I would. He’s massive and can move. He comes across as intelligent. YouTube his interviews. He’s bigger than Orlando brown jr. He’s built solid. With the work that he’s done on his body and in his workouts, he doesn’t appear to be lazy. He had 5.07 40 at his size and he didn’t look flabby when he ran it. I’d move up like we did for mcduffie and get Mims. I’d also bring in a vet LT like smith to compete with him.

I think this is a fair review of Mims.

https://youtu.be/3yc6ZWC__Mo?si=kyDEWpEND1fXP4ho

Someone help me out here with Patrick Paul. Would he not be an option? I’ve seen him mocked all over the place. Some 1st rd, some mid 2nd, some late 2nd.

Guy has elite size. 6’7.5” 330 lbs. 36 1/4(!!!) arms and 9 3/8 hands.

Really nice athleticism and 3 years experience who is a plus pass rusher but not as good in the run game.

Seems like someone Andy would be in on. So what’s missing? Is he not as good of a prospect or something?

I think he is arguably a better prospect than Morris or Niang were, I just think 32 would be a reach for him. At 64 if you decided to go for a WR at 32 or BPA that fell to you, then I wouldn't be terribly upset to see Paul in the 2nd as our choice. He is one of those that has values rated for end of the 1st down to the 3rd round, so best to be totally sold him if you pick him at 32.

Take a look at Patrick Paul in the image below. See how long his legs are and how short his torso is? He’s leggy and that doesn’t typically make for great OTs. He won’t have great leverage or power because he’s at such a disadvantage with his leverage. His arm length is great but if you look at Amarius Mims, his ceiling is so much higher to me than Paul’s. Mims is built solid and is not leggy. Mims is built proportionately. Paul will have trouble with power rushers and speed rushers who can get low like Derrick Thomas used to coming around the edge.


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Thanks fellas. Every mock I’m seeing has Jordan Morgan right around our range. Feels like this is the year to go for a LT

Dane Brugler said on the Athletic pod that he thinks 6 tackles could be taken in the top 25. Wow

Also said this is the best year to go after a LT bc there are guys who have that upside which is rare. Named Guyton, Morgan and Suamataia as 3 guys who could absolutely play LT and teams are looking at them at LT and RT.

I haven't remotely watched the tackles yet, but to play devil's advocate: substitute Andrus Peat in your post.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/andrus...c-3fdcb6ed04c1

Patrick Paul?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OT prospects in “true pass sets” during college. These are pass block reps after removing &lt;2 sec time to throws, &lt;4 rushers, screens/play action, etc. <a href="https://t.co/brESKZoW9i">pic.twitter.com/brESKZoW9i</a></p>&mdash; Football Insights �� (@fball_insights) <a href="https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1773722012101292469?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Blake fisher could be a sleeper. He won the starting LT job at Notre Dame as a true freshman. But got injured and that’s when Alt took over. So they moved him to RT to get him on the field. Her odd only 20 years old right now too

Was just gonna say this. Kid could be a steal if we play our cards right.

I really like the profile of this BYU LT. RS SO, just turned 21, 1 year at LT, great length and athleticism, former 5-star recruit.

Seems like a real Veach type of swing for the fences.

I'd like Paul with our 2nd

All this chart really shows me is that it isn't the best predictor of success.

He’s gotta be the pick at 25-32 and a lot of folks will claim he was overdrafted.

Out on Jordan Morgan bc of size, injury concerns and arm length.

I think Mims is the main trade up option if at all possible but aside from that I think it’s:

1. Tyler Guyton
2A. Patrick Paul
2B. Kingsley Suamataia

Chris Simms is of the opinion that "there is no way" Morgan will play tackle in the NFL.

It is hard to go against Simms currently he seems to still be a football guy working as a talking head. But he's had some bad misses too. Outside the top 3 Chase, Smith and Waddle he had Terrace Marshall as his number 1 wide out for the 21 draft and iirc he said it wasn't really close. Everyone gets hung up on one thing sometimes.

Kingsley Suamataia keeps coming to me in mocks. And seems to check all the boxes physically, hes young and a two year starter. Am I missing any major warts?

As is pretty much any draft analyst or anyone that's plugged into the league....

He might be a good candidate to trade back from 32 if you get an offer to go back a few picks. I don’t think he will make it past 40, so there would be risk, but the 2nd round is going to have talent.

If we trade up, I think it's for a LT. If we stay put, either Guyton falls into our lap, or we go WR.

Really wouldn't be that upset with the staying put scenario there depending on what WR is left.

I’m starting to think that Mims might slide to us at 32.Heres an article where the Steelers site discusses guyton or Mims and the risk of Mims injury history is a major flaw.

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/04/mo...-right-tackle/

If GMs are scared of his injury history and need a tackle who can be available, especially considering the talent and depth of this class, maybe mims falls to 32 if he’s the 8th tackle selected? I think this would be perfect for us if Mims fell to 32. Or trade up slightly to pick right after Morgan is drafted. We could resign Smith and let Mims develop behind him. We’d have a lot of depth across the oline.

1. Alt ND
2. Fashanu penn state
3. Fuaga Oregon state
4. Latham Bama
5. Fautanu Wash
6. Guyton OK
7. Morgan AZ
8. Mims GA

If you look at draft history, you’d normally expect 5 OTs taken in the first round in a heavy offensive tackle draft. Take a look below.

Year No. Round Pick Player Name Team College
2023 1 1 6 6 Paris Johnson Cardinals Ohio State
2 1 10 10 Darnell Wright Bears Tennessee
3 1 14 14 Broderick Jones Steelers Georgia
4 1 27 27 Anton Harrison Jaguars Oklahoma

2022 1 1 6 6 Ikem Ekwonu Panthers North Carolina State
2 1 7 7 Evan Neal Giants Alabama
3 1 9 9 Charles Cross Seahawks Mississippi State
4 1 19 19 Trevor Penning Saints Northern Iowa
5 1 24 24 Tyler Smith Cowboys Tulsa

2021 1 1 7 7 Penei Sewell Lions Oregon
2 1 17 17 Alex Leatherwood Raiders Alabama
3 1 23 23 Christian Darrisaw Vikings Virginia Tech

2020 1 1 4 4 Andrew Thomas Giants Georgia
2 1 10 10 Jedrick Wills Browns Alabama
3 1 11 11 Mekhi Becton Jets Louisville
4 1 13 13 Tristan Wirfs Buccaneers Iowa
5 1 18 18 Austin Jackson Dolphins USC
6 1 29 29 Isaiah Wilson Titans Georgia

2019 1 1 11 11 Jonah Williams Bengals Alabama
2 1 22 22 Andre Dillard Eagles Washington State
3 1 23 23 Tytus Howard Texans Alabama State
4 1 31 31 Kaleb McGary Falcons Washington

2018 1 1 9 9 Mike McGlinchey 49ers Notre Dame
2 1 15 15 Kolton Miller Raiders UCLA

KC is in a tough spot to grab a LT. Unless a Mims or Guyton slide, they will likely have to grab someone from the next tier of players. There will likely be "safer" WR's available.

Yeah, I kinda look at it not as much in the numbers but the amount. There's gonna be 4/5 go, but looking at the list, if the guy isn't an elite prospect, the difference in the first and the 5th isn't a huge gap in terms of success.

So we need to evaluate it well for what we're looking for and go that way.

That's kind of an odd way to put it. There's only going to be one or two elite tackle prospects per draft and you'll never draft high enough with a Mahomes team to have a chance. The odds of finding a difference making WR in other rounds are much higher than the odds of a top tier tackle. Both groups have pretty good depth but there's 2x as many receivers I'd be happy with than Tackles in this draft.

The bigger problem is that the 2nd tier of tackles might be picked through by the time KC drafts at the end of the 2nd. I consider the 2nd tier to be: Morgan (might be guard), Suamataia, Fisher, Paul and the kid from Yale who was injured most of the season and didn't face great competition.

Basically at 32 I think you start the tier two tackle run and the tier 3 receiver run.

I think the fanbase is so caught up on the need at WR that we understate the importance of an LT. It's one of the most critical positions on the team and one of the most difficult to adequately fill, especially long-term. I fully support a move-up for an LT all day over worrying about WRs. I would not be exaggerating if I said that I don't care if Veach waits until round 3 to address WR if it means getting an LT.

Now, that doesn't mean I support reaching or chancing it on an LT if we stay at 32 and bypass better talent at another position, which is likely to be WR or CB in this draft.

So either trade up or trade down at #32 is the best way to go.

30 offensive linemen currently set to make at least $15 per season in average annual salary as 2024 NFL free agency begins, led by an offensive lineman who is earning an average of $25 million per season.

Eight offensive linemen are set to make at least $20 million a season.


NFL's highest-paid offensive linemen in 2024 (average salary per year) and where they were drafted:

1. Texans OL Laremy Tunsil: $25 million. In 2016, the Dolphins selected Tunsil with the 13th overall selection in the 2016 NFL Draft.

2. Giants OL Andrew Thomas: $23.5 million. Thomas was selected by the New York Giants with the fourth overall pick in the 2020 NFL Draft.

3. 49ers OL Trent Williams: $23.01 million. Williams entered the league in the 2010 NFL Draft after he was selected in the first round with the number 4 overall pick by the then-Washington Redskins.

4. Packers OL David Bakhtiari: $23 million. The Green Bay Packers selected Bakhtiari in the fourth round, (109th overall) of the 2013 NFL Draft.

5. Falcons OL Chris Lindstrom: $20.5 million. Lindstrom was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons with the 14th overall pick in the first round of the 2019 NFL draft.

6. Eagles OL Lane Johnson: $20.2 million. The Eagles selected Johnson in the first round (fourth overall) of the 2013 NFL draft. He was the third offensive tackle selected in 2013, behind Central Michigan's Eric Fisher and Texas A&M's Luke Joeckel.

6. Indianapolis Colts OL Quenton Nelson: $20 million. The Indianapolis Colts selected Nelson in the first round (sixth overall) of the 2018 NFL draft.

6. Chiefs OL Jawaan Taylor: $20 million. a second-round pick (35th overall) by the Jacksonville Jaguars in the 2019 NFL Draft.

9. Ravens OL Ronnie Stanley: $19.8 million. Baltimore Ravens in the 1st round (6th overall) of the 2016 NFL Draft.

10. Saints OL Ryan Ramczyk: $19.2 million. The New Orleans Saints selected Ramczyk in the first round (32nd overall) of the 2017 NFL draft.

what are we doing at LT? Are we counting on a rookie at 32 to protect Pat?

That would be fantastic but I just don't see teams drafting Guyton or Morgan before Mims even with the injury considerations.

I won't be surprised to see Mims be the 4th-6th OT taken and if we want him late teens might have to be the target area for a trade up.

I feel like OTs are such a crapshoot. Every year there are sure things bust and traits guys who turn into excellent linemen. How does one draft them effectively?
Is this just a position where we regularly fill from FA just to get adequate known quantities until Patrick slows down?
Take Wanya as an example: he has every trait you could want. So do you go invest in another traits guy like Fisher? I guess if they both work out, you can let Taylor go. I just have a hard time getting comfy spending big draft capital on one when outcomes feel so volatile.

Something about that 4th overall pick

So, out of the top 10 Highest paid tackles the ones drafted in 1st round:

1) 13th pick

2) 4th pick

3) 4th pick

4) 109th pick

5) 14th pick

6) 4th pick

7) 6th pick

8) 35th pick

9) 6th pick

10) 32nd pick

Absolutely THIS! I have changed my mind because I was ALL in on Brian Thomas Jr. or Xavier Worthy. NOW, I want us to move up to 19 with the Rams and take Troy Fautanu. This is 5 years of a protector of our beloved Mahomes blind side. I hope this is the direction Veach goes.:thumb: I will admit that I hate to loose the draft picks there but, for the team, it is the best option.

You end up missing some of the best tackles in the NFL because they are still on rookie deals.

i.e.

Charles Cross 1 #9
Rashawn Slater 1 #13
Christian Darrisaw 1 #23
Bernhard Raimann 3 # 77
Tristan Wirfs (1 #13) could play LT easily

Yeah, it's rare to get that guy outside the top 13, but it happens from time to time. That's why you have to gauge it and see. If one of the top 3 get to 15, you have to consider that move, else you're probably looking at continuing to draft projects and hope.

I'd be super in on trading up for an OT, but I don't think it's gonna work out.

Fautanu, Fashanu and Mims are all going really high IMO. Couple of elite pass-protecting LTs (literally who cares about run blocking at this point, other than Harbaugh - they can have Fuaga) and an otherwordly size/athlete prospect.

Fautanu I don't see getting past 14, and the Jets would be dumb to pass on him. He'd be my guy but that's too rich. Late teens is the floor for the other 2 IMO. Maybe if the Rams wanna acquire more picks.

Hard pass on Guyton and Latham. Very overrated groupthink prospects IMO. And then the other guys I'd stay put at 32 and either take and hope for the best, or just go to another position.

Could work Kupp into that trade. Get our LT and still a stud WR.

Just ****ing stop it

UM, not HAPPENING.

This absolutely. It’s hard to find a great LT later and you see that all the time with WRs. If mims get to the lions pick, I hope we move to get Mims if he’s there and trade with the lions to select Mims. I don’t see Mims getting past the ravens.

FWIW, Eric Edholm at nfl.com updated his top 100 prospects (it apparently includes insight from teams/scouts that he has spoken to). With respect to tackles, he has the following:

6. Alt
13. Latham
15 Fautanu
17 Fuaga
19 Fashanu
20 Mims
23 Guyton
34 Morgan (Guard)
42 Suamataia
70 Paul
72 Fisher
89 Christian Jones
94 Amagadje
97 Foster

That seems pretty damn spot on to me. I think he has Amegadjie a bit low, but everyone else seems to be in the proper ballpark. I'd be inclined to put Amegadjie right up there with Paul and Fisher, but I recognize that I'm weighing skills more and risk less with that.

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I'm starting to settle on Kingsley in the 1st with a trade up for a WR in the 2nd, barring a trade up in the 1st or Adonai Mitchell making it to 32.

Really like Kingsley for a bit of a developmental guy, but **** I cant really do Dan Harms. He's okay solo, but I hate listening to him and Ryan slobber all over each other. RGR used to be one of my favorites.

It's just Harms in that video FYI.

I don't mind him, but I don't watch anything with Ryan.

NOBODY IS RISING UP DRAFT BOARDS IN ****ING APRIL!!!!!!

Ugh. That will always annoy the piss out of me.

At best, at BEST, draft talking heads are catching up as the draft approaches. But no, these teams aren't sitting there moving Kingsley up based on...nothing. Literally nothing has happened in 6 weeks. And really, the combine barely moves the needle for most teams.

It's petty of me but goddamn do I hate that.

LMAO

Yea, that stuff is always reeruned. If anything, the media is playing catch up.

There's some good all-22 clips in that video though.

If you're gonna trade up for one, he needs to be a day 1 insert and play guy. I'd say you'll have to get up to 15 or so for that.

That's not palatable for me

LMAO

I mean, you're not wrong. But you already know this shit is made for beginners.

I would do it if the other team would take our 2nd round pick next year. I'm guessing it would be 32, our 4th this year and a 2nd next year.

Not gonna get you there.

I think that might get you to about 20.

If you wanna get up to 15 I think it's going to take next years 1st. That alone should probably get you near 12/13, IMO.

It would hurt a little next year but I think I’d trade 2 firsts to go get a day one starter at LT.

Give the Cards the 2024, 2025 and 2026 first round picks for the #4.

Trade the #4 to Minnesota for the 11 and 23.

Draft a left tackle at 11, or get the Raiders to give up #13 plus something good to jump Denver for McCarthy and take a LOT at 13.

Trade the 23 Vikings pick for a first round pick next year.

KC will have a top LOT, still have a 2025 first rounder, possibly a 3rd rounder in 25 from the Raiders, but no 2026 first round pick.

LMAO

The Cardinals want 3 first round picks from the teams that are picking much higher than the Chiefs.

What in the hell is this shit?

You mean you don't think the Cardinals would pass up on MHJ for a few late 1st round picks?

Nobody is giving them three first round picks but us.

You understand that 2 of those 1st round picks might not even be worth the 11th pick, right?

That’s not even the most unbelievable part of it. Lol

We’re trading up to trade back.

Sonny Weaver would be proud.

I’m not sure we will need to trade up that far. Here’s the best chance scenario for us. This would be the stars aligning but I could see it happening. If we could trade up with Detroit for Mims or guyton and resign smith or another vet LT, that’s what would be my best hope for the draft.

19. Rams take someone for the dline
20. Steelers take Jackson powers Johnson for the IOL. This is a critical pick. Steelers could take a RT here like Mims or guyton. But it’s very possible they could take a center.
21. MIA could use a starting guard with versatility to play tackle and if they’d take Jordan Morgan, that would help us a lot.
22. Eagles; I don’t see them taking an offensive tackle or WR, so that helps
23. Vikings probably don’t take an OT or WR either
24. Cowboys probably slide smith to LT and might select someone like Graham Barton who can start at guard but has versatility to play several oline positions.
25. Packers; we hope they select IOL or dline. They don’t have an immediate need at OT.
26. Bucs: we hope they go defense with a CB or DT
27. Cards: they could go TE or dline. I doubt the cards draft an OT.
28. Bills: they could take an OT but it’s more likely they take a WR or dline?
29. Lions: if Mims or guyton is here, I think this has to be the trade up spot. I don’t see either of those players getting past the ravens. They love massive olineman.

I didn't get passed the first part LMAO

Is this accurate?

https://x.com/benbbaldwin/status/1777363558969278464

So he's saying we've got the seventh worst left tackle in the league with Donovan Smith, who is ranked 25 points behind Orlando Brown Jr.? That feels....inaccurate. To put it politely.

We don’t currently have Donovan Smith. I think that’s a ranking based on Wanya Morris being the LT.

That's fair

Would there be any value in taking Graham Barton as someone who could be the first reserve across the entire O Line in 2024 then assess him as to which position he can slide into to start in 2025 as we let someone walk to create cap space or is the need to get a premium tackle just too great?

Ryan Tracy from RGR Football has Suamataia rated as a 3rd rounder. Most legit draft evaluators have him as a very late 2nd rounder to early 3rd rounder. In other words, he would be a massive reach with our 1st pick.

Probably not that far off. But there's probably only 20 first round grades so it depends on how you look at it. To me a first round grade is one of the 32 best prospects. But thats not how evaluators make it. Is he top 64?

Giving the Jets a '97' at LT based on the hypothetical return to dominance and sustained health of Tyron Smith demonstrates how stupid that 'projection' is.

He's not going to be who he was. And he's not going to be healthy.

Or putting Garrett Boles ahead of Darrisaw. That's just shit I noticed off the top of my head. I suspect it's all about equally idiotic.

They also have Taylor at a 66.

If Barton is on the board at 32, he is likely heads and tails better than the next player. Like I get the reticence to invest a first round pick in a likely IOL, and one who isn't starting year one. He's so good it forces your hand at 32, imo. You use it to save cap space long term, probably by way of a Thuney trade or retirement.

Olumuyiwa Fashanu feels like the most forgotten guy of this class. I'm starting to see him in the 20s. If he really does fall outside of the top 20, we have to go get him, right?

Yes.

Just a product of smoke season imo. Agents trying to push their guy up.