying him a shitload of $40+ million a year for the next six years? I don't think so, personally.

And the NFL salaries just sucks. You are right, there are guys out there that shouldn't be getting this much money. There are a lot of dumb owners and GM's out there.

Some GM is going to give out a guaranteed 200+ million contract and have it blow up in their face...

But the alternative is to let a legitimate starter leave and start trying to draft or trade for one? More often than not that goes poorly.

jjchieffan 09-09-2022 10:44 PM

I want to see the Shit birds pay Lamar a lot of guaranteed money. Not because he deserves it. He doesn't. But because it will hamstring them to him keep them from being a contender for a few more years. Screw the Ravens

ArrowHeader 09-09-2022 10:55 PM

Idk what agent fees are but dealing with this size of a contract talking peanuts. Lamar is a idiot.

BryanBusby 09-09-2022 11:01 PM

I think the problem the Ravens will need to confront is they never made it past the Divisional round with Lamar for cheap. How do they plan to go further when he eats up a quarter of the entire cap?

They're not and should let Lamar go into FA.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-10-2022 12:20 AM

He'd be a perfect Lion

Bowser 09-10-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16452154)
I think the problem the Ravens will need to confront is they never made it past the Divisional round with Lamar for cheap. How do they plan to go further when he eats up a quarter of the entire cap?

They're not and should let Lamar go into FA.

Agreed

chiefzilla1501 09-10-2022 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathByArrows (Post 16451826)
The problem with Baltimore is you have to build an entire defensive playbook to beat them, they're the only team that runs an offense like that and installing that mid-season is a nightmare. I also think top teams hold back in game planning because they don't want them to see some of the looks incase they meet in the post-season.

They aren't losing in the playoffs because they magically forget how to run the football or it's not a winning formula. Running the football is a key to success in the post-season, but teams load the box, stick a spy on Lamar and then dare him to throw 1-on-1 and he's incapable of that, and they don't have enough pass plays on the call sheet when the run game get's stuffed.

For now.

A big part of what they do is complete offensive personnel that was elite at running the ball even with joe Flacco at qb. You can’t afford that with Lamar’s big contract. Elite blockers, terrific runners and dink and dunk guys like Edwards

And they are elite at running the ball because their defense can keep the ravens from passing the ball. That hasn’t really been the case lately and gonna be way harder with all the new cap money.

People talk on and on about how Lamar does all this without weapons. That’s horseshit. He has a system built for him and a small crack in that system sends everything haywire. I actually am less a believer in the health argument since lAmar surprisingly stays away from a lot of big hits. The bigger problem that Baltimore is undoubtedly wrestling with is building a team around lAmar without money to do it

jjchieffan 09-10-2022 10:43 AM

I was listening to SiriusXM NFL radio yesterday. They talked about Lamar off and on all day. One of them, I don't recall who, said that next year they better use the exclusive franchise tag because if they just franchise him, someone will pay him. SMH. That was stupid. I believe that the price for signing someone's franchise player is 2 first round picks. I can't imagine anyone giving up 2 first round picks and meeting Jackson's demand of a Deshaun Watson like contract. That is a worse recipe for disaster that just paying him. The Ravens should hope that someone else is stupid enough to do that. Take the 2 first round picks, roll with Huntley, and end up with high picks when Lamar ultimately fails to meet expectations.

smithandrew051 09-10-2022 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16452154)
I think the problem the Ravens will need to confront is they never made it past the Divisional round with Lamar for cheap. How do they plan to go further when he eats up a quarter of the entire cap?

They're not and should let Lamar go into FA.

Which is exactly why I hope they sign him and keep him.

They draft well enough to stay good, but Lamar puts a ceiling on their success (especially on a big contract).

With a real QB, they might be a major threat in the AFC.

Coach 09-10-2022 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16451932)
Do any of them have a MVP? I don’t disagree with your statement at all, but realistically that MVP will carry far more weight in contract negotiations than it probably should.

To some people sure, winning an MVP may carry more weight. For me, just because someone won an MVP doesn't really move the needle for me, one way or another, to be honest.

Now if he won an MVP and some playoff games and got his team to the AFC/NFC Championship game, then that would be a better sell.

jjchieffan 09-10-2022 11:30 AM

He won the MVP in 2019 and hasn't come close to that year since. The league adjusted and he never will have another year like that. His numbers have regressed every year since. That's what should carry the most weight.

ThyKingdomCome15 09-10-2022 11:32 AM

It's Josh Allen now.

TripleThreat 09-10-2022 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16452154)
I think the problem the Ravens will need to confront is they never made it past the Divisional round with Lamar for cheap. How do they plan to go further when he eats up a quarter of the entire cap?

They're not and should let Lamar go into FA.

I'm in the camp of Lamar Jackson is grossly overrated and we all know the reason why everyone was trying to hype him up so much early in his career just like a few other QB's..

That being said, I think it's a really tough decision because while I think he doesn't suck, he isn't good either, but they don't have anyone that can replace him at this point in time...

Then to your fans, you have a lot of Lamar lovers, and a lot of doubters, so you're going to get some serious backlash if you let him go..

HOWEVER, if you look at russell wilson, he's better than Lamar and Seattle let him go without having a viable option to replace him, so again, its very easy to do, its whether or not the ravens have the spine to do it.

Best22 09-10-2022 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16451945)
Lamar has basically the same career completion % as Kordell Stewart (55.9 vs 55.8).

Huh? Lamar completes 64.1% of his passes

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JackLa00.htm

Coach 09-10-2022 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 16452488)
Huh? Lamar completes 64.1% of his passes

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JackLa00.htm

He's referencing as playoff games. Not the regular season.


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