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My 2016 and 2019 2500 diesels end up being within 1-2 cents per mile of a 5-10 year old used pickup when I trade in.
I used to use older vehicles for work, but the repairs and downtime killed me. Find out brand new vehicles cost roughly the same without the problems when it’s all said and done. You just have to get over the initial cost, negotiate smartly, and pay it off in at the most 2 years. This is for business using write offs. Anyone that doesn’t have that ability is going to get CRUSHED when it comes to value. Buy used if you work for someone else. |
How else do you integrate those solar panels without making it look like ass?
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Indeed... we also practice 'if we can't pay today then we can't afford it', including with cars. We've still got nice cars. |
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Another "truck" for the Overland Park farmers.
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I used to try to get 2-3 year old ones with 30K miles and let someone else eat the big depreciation and dumping them before they get to 100K. But if you assume a new one and the used will be worth the same money at 90,000 miles, they came out to the penny on a $/mile basis. And you get warranty with a new one. Now, I managed to find a 4 year old one with 8K miles that I was able to get the cost per mile down some so that's what I'm currently driving, but barring uncovering any other barely driven used vehicles, I'm probably going the new route next time. Now on our personal vehicle, wife is driving a 5 year old rig. |
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I'm not sure that will be an issue for the truck as I'm not sure they plan on using either the 18650 or 2170 cell architectures and seem to be on the verge of commercializing their own solid state batteries, which the cold wouldn't affect nearly as much. The beauty is that even if it is an issue, with the 500+ like range, you'll still get 400+ miles per charge and recharge should be even faster than the Model 3 with all that battery to take the charge. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk |
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Just battery and motor. As long as you have good connection and no pieces of metal stabbed through the battery, you should be good. 2. Shouldn't need a toolbox aside from the organization aspect of it all as the tonneau bed cover is aluminum and you can walk all over it. Your stuff should be secure just in the bed. It's also got built-in 110/220v outlets and air compressor utility ports from the dynamically adjustable air suspension. 3.Windshield wiper blades and tires. Maybe some grease for the suspension. Only other things would be the glycol or whatever they run through the thermal management system but they generally take care of that at this point. Model 3 recommended maintenance schedule is every 2 years for reference. 4. It's a 2500 for $40k. 3500lb payload 14,000lb towing 16 inch ground clearance(4 inch adjustable) Probably near limitless torque etc Maintenance is essentially 0, and $18-$24 to get your full 500 miles of range. There's literally no economic case against it. There is though, a lot of "it's not a real truck" bs floating in here but so far the only legitimate complaint I hear is "you can't sit on slanted bed rails". Honestly, what couldn't this truck do? If anything, this is more capable than a 2500 with unknown utility yet to be add through software updates. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk |
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Pretty sure the truck was built for the network: Stainless steel exterior that won't show dents and scraped paint of the fleet. Will basically last forever. Wire wheel cleans anything. All the important stuff is a part of the skateboard anyway. Which is about as unbelievably robust as cellphones sometimes are. So if the battery or drivetrain goes, just outfit with the latest and greatest skateboard. Body is fine. Stainless steel and all. Has large comfortable seats for 6 large adults with front and center 17" media hub with Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, videogames etc etc They call the bed "the vault", a lockable aluminum rollup security door that a guy can jump on. Lockable frunk Lockable bed rail storage The thing is built to solve for a lot of problems. 6.5" x 4.5" bed, frunk etc, all the lockable storage plus uber xl, black level bullet proof passenger compartment. If made autonomous can make money on fairs all day and drop packages while in the vicinity of the recipient at literally any location. It greatly increases the value of each mile driven while substantially reducing cost to operate. It's a logistics machine, I love it. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk |
Without wading through the entire thread, is it 4WD? I don't give a shit what thw torque is if it only hits 2 wheels.
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Like bat shit crazy That is not a truck and I hope he is on the maiden voyage trip to mars |
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And I've seen first-hand what happens if a lithium battery gets smacked too hard. So I'll wait and see what that thing does when you get it out say on the Rubicon Trail or Imogene Pass, or even just up the Deer Creek Trail on Boulder Mountain before considering that thing a real pick-up. |
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It comes in RWD, Dual Motor AWD, or a tri motor setup, probably the plaid powertrain they're currently developing. They say 0-60 in 2.9.
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Great, Telsa fanboy has shown up to ruin this thread.
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F -N Musk is still bat shit cray cray Approach angles n' all Just dont throw rocks at the side windows |
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Second -Tell that to the peeps who live in Crenshaw..... FWIW most are still Faider fans |
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They paid back the bail out money with interest ahead of schedule so no idea why people still bitch about it. |
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The most experienced tower I've seen gets about 200 mi from a 295 mi battery pack towing a 3800lb camper and everything inside to live. Worst case they got pushed to 150 I believe.
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Near limitless life on the body All the utility of a 2500 Best driver safety assistance system in the world GPS nav and search Always on LTE connection likely to eventually go on crazy fast SpaceX satellite network Incredibly well written software purpose written for specific tasks by mining loads of data for information 1/4 the fuel cost Maintenance costs nearly gone entirely With the tailgate down it'll handle 4x8 plywood laid flat with room to spare Entire bed covered with t slot bolt channels and various other tie down points. 110v/220v outlets Built in air compressor with utility ports This is all standard and with almost no knowledge of the storage potential of the main cabin, frunk or rear bed rails. If they solve full self driving, and laws change to suit, your employees can complete paperwork, schedule, answer email and texts, coordinate plans and orders/deliveries while traveling. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk |
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1. Look dude. I am fully apprised of the maintenance benefits of electric vs internal combustion. Notorious and I were straight giddy at the prospect. I get it. But there is 0% chance I'm going to be the beta test for this shit on the farm. None. I have a program I get along with with gassers. I don't need to be the guy that figures out what they need to re-engineer. And to pretend these things are going to be perfect with serial number 001 is straight up intergallactically stupid. 2. Says the dude that has never used tools. Suggesting that a guy with a shitload of tools needed in the field should just throw them in the bed is also...you guessed it...intergallactically stupid. I don't carry a generator, so I don't much care about the 110/220. As far as the air, I'm 99.99999999% sure it won't be enough to do any real good. We have compressors on all the semis for suspensions to hold up 100K lb and they don't move near enough CFM to do any real good. There is no way a compressor for a tiny little pickup suspension is going to do anything substantial. They just wouldn't pull that many amps from the drivetrain to do it. 3. I run a whole ****load of electrical shit on the farm. None of it is maintenance free completely. Although if Musk gets the engineering right, it should be relatively worry free. 4. Yeah. I read the specs. We'll see. Like I said, if it delivers, I'm all over it like stink on shit. But we'll see. |
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I'm well versed in work. I've been down in mudholes for days fighting the frost and cored 5" holes through 3' thick concrete walls. Never met a problem I can't get solved. I appreciate the mutual respect though.[emoji6] 3. I understand you run electrical equipment. I do too! I install it as well. This isn't that level of engineering though. We aren't talking about a lift with dumb electrical circuitry with the only think protecting their connections being a rubber boot maybe. These are ultra geeks who have the resources of SpaceX to lean on with a guy who's smart enough to understand good ideas and bad ones controlling the purse strings. I've done work in the ISU Skunk works for JD at BRF outside of Ames, I've been all over the U of I and it's engineering spaces. They aren't anything compared to this. Don't get me wrong, they're great, brilliant people who do great work, but they can only work within the freedom their given and the only great ideas they can chase are the ones that someone sees as achievable in the short term with nothing deemed "impossible" on the table. There's a guy named Sandy Monroe, who owns a engineering consult firm that tears apart automobiles, heavy equipment, military vehicles you name it, depends on the customer. He says the $35k Model 3 has military fighter plane level electronics. In other words, you're lift/tractor etc etc needs service. A Tesla skateboard is more like a cellphone with most all components contained in a strong flat rectangular box that is basically waterproof. Now, your phone or tablet almost never needs servicing. My android is subject to all the dirt/dust metal and wood shavings tossing in my pockets all day and sometimes I have to pound dirt or pull metal shavings out of ports/holes at the end of the day. It handles falls, water, heat, cold. Still, runs without fail. That's what a Tesla skateboard is. Self contained. Strong as all hell, best crash safety in the industry. Dust/waterproof to some degree. Waterproof enough to float for awhile at least. Examples of reasons they are better are countless, but one example is in simplifying complex machines by deleting things you don't really need. Tesla is great at getting rid of shit you don't need and still making the product better. For instance, a typical car has about 1 mile of copper cabling in it. The Model 3 got that down to about 1500 meters(?) from the 3000 meters in the Model S. Good, but now all future Tesla cars should be built with less than 300' I'd cabling. Not only did that simplify manufacturing and make the car lighter, but using a communications network similar to what you'd find in a Siemens HVAC network or a class A fire alarm circuit, two way, fully redundant ring type network communication, you can sever a cable and keep going. Lose a motor too? No worry, you've got one or two more. If you think a possible customer target for this thing isn't the military you're crazy. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk |
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3. I'm willing to roll with the engineering. I'll be the first to admit that Deere's electrical is shit. It boggles the mind that it's so poor. If they can get the electrical working like Deere's mechanical, I'll be good. But let's not pretend like they're without problems. I don't follow Tesla very closely at all, but a 5 second google search yielded a lot of shit. That's just the top 3. All from 2019. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...bility-issues/ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/b...k-outlook.html https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...rs-say-2019-10 Like I said, if they deliver, I'll probably be on it. There are a lot of things there that would fit right in, you know, as long as they do shit like a receiver hitch and shit. |
Like Musk and other companies aren't going to design a toolbox to fit in the back of these trucks...
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how are the mexicans I pick up at home depot supposed to sit on those bed rails when i hire them to put on a roof and pay them in Wendy's hamburgers
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Only musktards believe this thing is anything besides a giant piece of shit
They posted a video of this pulling a 2wd f150 backwards |
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Heh, Ford has a NORMAL functioning electric truck. If Chevy/Dodge/Ford builds a normal pickup that has an electric power train Tesla can get ****ed. |
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By going completely different, they'll appeal to a DIFFERENT audience in the beginning, allowing them to showcase what their version can do. In the future, if they decide to tone it down, they'll have a reputation to go off of and perhaps have more of a chance of convincing people. So in short, this model isn't for traditional truck buyers because traditional truck buyers probably wouldn't have considered a Tesla anyway. By going so different on the look, though, you'll start to temper your concerns over time after seeing them popping up all over the place. In theory. It's a very different approach, but it does make some sense. |
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How about take a page from Toyota, and build a truck that truck guys want? The new Tundras for example. They weren't in the big truck market until they burst on the scene with their redesign. Nissan, with the Titan. When that thing first came out you'd see it popping up all over construction sites. That was truck was hot when it was released. Aggressive styling, comfort, and torque is what you need to pull buyers away from the big 3. It can be done. Nissan and Toyota have demonstrated that. But that ****ing thing in the OP? It's hard to imagine any working class, truck owning man wanting that. You say they'll appeal to a different audience, but i can't imagine that thing selling enough to change anyone's mind. |
I'm still trying to figure out what demographic buys that.
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Apparently 200k people have already put down a deposit on one. Granted, it's only $100, and it's fully refundable, so it's a pretty weak gauge of commitment. |
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Too me it's not a truck or a SUV. It's more of a city ORV. Maybe it could be called a CORV. Plus would you need to have a Mohawk hair cut, wear a spiked leather collar, etc. to drive one?
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