I don't really care who wins the battle between West and Spiller. Both will rarely see snaps as Ware/Hunt will gobble the snap count. West hasn't really shown anything that makes him indispensable. He can't afford to have back to back down seasons.

May the best man win.

West is a very good receiving threat and is explosive.

That's my issue though, when healthy, spiller is explosive as well. He's just not healthy very often the past couple years

We need to win a super bowl ring for DJ. He deserves it more than anybody on this team

He wasn't last year....

The jury is still out on West. He had a good season followed by a down season. Like i said, he needs another good season, and that starts with staying healthy and putting in a strong camp.

The fans deserve it too.

Who knows what happens with this team. So far, the Reid administration is not one for predictable roster moves. Would anyone be TRULY surprised if final cuts left the QBs as:

Smith
Mahomes
Stave

with Bray being traded or cut? I know it's nowhere near the odds-on favorite, but I didn't expect them to cut Murray so unceremoniously, either.

I didn't expect Maclin cut.

And Poe not re-signed.

I didn't expect Chris Jones to be the leader of the DL. Or Bennie Logan to be starting. Or Terrence Mitchell to be unseating Gaines.

This team is unpredictable, and I love it.

That's bold of you.Way to go out on a limb.

4 years, not a couple, FOUR.

The dude was dumped by the ****ing Jets, man.

Dustin was drafted same year and he deserves a medal for not having his leg fall off.

Stave has absolutely no business being on this team or any team. He is the definition of camp fodder. Bray will lucky make this team or dropped for another if Chiefs can find someone of some value to them out of the heap pile. Every team has to cut to 53 but i forget the deadline.

Maclin deserved to be cut, so it wasn't truly a surprise, other than the timing. Poe's play has been on the decline since back surgery in 2015, so letting him walk was a no-brainer. Since they paid Bennie Logan $8 million, I expected him to start. Phillip Gaines is made of glass, so being unseated by a guy that can stay healthy isn't a surprise, either.

The biggest issue this roster has faced since Reid arrived is the QB position, especially the 3rd QB position. Daniel and Foles won games for the Chiefs, so I'm sure that whomever Reid chooses to be the #2 can come in an dink and dunk his way to a victory.

But the 3rd string developmental guy that can become a solid, long term #2 has alluded him. Murray and Hogan weren't the answer. It's hard to believe but after 4 years, no one knows if Bray is capable of leading this team to a win if the starter or backup is injured and Stave seems like a Practice Squad arm.

If they actually let Smith go before the 2018 season, the Chiefs will need not one but two QB's to back up the starter, something they haven't had much success with in the draft.

Was he awful at TC last weekend?

He was bad in college.

Doubting the MVP is like hating Jesus and loving Communism.

I agree.

I stated we lost the Pitt game mainly because of Smith.

he appeared in 6 games last year and 13 the previous year for the saints. While with the saints he didnt get many touches because of the Logjam at RB, and the saints dont run the ball much anyway. Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, Khiry Robinson.

The guy has only had a little over 900 offensive touches in the NFL. to put that in perspective Jamaal Charles has had over 1600 in almost the same amount of time.

I think Spiller still has some in the tank.

The Chiefs worked out Kicker Conrad Ukropina from Stanford. He set basically every single Stanford kicking record

He had 112 yards in 2015 with the Saints and 18 yards combined between the Jets and Seahawks in 2016.

He's 30 years old and hasn't had a decent season since 2013, when he rushed for 933 yards.

He was 26 years old at the time.

If he was "bad" in college, there's no way he'd be on the Chiefs roster.

He must have something that Reid likes or he wouldn't have been signed to the PS last year or have made the cut through OTA's and minicamps.

That said, he's far from a guaranteed roster spot and I look forward to seeing him on the field Friday night.

He's the 4th stringer man. He was bad hell Jake Heaps was awful in college and played in some pre season games. Stave sucks it's a waste of reps Mahomes should be getting.

I hope you're right. Nobody on this board would be happier if he makes the Chiefs 53 than I would

Pat makes it look so easy

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I haven't heard much about conley. I'm not high on that dude.

He has been buried behind good running backs since leaving Buffalo. I already stated who he was behind in NO. In NY he was behind Matt Forte and Bilal Powell. And he was only with seattle for 2 games. The guy is not here to be the number one . He is depth, who may get on the field once in a while. I trust him to do more on the field than West.

Eh Stave hardly got any reps before they would go to different drills. He may have gotten a rep or two compared to Tyler & Patrick 5 or 6 reps each and Alex several.

I think several times he didn't get any reps for practice. Like the under center exchange and handoff to the running back I think he only got one rep and that was right in front of us but they move on quickly when someone blows the air horn to the next drill. I couldn't tell you if he sucked or not because of his lack of opportunity. They also had other drills going on at the same time I probably didn't pay as much attention to him.

Damn he's done

Nicki Jhabvala @NickiJhabvala
CJ Anderson will play no more than 3 series with first team. Jamaal Charles will NOT play Thursday.

The more time passes...the more you realize Charles will be the last to accept his career is over.

Shame he went out crying to the press...another accurate move by Dorsey.

Oh, come on. He's done.

He's got talent and speed but at age 30 and with multiple injuries over the years, his body won't be able to withstand the pounding of a 16 game season, even if he's just a kick returner and 3rd down back.

Dorsey had zero choice in the matter.

Beside the fact that Charles wasn't healthy and still isn't healthy, Dorsey ****ed up the cap so badly that Charles and his $5.3 million dollar cap hit had to go.

That's not entirely true...Charles said they didn't even try to offer a new contract. His bloated cap hit played a part...no doubt, but they also didnt think he had anything left.

And why would they? He's done, man.

Done.

Also, he bitched about the Chiefs not asking him to restructure, then blabbed an all out assault against the Chiefs while praising the Broncos.

Can you imagine what would have happened if he had been asked to restructure?

Dude's a pampered baby.

Also..Dorsey structured Charles's contract that he could be cut without any dead money on the books. So it wasn't that terrible...

I've been hoping since the day he signed with the Donks that he was done and wouldn't make the team. I loved watching him play. But I will be done with him if he is effective at all for the cheating Donks.

He was overpaid and earned more than $7 million in 2016 for 12 rushing attempts.

It was a bad contract for the Chiefs.

Yeah..but when they signed him..he was like 50% of the offense and the only legitimate offensive superstar...showed good faith in the veterans that produced.

Nobody can plan on career ending injuries...you wouldn't sign anyone.

Dude, Dorsey repeatedly gave out shitty contracts, whether it was Bowe or Maclin or Charles or Joe Mays or Dunta Robinson and on and on and on.

He constantly overpaid people, which was part of his undoing.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But at the time that Dorsey re-signed Charles, wasn't that deal viewed to be a very good deal for the Chiefs? If he hadn't gotten hurt, was it really a bad deal? As far as the rest. Yeah. Dorsey overpaid.

They had no choice with Bowe...he was the #2 rated FA WR that year and the draft was horrifically terrible for receivers. You should revisit the list of WRs from that class.. KC didnt have a 2nd round pick either...

That was purely a situational signing...they couldn't go into their/Smith's first season without a #1 WR.

I guess it depends on your perspective. I felt he was overpaid and said as much.

Charles was paid just shy of $23 million dollars for 2014-2016, which averages more than $7 million per year, which is absurd for a running back in today's NFL.

Charles earned $13.2 million in 2015-2016 and the Chiefs paid $32,673 dollars per yard or $2.64 million per TD for those 2 years.

Bad deal.

They had a choice. There was no reason to pay him $11 million per year, just like there was no reason to pay Maclin $11 million per year.

It also had nothing to do with the draft class, as Dorsey made the decision and signed him on March 4th, 2013.

Dude..you're acting like they gave him that contract after he was injured. He was playing great when they extended him...

His decline began in 2014 and he was overpaid

That makes no sense....Bowe would have got that money somewhere. He was franchise tagged the year before.. The FA WR market was barren...and teams were interested.

It had absolutely everything to do with that draft/FA class...KC had the #1 pick...then nothing until the 3rd round. Dorsey would have had an extensive amount of information about that WR class.

There are like 2 WRs that produced as a #1 WR level. Hopkins and Allen...Allen being the only one they could have had a shot at. If you want to get all retrospective about it...drafting Allen in third would have cost them Kelce.

Okay, sure, just excuse every ****ing mistake made by Dorsey.

:rolleyes:

What a bunch of horseshit.

I'm somewhere in between you 2. Bowe was overpaid. That was a bad signing. But he was our best receiver at the time and our options were limited. I'm not sure what else could have been done. But that's why Dorsey got the big bucks. He was supposed to figure that stuff out. And he has gone on to overpay several others. The most recent was LDT. I like LDT, but there's no way he gets that much on the open market. Things like that have us in cap hell.

He was solid when I went to TC. Saw him on a couple occasions talkin/coaching up other WRs. Plus he stayed after practice with PM, and another WR and worked on hand drills.

$9.4 million in Dead Cap space this year and nearly $5 million next year.

His free agent contracts sucked.

Terez A. Paylor @TerezPaylor
The Chiefs have signed former Penn State kicker Sam Ficken, per sources.

What? I know Santos is gimpy but he had the Doink!

I will pray for my little midget kicker.

Out with a groin injury.

A bad sign.

Ficken is German for "to ****"

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Looks like Bray is not going go down without a fight showing some life that he is up for the task. Just where have all these reports been for Bray all camp? :hmmm:

He's been saving it for when the time counts.

Well if he shows competency Friday night it may not matter how good Patrick looks Bray will be able to keep his job even though Patrick has all the upside.


It's not really geared to be fair but at least Patrick has to earn his spot rather than just given to him and that's good for him to be humble as a first round pick imo. I'd still rather go with Patrick as #2 but still got to see them both in live action ye ye ye ye

May the best man win

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Chiefs QB Mahomes to start second half of preseason opener

ST. JOSEPH, Mo. (AP) -- It has been years since the Kansas City Chiefs gave their fans any reason to stick around after halftime of their preseason opener, when the starters and backups generally take a seat.

That will change Friday night.

Chiefs coach Andy Reid plans to give each of his quarterbacks a full quarter against the San Francisco 49ers. That means Alex Smith will start and veteran backup Tyler Bray will get the second quarter, while first-round draft pick Patrick Mahomes II will start the second half.

It's arguably the most anticipated preseason debut by a Chiefs rookie since 1983, which also was the last time Kansas City spent a first-round draft pick on a quarterback.

Asked what he wants to see out of his young signal caller, Reid replied: ''I'd tell you this with everyone: execute. Obviously the quarterbacks have a little more responsibility with all the calls and so on, but the main thing is to execute.''

Reid said most of the starters would play the first quarter alongside Smith, while the backups on the depth chart this week will have Bray under center. So whatever the outcome for Mahomes is Friday night, it must be examined through the prism of working with third-team players.

Likewise, it will almost certainly come against the second- and third-team 49ers defense.

That's one reason Reid was reticent Tuesday following the Chiefs' final open practice of the week to put too much stock in a single preseason game. He instead will lump the performances in a game setting along with what he's seen out of practice and the meeting rooms, and begin deliberating with his coaching staff on what will ultimately comprise his 53-man roster.

With changes to the cutdown rules, he'll also have three more games to examine.

''The first preseason game, everyone has an opportunity to play. After that, it's not guaranteed,'' Reid said. ''That kind of stuff has never changed. The thing you don't want to do is give another team, if possible, a good player. You want to make sure you do as thorough evaluation as you can.''

Several starters are also unlikely to play because of injuries, and at least one of them could force the Chiefs to make a roster move ahead of their preseason opener.

Reid indicated kicker Cairo Santos could be out while nursing a groin injury.

''We'll just monitor it and see how he does,'' said Reid, who had former Stanford kicker Conrad Ukropina and Liberty's John Lunsford in for an audition. ''We've got some kickers that are here to come in. We'll work those guys out just in case he can't go in this game.

''Other than that,'' Reid said, ''he's going to be fine. It's not a serious deal.''

Most of the other injury woes have occurred on defense.

Rookie lineman Tanoh Kpassagnon was the latest to go down with what Reid called shin splints. DT Bennie Logan has already been out with a knee injury, while second-year pro Chris Jones remains on the PUP list following offseason knee surgery.

DT Roy Miller, signed last week, continues to work his way back from a torn Achilles tendon sustained last October. He has yet to practice with the team.

In the secondary, star safety Eric Berry is unlikely to play while dealing with a heel injury that has sidelined him since Saturday. Cornerbacks De'Vante Bausby (ankle) and Jacoby Glenn (concussion) are also out, while linebackers Tamba Hali and Dadi Nicolas remain out with knee injuries.

The positive of all those injuries is that others will have an opportunity to stand out.

''You get to see them with the swings that happen in games. That is really what it is all about,'' defensive coordinator Bob Sutton said, ''is how you deal with these swings and can you get your focus right back in. Can you let that play go, good or bad, and get right into it? Or hey, we have had two or three series that have not gone the way we wanted it to go on defense. So can we get this thing back on track and get in position to win the game?

''We have a lot of young guys,'' Sutton said, ''so I think it will be exciting to see them.''

Calling Tyler Bray a veteran backup is a real stretch.

**** Bray.

People are calling Bray a veteran backup? Classic CP stupidity...

Friday at 6 can't get here fast enough. Oh hey I get out of work at 6. Sounds like I'm gonna need to jump out of here early and immediately start drinking.

No, because ThreebagsO'douchin' has firmly tied the remainder of his testicles to the Shitty-Shitty Bang-Bang Playnottolose Express.

Classic stupidity on your part.

No one in this forum said that he was a veteran backup.

The writer of the article linked, Dave Skretta, wrote that description.

Beer goggles already?

Yeah, that's really smart.

:rolleyes:

Chiefs fans had better hope that Bray improves this year because there aren't any reliable options on the market that know Reid's offense.

I like the idea of Mahomes being 3rd string if he gets a full half week one. It will be the most interested I've ever been in the second half of a preseason game hands down.


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I'm not concerned with how much playing time he gets this week. It's just game one of the preseason. Game 4 is what I'm looking forward to. The starters will play one series, like always. Then I expect to see Mahomes play for a full half. Plus, he will have the full preseason under his belt and should be our most indicative view of him.

They hype for Mahomes pre season games will be electric... Can.Not.Wait...

Even though I have a company dinner Friday @ 6.

It really will be. :)

You just Shitty rolled me

An actual reason, to give an actual ****.

Haven't been able to say that for DECADES.

We don't need a veteran backup we have Mahomes. If Alice goes down I would want Mahomes to play anyway.

Well, that's stupid

You'd best believe all the time they have put in to Bray has happened for one reason only:

FLIP.

Bray is just as an unknown??? Still trying to remember when we've ever seen him in regular season let alone active for a game.

He is due at least this. He will be a solid piece until Mahomes sinks or swims.

If Alex went down in the middle of the season you wouldn't want Mahomes to come in and play?

He lit it up against the Green Bay scrubs one preseason, and that's pretty much his claim to fame in KC.
And if we don't have any reliable options for backup QB, then that tells me one of two things:

a) Reid the "GM" is a piss-poor planner. Or,

b) This shit with Bray as the backup is a complete ****ing ruse, they plan to FLIP his ass to a needy team provided he can demonstrate some skill, and Mahomes is going directly to the #2 slot when the season kicks in.

"But...but...STAVE, man"!

Who?

Uh-huh.

I'll admit he has been solid.

And floaty.

And very hard indeed to flush.

There's a lot of fiber to that man, for sure.

Okay.... So no regular season games or active for games?

**** no.

He's been riding that PUP the way hot sauce rides Reid's french fries.

That would be my plan.

I don't remember either.