Drafting him early and often in FF. He's going to be targeted a ton. Who the **** else is going to get yards and TDs in that offense?

Counterpoint, who else does the opposing team really need to cover? Dude is going to be double teamed often.

Not concerned. Garrett Wilson has been that guy in NY, and if he had even average QB play, he'd be putting up big numbers. He's constantly open. Nabers is a better prospect than Wilson was too.

Also, Hyatt will at least get some attention with his speed and big play ability.

I doubt the Giants get average QB play

Daniel Jones when healthy has at least been average. In terms of the passing game, he's never had a legit weapon either.

He's certainly significantly better than Zach Wilson.

I agree.

Remember when Cassel and Bowe had career years bc Bowe was our only downfield receiving threat? I think that’s exactly what will happen here

The Daniel Jones v. Trevor Lawrence stats are jarring.

They've been damn near the exact same dude.

Jones isn't a guy who has varied mechanics or operates well in a maelstrom, but when given time, space and weapons - he's not a bad pure thrower of the football.

His problem is that when things go sideways, he's not the guy you want trying to right the ship. He becomes a less talented version of Bad Josh Allen. Tries to do the same stuff, has nowhere near the physical tools of Allen and will somehow be even more braindead than Allen can be at those moments.

He's a frontrunner. I honestly wonder what he'd look like somewhere like SF where he has a really good supporting cast and weapons, as well as consistent quality coaching that may keep him from losing his mind. I think he's absolutely more talented than Brock Purdy.

Nabers is a much better prospect than Garrett Wilson was, IMO.

Noticing that in FF I like all the players I was doubting in the draft lol not sure what that says about my analysis

McConkey
Worthy
Mitchell

Go figure.

Odunze is the guy I could see underperforming expectations simply due to him having 2 high-qaulity vets on the roster ahead of him.

Can anyone honestly say they hate Keon Coleman? I love the kids personality, would be a shame now if he doesn't turn into a guy and ****ing hate the Bills lol

2025 NFL Draft: One offensive player to watch for all 32 NFL teams

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2025-...l-32-nfl-teams

https://i.imgur.com/u3LgfQf.png

I really liked this dude last season but he ended up staying for his Sr. year.

Yes, please.

Whoo-boi... DraftBuzz compares him to Pickens, Mingo, & Rice. Interesting.

Right now on paper it looks like he'd be a target to replace Hollywood, if he doesn't stay here.

I'm hoping Hollywood goes nuts and we keep him, but who isn't currently.

More Horton posts from last fall. We'll see how he continues to develop, but in my opinion a WR trio of Rice, Worthy, and Horton would be a really solid, cost-controlled (for 2 seasons) group.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-theme="dark"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of my favorite early comps for 2025 is Tory Horton to George Pickens.<br><br>Size-speed freaks. Horton’s top speed of 23.1 MPH was fastest in nation for WRs. He’s 6-2, 190. <br><br>Also, both DAWGS in the run-game. Horton’s 79.4 blocking grade was 8th in nation.<br> <a href="https://t.co/QZW43D8deS">pic.twitter.com/QZW43D8deS</a></p>&mdash; Max Chadwick (@MaxChadwickCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaxChadwickCFB/status/1794772720128790646?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-theme="dark"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Outstanding body control + extension from Colorado State WR Tory Horton.<br><br>Finished just south of 100 catches last season. Will take aim at multiple program receiving records in the fall. <a href="https://t.co/fli1kKdC5b">pic.twitter.com/fli1kKdC5b</a></p>&mdash; Cole Topham (@crtopham_) <a href="https://twitter.com/crtopham_/status/1796226948588519475?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-theme="dark"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just here to remind you that Tory Horton is that dude. One of my favorite players in the 2025 class. 🔥<a href="https://t.co/L7rBHCKjgI">pic.twitter.com/L7rBHCKjgI</a></p>&mdash; The Mock Draft Guy ™️ (@MockDraftGuyYT) <a href="https://twitter.com/MockDraftGuyYT/status/1796171317772722653?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Will he be available at #32?

Depends on how his Senior year plays out. Lots of variables, like the play of CSU's QB, O-line, etc.

If he gets through it injury-free and puts up similar or better numbers than he did last season, it certainly wouldn't be a lock that he'd still be there at 32.

He reminds me of a little faster, little quicker version of Allen Robinson - before Robinson's talent completely disappeared. He'd give us a nice young trio. Worthy would be the speed guy, Rice would be the strong YAC monster, and Horton as the 6'2" outside guy who just happens to have a great hands/route running/speed combination.

I like Hollywood and I think he's going to ball out this season as long as he stays relatively healthy, but I think he's one-and-done in KC, which is fine. Smart move by him, and smart move by the Chiefs.

Buddy of mine is a lifelong TB fan and, on a sidenote, he's a coach for his kid's HS football team in Ft. Myers FL. So he knows a little more than the average fan about the game. He told me that Canales was okay last season, but not great. He got bogged down trying to establish the run early on, to the point local fans were calling him "run, run, pass Canales," during their losing streak.

According to my buddy, Baker bailed him out of some situations last year once Canales finally started asking Mayfield to throw the ball more and using the short passing game in place of a traditional running attack. So it was a collaboration more than Canales leading Baker to a career season.

Now, that's a long way from being a bad coach. Obviously, he's better than a whole slew of OCs right now.

But I won't be terribly surprised if CAR offense struggles through the first half of the year with that QB and offensive roster.

With all due respect to your buddy, gotta break down more than his pass/run splits to determine if Canales is going to be able to develop Bryce Young. Baker obviously enjoyed his best season as a pro last year throwing for over 4000 yards for the first time in his career and was also able to minimize the turnovers which has hurt him in the past. Lets not forget that Canales also was largely credited in aiding Geno Smith's 2022 comeback to relevancy.

So there are two pretty good examples of players enjoying their best season under Canales' watch. He seems to be doing a better job than most getting more out of players than other coaching regimes have in the past. Nothing is a for sure thing but it will be interesting if he is able to extract more out of Bryce Young. Hell even from 2010-2017 Canales was the receivers coach with the Seahawks and I thought he got the most out of those players. (Baldwin, Tate, Lockett, etc).

I don't really question his prowess or mind but sometimes coordinators aren't ready for the HC role (Spags for example). I think his biggest challenge is that he is trying to develop a very important piece for Carolina but now is responsible for so much more of the overall team and identity.

Will be interesting how it plays out.

Oh he went way deep into it, including breaking down gamelogs, play-calls, in-game decisions. I just was never going to type all of that out.

Again, not saying Canales is a bad OC. To be clearer, I think he did a heck of a job. But further analysis seems to suggest that he wasn't the QB guru/offensive genius that some are making him out to be after last season's success. In other words, he got a little lucky as well.


I do think he'll get Bryce to perform better. I just also won't be surprised if that doesn't happen until after some struggles, because he's going to be working with less at key positions, like QB.

BTJ set up for success in JAX too I think

Read a couple of interesting camp articles about this years WRs...

~"Legette has failed to impress in camp, with no standout plays and is behind Mingo on the depth chart and fixin to come off the bench currently."

~"J. Baker might be outshining J. Polk in NE as their next top WR, having shined during camp."

Please add any relative rumors!

I'd give Legette some time. He was extremely raw with only one year of real production. But man does he have some physical skills. Listening to him talk gave you an idea that his learning curve might be a tad longer than some who come into the league ready to roll.

But if he can learn an offense and the nuances of the position, he could be a force. Because he's that physically talented, good at contested catches, catches with his hands, tracks the ball well, and can fly for a guy that big.

J. Burton and J. McMillan doing very well.

R. Pearsall and R Wilson injured.

T. Franklin has been mainly meh.

Not a WR but Theo Johnson looking to be the starting TE for NYG.

I think Carolina's roster was AWFUL last year so I willing to wait see what Young can do throwing to more than the ghost of Adam Thielen.

I'm hearing that Brenden Rice won't make the 53 man roster, likely to lose out to Simi Fehoko.

Troy Franklin might red shirt in Denver:

https://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/2024/...s-in-2024.html

Luke McCaffrey not popping either:

https://x.com/NickMensio/status/1827...q7xdBmlbYoLDLg

BTJ Preseason Grade on CBS:

23. Brian Thomas Jr., WR, Jaguars
Grade: A

Thomas Jr. averaged 17.3 yards per snag in his final season at LSU and continued to act as a splash-play specialist in the preseason, with three catches for 93 yards. Remember, this is a nearly 6-foot-3, 210-pounder with 4.33 speed.

Damn, congrats to him!

I haven't been paying close attention to CAR obviously, but I think I remember seeing a couple reports that they really went out and tried to upgrade their offensive pieces, though besides Diontae Johnson, I couldn't tell you exactly who they got.


For Young's sake, I hope they did, and I hope Canales finds ways to keep him from getting killed. Just don't believe that Canales is some offensive magician. I feel pretty strongly that Baker had a pretty significant influence on TB's offensive successes last year, and that it should really be looked at as more of a collaborative season, rather than some miraculous rescue mission by Canales. Ymmv.

Their RB is a really nice player that they drafted. But he will start the year hurt.

They also added Legette as well as Diontae to Thielen and Mingo. Plus they added J'Tavion Sanders who a bunch of us were looking at for KC at tight end.

Never understood what people saw in this guy. And I have many posts saying that even before watching him butcher the combine.

He's been everything he was advertised to be and maybe more. With Kirk, Engram, Etienne, Gabe Davis, and Thomas, Jags have a lot of weapons.

I knew he sucked when I couldn't ever remember his first name. Everytime I thought of the dude, his name always popped out to me as Tony Franklin.

Going to Denver just confirmed he sucks.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Holy crap. <br><br>I&#39;m hearing that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#49ers</a> Rookie first-round pick Ricky Pearsall got shot in a robbery attempt.<br><br>Prayers up ��<br><br>Hope it&#39;s not true and hope if it is true he&#39;s alright.</p>&mdash; Nick Newman (@NinerNick_22) <a href="https://twitter.com/NinerNick_22/status/1830024367314706523?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jags also have LRZ.

So turns out that Xavier Worthy kid's pretty good.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AD Mitchell was *3* better balls away from having a pretty awesome NFL debut <a href="https://t.co/vrZy5cVkUy">pic.twitter.com/vrZy5cVkUy</a></p>&mdash; Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ihartitz/status/1833150394958049598?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Marvin Harrison Jr. NFL debut highlights ���� <a href="https://t.co/hWFRuLUy0k">pic.twitter.com/hWFRuLUy0k</a></p>&mdash; NFL Memes (@NFL_Memes) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1832884695102546400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Yeah, a lot of these guys are pretty good.

Damn. Both were wide open.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WR Leaders by Separation Score in Week 1<br>+ <a href="https://twitter.com/FantasyPtsData?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FantasyPtsData</a> <br><br>1. Adonai Mitchell (0.647) ����<br>2. Mike Evans (0.609)<br>3. George Pickens (0.450) ��<br>4. Jameson Williams (0.444) ��<br>5. Ja&#39;Lynn Polk (0.389) ��<br>6. CeeDee Lamb (0.357)<br>7. Luke McCaffrey (0.300) ��<br>8. Nico Collins (0.250)</p>&mdash; Scott Barrett (@ScottBarrettDFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/1833547943569391870?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Credit to AD Mitchell being a good player but as a Chiefs fan watching that I can’t help but think of us scoring at will on the Texans with that horrible secondary

I wanted AD but Worthy will be just as valuable to us this year. I do think AD is going to be a beast, wish we had both.



Texans with that horrible secondary Yeah, they have some good players but Colts WR's were running open at will.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Good chance to check out <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Arizona?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Arizona</a> WR Tetairoa McMillan tonight vs. Kansas State. <br><br>T-Mac started the season as my WR1 and the No. 6 overall prospect on the top-50.</p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1834745936716689523?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bro is an absolute beast

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">50-50s are 90-10s with Tetairoa McMillan. <a href="https://t.co/VkRlMcA0dA">pic.twitter.com/VkRlMcA0dA</a></p>&mdash; Christian Williams (@CWilliamsNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/CWilliamsNFL/status/1834757852252024860?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Rather have Luther Burden