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My two favorite of the 2nd group of WR's went in the 1st round; Worthy and Legette.
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I have just one piece to say before I embrace trusting veach again. The Chiefs have never had a problem moving the ball down the field, and this pick doesn't help us in the red zone. Why can't we ever go find a legitimate red zone target? Okay. In veach I trust.
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I think Worthy helps back off teams which will make our offense much better but that is a solid point. Hopefully there is a Tight End with freak measurables we grab cheaply in the next few rounds. |
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Anyone else a bit surprised by the Pearsall to SF pick? Maybe the Legette pick?
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Bills gonna take Franklin.
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Corley > Franklin is the surprise of the draft so far
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I hope we get him and Wright in the 4th! |
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Thinking it has to be a knee or something. |
Luke McCaffrey also!
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21 Jaelen Reagor 22 Justin Jefferson I am sure there was person just as dumb as you who rubbed it in a Jefferson fan's face as a gotcha after the 2020 draft. LMAO Whoops. Hate to break it to you but the players now actually get on the field. You might want to slow your victory celebration. |
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Why did Franklin fall so far? It makes no sense, unless he is injured, or has some character concerns that teams found out about.
****. Denver got Nix and Franklin. The Chargers got Alt, McConkey, and Brenden Rice. And the Raiders? Well, it appears that AP wants to put his own stamp on the team by taking the star TE, because he needs to prove that his star TE is better than the star TE the last guy drafted last year. That is competent drafting by the Chargers and Broncos, and I don't like it. Thank goodness the Chargers team doctors will probably maim most of the players at some point next season. And the Broncos are still under the weight of that trade and contract for a failed Subway spokesperson. |
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Franklin is this year's Hyatt. Easily disrupted by physical corners and press coverage, one trick pony for route running, etc. I can't see it being off the field issues, even Jermaine Burton went before him and JB is a total douche according to literally everyone that's ever been around him. Maybe there was a lingering injury, but unless it's massive, I can't see it causing him to drop that far. Zak Zinter's leg exploded and he didn't drop that far. |
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The Broncos draft was shit because they took Bo Nix 12th overall for a team that's nowhere close to winnning. Franklin was by far the best pick, but there has to be a reason he fell despite being a consensus top 50 guy. As for the Chargers, they had a top 5 pick, so kind of hard to completely **** that up. I'll say this, I'm just glad they didn't end up with something like Naber/Oduze and Newton, or Alt and A.D. Mitchell. In the grand scheme of things, it could've been a lot worse, and despite having a top 5 pick, it's not any better than ours. |
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McConkey makes sense considering he’s an intermediate weapon with long speed that will immediately line up in the slot while Palmer/Johnston line up outside. Don’t like that they got Cam Hart bc we all really liked him. Raiders did well too IMO. Didn’t panic at QB like Denver. Took the blue chip TE and got 2 quality OL prospects. Denver had the worst draft IMO. They reached badly on Nix and then took an another small project rusher and a slow bruising RB. Their best picks by far were Franklin and the MU corner |
Safe to say all of our division rivals will be terrible.
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Johnny Wilson could end up being an absolute steal in the 6th.
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Did he actually "fall" or did he go about where teams valued him. Most of the hype on him was from randos on Twitter and the analytic bros. Daniel Jeremiah has him as prospect 76. By the time we got to the 2nd teams were just grabbing guys they liked or scheme fits. |
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Not only did I not think Reagor was going to be better than Justin Jefferson, I had Jefferson as the top player in that draft other than Burrow. As soon as I watched the combine I posted that Jefferson “just made a pile of cash” and laughed at Reagor’s 20 yd shuttle because it was slower than Mahomes’ 3 years earlier. Last year I had Zay Flowers #1 and Rice #2. I liked Puka, but I didn’t think he’d get ROTY. My dislike of Hyatt was also well-documented. This year I have Nabers as not only the #1 WR, but as the best player in this draft. I like MHJr and Odunze, but Nabers will be better than all of them. My dislike of Troy Franklin was well-documented even before I saw him butcher the combine and plummet to the 4th. My dislike of Tez Walker has been well-documented since the Senior Bowl practices, long before he sank to the 4th. Me liking Worthy and Legette is also well-documented. I’ll put my track record in terms of WR and CB - the 2 positions I played - evaluation up against anyone’s. Especially yours. LMAO The only WR issue I’ve been wrong about in recent history was buying into the Skyy Moore route videos last summer, but I did counterbalance that by saying before the season (and before he tweaked his knee) that i wasn’t counting on anything at all from KT and that any production we got from him “would be gravy”. Edit: Tez Walker, not Dez Walker |
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So were you wrong on Jefferson when Reagor went higher than him?! ;) |
Kansas City Chiefs
Did the Chiefs do enough to improve at wide receiver? The top six receivers on the Chiefs' depth chart are Marquise "Hollywood" Brown, Xavier Worthy, Rashee Rice, Kadarius Toney, Skyy Moore and Justin Watson. There's plenty of talent, but not much in terms of sure things. Brown is new, Worthy is a rookie, and Rice is battling legal issues, while Toney and Moore are coming off deeply disappointing seasons. It wouldn't be a bad idea for the Chiefs to bring in a veteran before camp for depth. -- Adam Teicher Per Teicher's suggestion who's your preferred vet WR to add to our roster? |
It’s amazing how someone could be so off and then refuse to eat the crow. But instead create a straw man argument over something that happened 3 years ago to deflect from the idiotic things he said.
Just eat your humble pie, admit you were wrong. And move on. Damn, for someone who claims to be an expert on alphas, you sure don’t act like one. AMAZING!!! |
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How about Renfrow? ...I hear he's a top route runner for short to intermediate slot WRs. Tyler Boyd? Spotrac has him at $8m. DJ Chark has been tossed around this site for years... How about MVS? Hardman? or Richie James returning? Is another WR overkill or the final cherry on top? |
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BTJ doomed with the Jags? ...If I were him I woulda been praying for a Chiefs jersey.
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Zay Jones just got cut.
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Im totally fine with the room the way it is. The ONLY vet receiver i'd be interested in is OBJ and even still, im not all that interested.....any guy you bring in is only going to take snaps from Worthy and Rice, who are two guys that are most important to develop. Toney still has scintillating potential, so he gets one more chance, and he gives us a great option as a returner. Also, Rice's development last season HAS to be seen as an addition THIS season. I feel like that gets skimmed by when talking about the WR room. |
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"We can't afford to add these WR's at these prices they're getting paid"
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Teicher is saying "there's no sure thing here" ... but at this point in FA, you're not adding sure things. No interest in Renfrow or Boyd, at all. Valdes-Scantling and Hardman are not the type of WR they would need to add now, as they duplicate the skill sets of Brown and Worthy. Beckham Jr. might add something to the WR room, but I wouldn't want Worthy or Rice missing snaps for him, and they would if he was here. And I don't want him stewing on the sidelines about his usage, either. The room is what the room is going to be. They'll lean into 12 sets a bit more if Rice misses some time, but otherwise, the room is full, and a one-year veteran addition is just going to slow down the progression of the exciting young guys with talent, and potentially destroy the chemistry in the group. |
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AD Mitchells health was an issue but on top of that he point blank told GMs he didn't go 100% everyplay as a strategy to setup CBs, apparenly telling GM's you don't go 100 every play was not a smart move. |
After the Kelce contract redo I don’t think that they will bring back Hollywood. But that’s okay.
Get a guy with your extra 3rd next year. Jalen Hyatt, Tez Walker, Troy Franklin, Jermaine Burton etc to be WR3. Those guys will be there Oh and **** the Bengals. I hate that they got Burton. He’s gonna make them forget all about Tyler Boyd |
Yeah Troy Franklin had a terrible combine from expectations. Came in a lot lighter than people thought he’d be, 40 was underwhelming considering people thought he’d be in the 4.3 range, his 10 yard split was terrible and he was by far the worst in the gauntlet drill.
There were rumors that he was a pot head too. Not saying that’s true. Also not trying to judge but he looks like a pot head lol |
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Damn it.
Keon Coleman's going to be a ****ing star. I'm tellin ya! If you haven't seen it yet, they made a youtube showcasing his first 24 hours with the Bills. His personality is already winning him lot's of fans in the league, he's... a character, but in an ingratiating way that makes you wanna root for the kid. This kid HAS IT. Good for him. I'm happy with Worthy, but I have a gut feeling the negative metrics surrounding his game and all the naysayers disappear once he gets on the field. Expect him to be mic'd up and appearing in a lot of interviews this year. |
X-Worthy got himself a Chiefs tattoo, hurray.
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I know it won't happen, but I would love anyone to replace Moore on this roster.
I would rather have midget Phillip Brooks playing WR than Skyy Moore. I have never disliked a Chiefs player more than I dislike Moore and Toney. I didn't even dislike Williams Bartee or Philip Gaines this much. In fact, I didn't even dislike Ben Niemann this much. And I hated the fact that Ben Niemann was anything other than a special teamer. |
Maybe Nikko Remigio can take Moore’s spot. I thought he flashed a couple times in preseason last year.
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"Matt Bowen, NFL analyst: Bills wide receiver Keon Coleman will lead all rookies in touchdown receptions this season. With quarterback Josh Allen's aggressive throwing mentality, Coleman will get opportunities on vertical concepts and inside the red zone. Coleman has the frame (6-foot-3, 213 pounds), plus the playmaking ball skills to cash in here."
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I am suspicious of a guy with such a high rate of contested catches throughout his career (it was 1/4 of all targets) and also such a shitty conversion rate (he converted about 40 percent of his contested catch situations against Big 10 and ACC corners. NFL corners gonna shut that shit down). I think he's going to be massively disappointing and Allen is going to throw picks trying to squeeze it into him, then eventually give up and give those targets to Shakir and Kincaid instead (guys who can actually separate and get open). |
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Precise passers can be underneath guys; dink and dunk sorts because the low reward is offset by low risk. But guys with the erratic ball placement that Allen demonstrates on occasion need to be pushing the ball downfield more. If Allen's gonna miss, at least miss downfield where your guy can maybe adjust and a turnover at least acts like a mediocre punt. But if you're missing close, there's little your guy can do, he's probably gonna get blasted and an interception can go the other way. Moreover, if you DON'T miss, you gain 7 yards and have to do it all over again the next play. There's this sentiment among fans (and some teams) that inaccurate passers should work short and I just don't agree. If you're not super accurate - be Eli Manning. Short passing games should be reserved for guys like Alex Smith who have good timing/precision but lack aggression and arm strength. For Bo Nix. And Coleman's a guy who's going to work best in a shorter passing system, IMO. It's just a bad QB/WR/System fit, IMO. |
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Moved on to FF mock drafts, go figure.
Came here to say HOLY SHIT, Justin Jefferson only played 10 games and had 1k+ yards last season lol that's crazy! Also, didn't realize CeeDee had such an incredibl 1.7k yard season last year either! |
"How was your first time on the Bills field Keon?"
~"Awe, man! I was only out there for like 30 seconds, but I scored 3 imaginary TDs. That must be an imaginary record!" lol kid's pretty funny. |
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Now that these WR's have landed with their new teams, which rookie WRs do you think will be most successful in year 1?
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1. Nabers 2. Harrison 3. McConkey 4. Coleman 5. Worthy *Bonus: Burton fills Boyd shoes in Cincy and Corley shows out too |
Most successful in year 1... hmm...
1. Marvin Harrison, Jr. (ARZ) - The kid is a stud and he's going to be the go-to guy for Murray. 2. Ja'Lynn Polk (NE) - Brissett will need to count on someone and Polk is a chain mover. 3. Malik Nabers (NYG) - Even though Danny Dimes is unlikely to light the world on fire, Nabers easily presents the most consistent skill set and they'll undoubtedly try to run their offense through him. 4. Keon Coleman (BUF) - Coleman is a possession type who should see a high volume of targets with a bunch of slot options outside of him. 5. Xavier Worthy (KC) - With Rice likely to miss significant time and Pat at QB, he's going to make plays. Honorable Mention: Roman Wilson (PIT) - Van Jefferson is okay but he's not a high-volume player so someone will need to take up the slack opposite Pickens. |
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I think Nabers will be the best weapon in the draft. Harrison slides right in as a stalwart #1 in ARZ rookie year, but not as flashy as Nabers. McConkey is gonna get so many targets, they're offensive weapons suck! Coleman gonna get a lot of red zone targets. Worthy is in the best possible place for him to shine. |
Pearsall could become something quickly if Deebo or Aiyuk are traded. I think he could replace what Aiyuk does at this point, and if given the opportunity he’s probably a top rookie performer quickly.
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