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htismaqe 07-12-2021 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC (Post 15738489)
So, what's the likelihood of Clark playing this season for the Chiefs or in general?

All up in the air at this point.

If he pleads not guilty on Wednesday (knowing that his second court date for the second incident isn't until October) he probably won't miss any time this year at all because it will drag out so long.

If he pleads guilty on Wednesday, that could set all kinds of wheels in motion, not the least of which is a potential of voiding of his contract guarantees.

Rain Man 07-12-2021 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15738537)
All up in the air at this point.

If he pleads not guilty on Wednesday (knowing that his second court date for the second incident isn't until October) he probably won't miss any time this year at all because it will drag out so long.

If he pleads guilty on Wednesday, that could set all kinds of wheels in motion, not the least of which is a potential of voiding of his contract guarantees.

Based on that, I would advise him to plead not guilty.

I always find stuff like that funny, though. They catch a guy redhanded and there's no ambiguity, but they will plead not guilty, which is technically perjury, right? Or is the plea exempt from that, since everyone who is found guilty would end up getting a perjury charge?


I like that a guy can walk into a bank with cameras all over him, brandish eight machine guns and two grenades and a bazooka, yell for everyone to get down, blow up the vault with the bazooka, carry out eighteen bags of money, then get wrestled to the ground by 15 cops, and then he stands in court and pleads not guilty.

htismaqe 07-12-2021 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15738563)
Based on that, I would advise him to plead not guilty.

I always find stuff like that funny, though. They catch a guy redhanded and there's no ambiguity, but they will plead not guilty, which is technically perjury, right? Or is the plea exempt from that, since everyone who is found guilty would end up getting a perjury charge?


I like that a guy can walk into a bank with cameras all over him, brandish eight machine guns and two grenades and a bazooka, yell for everyone to get down, blow up the vault with the bazooka, carry out eighteen bags of money, then get wrestled to the ground by 15 cops, and then he stands in court and pleads not guilty.

That's the glory of our legal system. You're either guilty or not guilty. He could have done all those things but there may be circumstances that dictate he be found not guilty. There's technically no such thing as "innocent".

htismaqe 07-12-2021 03:41 PM

And while it may seem prudent from a football standpoint to plead not guilty and drag it out, the commish could still put him on the exempt list - he doesn't need a legal reason.

Furthermore, it might be suicidal from a legal standpoint to not plead down to a misdemeanor from the felony charge. Hypothetically, he goes to trial and gets found guilty for both incidents. He plays in 2021 and then goes to prison or some shit and never plays again versus serving a suspension in 2021 and moving on from there.

wazu 07-12-2021 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15738567)
And while it may seem prudent from a football standpoint to plead not guilty and drag it out, the commish could still put him on the exempt list - he doesn't need a legal reason.

Furthermore, it might be suicidal from a legal standpoint to not plead down to a misdemeanor from the felony charge. Hypothetically, he goes to trial and gets found guilty for both incidents. He plays in 2021 and then goes to prison or some shit and never plays again versus serving a suspension in 2021 and moving on from there.

It's interesting. If he gets on the Commish's exempt list I believe that means he gets paid while on it. Looks like that means around $19M. So could be a decision between $19M or risking jail time. Sportrac says he's earned $50M in his career, but if his money management is anything like his gun management he might not want to let that 2021 salary go.

Hoover 07-12-2021 03:54 PM

I have a hard time thinking Clark would go on the exempt list over a gun infraction. I understand that what he did was illegal, stupid, and wrong, but NFL players getting pinched for firearms infractions could become common, and I don't know if its worth pinching a guy when nobody was hurt in any way shape or form.

Now a four game suspension? Sure.

Bill Brasky 07-12-2021 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15738570)
It's interesting. If he gets on the Commish's exempt list I believe that means he gets paid while on it. Looks like that means around $19M. So could be a decision between $19M or risking jail time. Sportrac says he's earned $50M in his career, but if his money management is anything like his gun management he might not want to let that 2021 salary go.

A couple updates on Frank’s money management, or lack thereof.

https://twitter.com/therealfrankc_/s...87120955207685

https://twitter.com/TheRealFrankC_/s...715074/photo/1

TribalElder 07-12-2021 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Brasky (Post 15738598)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaRKTKqX...jpg&name=large

UZI in the bag right there

Bowser 07-12-2021 04:16 PM

That's a man living like he's going to be making 20 mil a year for the rest of his life.

kcclone 07-12-2021 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15738605)
That's a man living like he's going to be making 20 mil a year for the rest of his life.

Yeah that’s why I’ve always thought that the NFL PA should negotiate higher pensions and take less money upfront.

If they could figure out a way to make a big name guy like Clark earn $500k/yr for the rest his life after retirement and lower the up front money, I think a lot of players would benefit.

It will never happen but I’m sure a lot of former players wish their structure was less up front and stronger on the back end.

Pitt Gorilla 07-12-2021 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15738579)
I have a hard time thinking Clark would go on the exempt list over a gun infraction. I understand that what he did was illegal, stupid, and wrong, but NFL players getting pinched for firearms infractions could become common, and I don't know if its worth pinching a guy when nobody was hurt in any way shape or form.

Now a four game suspension? Sure.

Need to figure out whatever it takes to get his salary off the books and file those papers.

Bowser 07-12-2021 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kcclone (Post 15738618)
Yeah that’s why I’ve always thought that the NFL PA should negotiate higher pensions and take less money upfront.

If they could figure out a way to make a big name guy like Clark earn $500k/yr for the rest his life after retirement and lower the up front money, I think a lot of players would benefit.

It will never happen but I’m sure a lot of former players wish their structure was less up front and stronger on the back end.

I sincerely don't see why more pro athletes just don't do this -

https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/b...tract-payments

Marcellus 07-12-2021 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15738579)
I have a hard time thinking Clark would go on the exempt list over a gun infraction. I understand that what he did was illegal, stupid, and wrong, but NFL players getting pinched for firearms infractions could become common, and I don't know if its worth pinching a guy when nobody was hurt in any way shape or form.

Now a four game suspension? Sure.

Yup this is the perfect example of a victimless crime. I have a hard time seeing the commissioner putting him on the exempt list. Its going to have to play out.

FanOfRED 07-12-2021 07:58 PM

That's what he gets for going to a Communist country

-King- 07-12-2021 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15738766)
I sincerely don't see why more pro athletes just don't do this -

https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/b...tract-payments

That's not something they can just "do". That was just an astronomically stupid FO decision fueled by the fact that they were conned by Bernie Madoff.


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