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suzzer99 06-02-2019 09:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14292432)
I thought we already sent Conley packing. Why even mention his name?
Because it means more other receivers have a chance to get reps - which was the context of my comment.

BigCatDaddy 06-02-2019 11:52 PM
Never hurts to keep an open mind. One of these guys might me the next Edelman or Thielen.

Hog's Gone Fishin 06-03-2019 05:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14292268)
This is already the longest offseason ever. And it's only half over. :deevee::deevee::deevee:
Only 68 days until preseason game 1 8/10

Only 98 days until the jags 9/8

neech 06-03-2019 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14292357)
Hostile much

Holy ****, did your uncle touch you in your private spots or something?

It was vice versa.

Coochie liquor 06-03-2019 08:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 14292719)
Only 68 days until preseason game 1 8/10

Only 98 days until the jags 9/8
You coming down for the Jags game?

Kiimo 06-03-2019 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14292360)
"Herp it's minicamp he's a turd lol derp"

No, it's actually numbers. At least ONE of these so-called training camp heroes is going to make it on the 53 man roster at WR. And given it's such a tight competition and so many of them play special teams pretty well, we're probably going to see 2. Possibly even 3 for part of the season, depending if Hill is suspended and for how long.

Hill
Watkins
Hardman
Robinson

We'll carry at least 5. I'm thinking it's more likely we carry 6. Here are the leftovers:

Kemp
Deiter
Pringle
Thompson
Custis

Those are 5 training camp heroes. All dudes who look great in shorts and get homers whacking off pretty good during training camp and preseason. There are no gritty hard-nosed veterans they have to beat out, and there are no coach's pets that people want to see get cut. It's a 100% open spot that they'll be competing for.

The minimum bar they need to meet is that of Marcus Kemp on special teams in order for their spot to be an upgrade over last year. The optimistic yet realistic possibility is for one of them to be better than Chris Conley/Demarcus Robinson from last year. Again, shouldn't be hard. A couple hundred yards and maybe one or two TDs. Particularly in beating out Conley-- if any of them can get his production AND not be a fumbling piece of crap, we've already upgraded.

So like it or not, these "turds" are going to get pimped because the odds are that we'll see more than one of them on the 53 man roster this season.

That includes Byron Pringle.


Pringle
Thompson

RunKC 06-03-2019 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 14292688)
Never hurts to keep an open mind. One of these guys might me the next Edelman or Thielen.
Yeah. Mahomes made undrafted players like Albert Wilson and Charcandrick West look good

Kiimo 06-03-2019 02:24 PM
Wilson is legit good. It doesn't make sense to me either.

keg in kc 06-03-2019 02:43 PM
Better him than Robinson. Robinson is, so far, one of those guys where it's his year every year, except it never actually is. Give me a new alternative. Same for Deiter. I know, I know. These guys always seem like they're 'connecting' with Mahomes. News flash: Mahomes is really ****ing good. He'd make a traffic cone look awesome.

Kiimo 06-03-2019 02:52 PM
lol this is going to be Robinson's third year and he had some of the biggest plays last year.

Get rid of Dieter, fine, but Robinson is legit.

suzzer99 06-03-2019 02:59 PM
I feel like people had unrealistic expectations of Robinson. He made a lot of really good plays last year - considering he was generally the 3rd option behind Hill, then Watkins/Conley. And sometimes the 4th option behind all 3.

Kiimo 06-03-2019 03:03 PM
Or 6th if you add Kelce and Hunt/Williams

ChiefAshhole1056 06-03-2019 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14293250)
I feel like people had unrealistic expectations of Robinson. He made a lot of really good plays last year - considering he was generally the 3rd option behind Hill, then Watkins/Conley. And sometimes the 4th option behind all 3.
He seems to be the guy Pat ends up with a lot of instances whenever he's rolling out and looking to make a play as well. His strength may actually be how his improv skills correspond so well with Pat's.

Kiimo 06-03-2019 03:12 PM
Robinson has a little DeSean Jackson to his game

keg in kc 06-03-2019 03:15 PM
If he's "legit" it should show this year, but what I've seen so far is a guy with natural gifts who has taken a very long time to start to get a handle on routes and reading defenses. Tyreek Hill, as an example, picked those aspects up very quickly in comparison, and that's the main reason he turned so quickly into one of the top receivers in the league, despite being drafted as a running back and (to this day, unfortunately) really only being recognized for his generational speed. Playing receiver at a high level involves a lot more than speed, height and even hands, and that's why, I think, Robinson hasn't seen the field more than he has to this point and why, when he has, it's generally been forced on the team because of injuries to players in front of him. Guys like him are valuable, I'm not saying he's not, but guys like him are also available all over the place.

But hey, maybe this year really will be the year he develops into something more. That would only be good for the team...

Anyway, this thread is about Pringle, and I'm not sure I didn't see more potential from him before he got hurt last year than I'd seen from Robinson all along, but time will tell.

Even if the guy does come from some b-school in Kansas. :D

Kiimo 06-03-2019 03:20 PM
I mean if your two possible scenarios are the most talented wide receiver in the league and Gherig Dieter then I guess he's more Dieter but I think you're selling a guy incredibly short who was the #4/5/6 option and only played two years, one with Mahomes.

I'd MUCH rather have Robinson than Conley, for instance. This is a weird take.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-03-2019 03:21 PM
Right now across the league, there are approximately 128 WR bubble scrubs who are "pro bowlers" in waiting.

My God, the wealth of talent! LMAO

suzzer99 06-05-2019 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 14292719)
Only 68 days until preseason game 1 8/10

Only 98 days until the jags 9/8
Is it preseasons time yet? At least a month has gone by RIGHT?!??:cuss:

Dante84 06-05-2019 11:09 AM
D-Rob caught both Mahomes’ No-Look pass and 50th TD pass with a memorable backwards trot.

He should be fitted for a Gold jacket, as far as I’m concerned.

Chief Roundup 06-05-2019 11:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 14295226)
D-Rob caught both Mahomes’ No-Look pass and 50th TD pass with a memorable backwards trot.

He should be fitted for a Gold jacket, as far as I’m concerned.
Oh yeah because those were all about D-Robs skills. Mahomes would not be capable of doing that with any other WR.

Dante84 06-05-2019 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 14295230)
Oh yeah because those were all about D-Robs skills. Mahomes would not be capable of doing that with any other WR.
Yes, this is an accurate representation of my thoughts while typing the post you are referencing.

It was not tongue-in-cheek, and was intended to be very literal.

You just get me.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 06-05-2019 11:51 AM
Jordy Nelson is willing to unretire to play for the Chiefs

smithandrew051 06-05-2019 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14295285)
Jordy Nelson is willing to unretire to play for the Chiefs
We unretire this piece of shit yet?

Kiimo 06-05-2019 12:13 PM
Jordy Nelson has DBowe separation at this point.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-05-2019 03:42 PM
I'd bring him in for cheap.

suzzer99 06-05-2019 04:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 14295226)
D-Rob caught both Mahomes’ No-Look pass and 50th TD pass with a memorable backwards trot.

He should be fitted for a Gold jacket, as far as I’m concerned.
He also caught what could have been one of the biggest passes in Chiefs history if we could win a damn coinflip or make a stop on 3rd & 10.

suzzer99 06-10-2019 01:07 PM
https://theathletic.com/1019185/2019...s-true-upside/

Seth just did a review on Pringle the Athletic. I like it!

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Pringle is an intriguing player because he’s relatively polished for a young player. He’s not considered an overwhelming athlete, and while he has decent size at 6-foot-2 and 205 pounds, he’s not overpowering. When he has had success, it has come from him doing the little things well.

In this college footage of him, Pringle isn’t running a complicated route here, with a single fake going into a post. But he’s able to get a ton of separation by doing the “right” thing every step of the way. First, he accelerates to an apparent full sprint. After his first few steps, he shifts his direction a bit toward the inside, as though setting up for an outside move. He chews up the cushion between himself and the defender and patiently waits until he’s right in the cornerback’s lap before making a move.

Once Pringle gets in the cornerback’s space, he uses his entire body to sell a fake outside but is small enough with the fake that he doesn’t lose much speed. The defender bites hard and ends up turned around, giving Pringle plenty of time to accelerate down the field. He gets so much separation that he has time to lose the ball in the sun, put his hand up to block the glare, adjust to an underthrown pass and still score. The fact that he maintains a cool enough head to do all that is a testament to his relative polish for a young player.

It’s in his route running and nuance where Pringle seems unique. He seems to understand the importance of using his body to sell fakes and make all the correct technical decisions as he attempts to gain separation.
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Once again, Pringle does a nice job here chewing up the cushion between him and the defender. He again changes the angle of his route slightly several times while accelerating down the field, forcing the defender to hesitate slightly. He then uses his entire body to sell a fake inside before cutting toward the sideline, leaving the cornerback moving the wrong way and creating a great deal of space.
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After Pringle is given a relatively free release at the line, he accelerates to the point of running side by side with the cornerback. The defender smartly uses his left hand to try and slow Pringle down, which is something that will rarely get called. But Pringle counters by dropping his right shoulder and slapping the hand away, all while maintaining his speed. This allows him to shake the defender’s arm and gain a step. He then keeps his concentration intact and collects a great throw.
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Pringle is matched up against Kendall Fuller, the best cornerback on the Chiefs’ roster and a player with excellent feet. He swats away Fuller’s hand initially and dips his shoulder to keep from having his route disrupted. He then sells an outside fake with his head and feet and cuts inside too sharply for Fuller to keep up. To top it off, he adjusts to and collects a high throw.

Naptown Chief 06-10-2019 01:10 PM
Has this POS been inducted into the OTA ring of honor yet?

suzzer99 06-10-2019 01:31 PM
Chairman Sippio says the vote is next week. They need Jeff Webb to arrive for a quorum.

New World Order 06-10-2019 01:39 PM
I want some Pringles

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-10-2019 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14302217)
I want some Pringles
I likes teh cheezy and an old can from 1978.

ThyKingdomCome15 06-10-2019 03:11 PM
They are saying everyone looks faster than last year. Then they remember the Cheetah isn't there to make them look slow.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-10-2019 06:47 PM
Put Pringles in a Stack and he's dangerous....deeeeerp

Hog's Gone Fishin 06-14-2019 08:42 AM
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Sweet Daddy Hate 06-14-2019 10:25 AM
Good flippin'/trade material. Get those picks or a CB, Veach!

Dante84 07-20-2019 04:06 PM
Dieter isn’t the only one putting in work...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you know route running you know that stick at the top was on point �� ...just in the lab mixing up something <a href="https://t.co/NtDNS9M3NM">pic.twitter.com/NtDNS9M3NM</a></p>&mdash; Byron Pringle (@pringle_byron) <a href="https://twitter.com/pringle_byron/status/1152685861374451712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dante84 07-20-2019 04:08 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My top end gone be crazy ����*♂️�� <a href="https://t.co/apbcvNL8lK">pic.twitter.com/apbcvNL8lK</a></p>&mdash; Byron Pringle (@pringle_byron) <a href="https://twitter.com/pringle_byron/status/1147607580778385410?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bowser 07-20-2019 04:08 PM
The amount of speed the Chiefs could have on the field on any one play is...…..(name your adjective)

Halfcan 07-20-2019 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14356578)
The amount of speed the Chiefs could have on the field on any one play is...…..(name your adjective)
fast

Strongside 07-20-2019 04:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14356578)
The amount of speed the Chiefs could have on the field on any one play is...…..(name your adjective)
Advantageous

staylor26 07-20-2019 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14356578)
The amount of speed the Chiefs could have on the field on any one play is...…..(name your adjective)
Orgasmic

poolboy 07-20-2019 05:31 PM
Oh, we fast

What chu gonna do?

Dante84 07-20-2019 05:58 PM
He’s “Pat Mahomes Approved”


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That man is a beast! <a href="https://t.co/hzyivMXOtN">https://t.co/hzyivMXOtN</a></p>&mdash; Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes/status/1152725818172420096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pasta Little Brioni 07-20-2019 06:14 PM
Lulz

rabblerouser 07-20-2019 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 14290937)
I’d like us to carry 7 and cut the fat from a unit that has less talent/depth.

1-Hill
2-Watkins
3-D-Rob
4-Hardman
5-Pringle
6-Thompson
7-Felton Davis OR Jamal Custis [the loser going to IR for a bruised pinky toe]
No way Felton or Custis get a spot over Deiter.

big nasty kcnut 07-20-2019 06:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14356578)
The amount of speed the Chiefs could have on the field on any one play is...…..(name your adjective)
Tranquilo!

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 07-20-2019 07:02 PM
Looks like Tyreek is there with Pringle too on the left. Our WR is complete. Hill, Watkins, D Rob, Hardman, Dieter and Pringle

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 07-20-2019 08:10 PM
Dieter has immunity for the rest of his career on this team

RunKC 07-20-2019 08:25 PM
Hill
Watkins
Hardman
Robinson
Pringle
Dieter
Thompson or Custis

Probably have Thompson go to IR since we already have so many slot specialists and nobody else in this group is a big target like Custis

RealSNR 07-20-2019 08:33 PM
God bless Andy Reid for bringing in fake IR to stash players away.

About ****ing time we had a coach who looks to stretch the rules any way he can to gain an advantage.

T-post Tom 07-20-2019 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14356606)
Orgasmic
Yes.

Hammock Parties 07-20-2019 10:50 PM
part of a balanced offense

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Halfcan 07-20-2019 10:54 PM
Pringle might end up trade bait.

suzzer99 07-20-2019 11:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14356941)
Pringle might end up trade bait.
He better not end up like Joe Horn because we have too many other receivers.

RealSNR 07-20-2019 11:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14356941)
Pringle might end up trade bait.
Look, it's not that I'm some homer who thinks Pringle is destined for the HOF. Far from it. It's just when you take a guy who's never played a single regular season snap and say he's trade bait, you're just not gonna get jack shit in return. Probably one of those stupid turn-a-7th-rounder-into-a-6th-rounder trades. If you were the GM of the team trading for him, would YOU be willing to pay any more than that?

And at that point, if the Chiefs think he's good enough to make the 53 (which is a pretty likely scenario) his presence on the 53 is honestly more valuable than the shitty trade return we could possibly get out of him.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah "But we got Charvarious Ward!!!!" In order to get Ward, we traded a former 4th rounder and starting offensive lineman in only the 2nd year of a rookie contract who has position flexibility along the OL. Not some random joe WR who had never played a regular season NFL snap.

Yeah, if Pringle isn't good enough to make the 53 and some team wants to do a trade, then fine. But if it's "He looks good so let's use him as trade bait" then that's probably a dumb idea.

HemiEd 07-21-2019 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14356971)
Look, it's not that I'm some homer who thinks Pringle is destined for the HOF. Far from it. It's just when you take a guy who's never played a single regular season snap and say he's trade bait, you're just not gonna get jack shit in return. Probably one of those stupid turn-a-7th-rounder-into-a-6th-rounder trades. If you were the GM of the team trading for him, would YOU be willing to pay any more than that?

And at that point, if the Chiefs think he's good enough to make the 53 (which is a pretty likely scenario) his presence on the 53 is honestly more valuable than the shitty trade return we could possibly get out of him.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah "But we got Charvarious Ward!!!!" In order to get Ward, we traded a former 4th rounder and starting offensive lineman in only the 2nd year of a rookie contract who has position flexibility along the OL. Not some random joe WR who had never played a regular season NFL snap.

Yeah, if Pringle isn't good enough to make the 53 and some team wants to do a trade, then fine. But if it's "He looks good so let's use him as trade bait" then that's probably a dumb idea.
^^^^ Well said

Coagula 07-21-2019 03:23 PM
Barring significant injuries (and if Hardman fast-tracks,) our receiving corp should be among the best in the league. Hill, Watkins, DRob, Hardman and Kemp/Pringle/Dieter, along with Kelce and Williams. In all likelihood, whoever doesn't make the Chief's roster...will have a great chance make an impact somewhere else.

Halfcan 07-21-2019 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14356971)
Look, it's not that I'm some homer who thinks Pringle is destined for the HOF. Far from it. It's just when you take a guy who's never played a single regular season snap and say he's trade bait, you're just not gonna get jack shit in return. Probably one of those stupid turn-a-7th-rounder-into-a-6th-rounder trades. If you were the GM of the team trading for him, would YOU be willing to pay any more than that?

And at that point, if the Chiefs think he's good enough to make the 53 (which is a pretty likely scenario) his presence on the 53 is honestly more valuable than the shitty trade return we could possibly get out of him.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah "But we got Charvarious Ward!!!!" In order to get Ward, we traded a former 4th rounder and starting offensive lineman in only the 2nd year of a rookie contract who has position flexibility along the OL. Not some random joe WR who had never played a regular season NFL snap.

Yeah, if Pringle isn't good enough to make the 53 and some team wants to do a trade, then fine. But if it's "He looks good so let's use him as trade bait" then that's probably a dumb idea.
:clap:

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-21-2019 07:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14356971)
Look, it's not that I'm some homer who thinks Pringle is destined for the HOF. Far from it. It's just when you take a guy who's never played a single regular season snap and say he's trade bait, you're just not gonna get jack shit in return. Probably one of those stupid turn-a-7th-rounder-into-a-6th-rounder trades. If you were the GM of the team trading for him, would YOU be willing to pay any more than that?

And at that point, if the Chiefs think he's good enough to make the 53 (which is a pretty likely scenario) his presence on the 53 is honestly more valuable than the shitty trade return we could possibly get out of him.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah "But we got Charvarious Ward!!!!" In order to get Ward, we traded a former 4th rounder and starting offensive lineman in only the 2nd year of a rookie contract who has position flexibility along the OL. Not some random joe WR who had never played a regular season NFL snap.

Yeah, if Pringle isn't good enough to make the 53 and some team wants to do a trade, then fine. But if it's "He looks good so let's use him as trade bait" then that's probably a dumb idea.
At the beginning of the season with no track record to his name, sure. But let's say that by the time we reach week five or six and this guy is really cooking and we have the ability to use him in a trade scenario, what then? it should also be noted that it will be at around at that time or perhaps even a little later that a better player such as PP would be realistically available to get on the books, especially if the Cardinals season is headed in a southern trajectory.

notorious 07-22-2019 09:15 AM
He’s going to go from shit QB play at KSU to the best QB on the planet.

O.city 07-22-2019 09:17 AM
No one is gonna trade for him at this point and if he has a good preseason the chiefs shouldn’t trade him

It could be a good opportunity to get some good value cheap wr play for a while

Yes people look at the 25 mil in cap space and think whatever but the chiefs are about to get pretty crazy damn expensive

They need some mid late rounders or Udfa to excel

notorious 07-22-2019 09:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14358313)
No one is gonna trade for him at this point and if he has a good preseason the chiefs shouldn’t trade him

It could be a good opportunity to get some good value cheap wr play for a while

Yes people look at the 25 mil in cap space and think whatever but the chiefs are about to get pretty crazy damn expensive

They need some mid late rounders or Udfa to excel
No kidding. At least one of the starting WRs is going to be gone next year. We need talent to keep cycling into the position.

Mecca 07-22-2019 09:19 AM
The Chiefs wouldn't wanna trade him anyway, young cheap talented players are helpful.

Mecca 07-22-2019 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 14358318)
No kidding. At least one of the starting WRs is going to be gone next year. We need talent to keep cycling into the position.
Actually I think 2 years from now, Watkins is more likely to be here than Robinson is.

Watkins I think could take less money to stick around considering some other factors there.

O.city 07-22-2019 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14358322)
Actually I think 2 years from now, Watkins is more likely to be here than Robinson is.

Watkins I think could take less money to stick around considering some other factors there.
He's still so young, if they wanna keep him around that's fine. Problem is you just can't pay everyone and if they wanna break Tyreek off, someone else is gonna have to play.

ChiTown 07-22-2019 09:51 AM
Our WR depth top to bottom is great. But, that TE depth chart after Kelce. Deon Yelder, Blake Bell, David Wells......hmmm.

It'd have been nice to add another quality TE via Draft or FA. TK gonna be 30 in October. That makes me nervous.

ToxSocks 07-22-2019 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14357830)
At the beginning of the season with no track record to his name, sure. But let's say that by the time we reach week five or six and this guy is really cooking and we have the ability to use him in a trade scenario, what then? it should also be noted that it will be at around at that time or perhaps even a little later that a better player such as PP would be realistically available to get on the books, especially if the Cardinals season is headed in a southern trajectory.
That's....LMAO

By week 6 this guy is gonna be doing so well that he's worth a trade for PP?

Hahahahaha

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-22-2019 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14358385)
That's....LMAO

By week 6 this guy is gonna be doing so well that he's worth a trade for PP?

Hahahahaha
Not straight across the board dummy. As a package.

ToxSocks 07-22-2019 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14358749)
Not straight across the board dummy. As a package.
AT ALL.

Period.

Dude will be lucky to see the field, let alone make enough of an impact to be worth any sort of trade compensation.

BossChief 07-22-2019 02:02 PM
The only WR that has any real value to extract right now is Tyreek.

To be honest, I’d trade him for Ramsey right now....we’ll, maybe after the opener.

O.city 07-22-2019 02:29 PM
I've kinda thought about that Boss. They stuck by him thru all this and by all accounts love the dude, but if the Jags wanted to make that trade...….I'd prrrrrooooobbbballlyyy say no.

But i'd think about it.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 07-22-2019 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14358821)
The only WR that has any real value to extract right now is Tyreek.

To be honest, I’d trade him for Ramsey right now....we’ll, maybe after the opener.
You can’t be serious

staylor26 07-22-2019 02:35 PM
Lol no way I’m doing that.

Tyreek and Pat are just too good of a QB/WR duo.

O.city 07-22-2019 02:37 PM
Just depends.

If Hill still wants 20 mil per and they feel uncomfortable doing that now, gotta do something different.

You'd have to pay Ramsey immediately and you don't know him whereas you've got Hill in house etc.

I seriously doubt they'd do it. But if Andy feels like he can get say 80% of Tyreek out of Hardman and they like some of these other young WR's, well....

BossChief 07-22-2019 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14358862)
I've kinda thought about that Boss. They stuck by him thru all this and by all accounts love the dude, but if the Jags wanted to make that trade...….I'd prrrrrooooobbbballlyyy say no.

But i'd think about it.
The WRs are STACKED on this squad. I genuinely think the offense could absorb the loss of Tyreek without a massive drop in productivity.

But the addition of Ramsey to the defense IMMEDIATELY boosts the D into a top 10 defense, imo. It would also change the way we would gameplan for every offense we face.

It’s the kind of move BB would likely make. He signed/re-signed lots of elite corners (Law, Revis, Gilmore...among others) to extensions and FA deals...and never valued WRs enough to pay them. Banked on Tom making his WRs versus the other way around. I wouldn’t be shocked if Veach followed that mold.

I’m not sure this team can win a title without adding an elite CB. If they do, it will take some lucky bounces from time to time in big games.

Adding a guy like Ramsey would change everything.

staylor26 07-22-2019 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14358889)
Just depends.

If Hill still wants 20 mil per and they feel uncomfortable doing that now, gotta do something different.

You'd have to pay Ramsey immediately and you don't know him whereas you've got Hill in house etc.

I seriously doubt they'd do it. But if Andy feels like he can get say 80% of Tyreek out of Hardman and they like some of these other young WR's, well....
You’re much more likely to get Hill at a “discount” than you are Ramsey.

O.city 07-22-2019 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14358899)
The WRs are STACKED on this squad. I genuinely think the offense could absorb the loss of Tyreek without a massive drop in productivity.

But the addition of Ramsey to the defense IMMEDIATELY boosts the D into a top 10 defense, imo. It would also change the way we would gameplan for every offense we face.

It’s the kind of move BB would likely make. He signed/re-signed lots of elite corners (Law, Revis, Gilmore...among others) to extensions and FA deals...and never valued WRs enough to pay them. Banked on Tom making his WRs versus the other way around. I wouldn’t be shocked if Veach followed that mold.

I’m not sure this team can win a title without adding an elite CB. If they do, it will take some lucky bounces from time to time in big games.

Adding a guy like Ramsey would change everything.
There's some potential for the WR's for sure. I'm not at the "stacked" point yet.

Especially if you take away Tyreek. He's the clear cut just top end guy and the one guy on a legit HOF path. The off field stuff and contract is the issue, but i'm gonna go out on a limb and say if BB had that guy, he'd re sign him.

I would understand the trade, but damn it would be hard.

O.city 07-22-2019 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14358904)
You’re much more likely to get Hill at a “discount” than you are Ramsey.
I thought that, but with the timing and such i'm not sure.

You probably can't do a deal now, with all the stuff that's happened and the PR hit etc. So you've gotta wait til mid season or after the season. Well, if he blows up and goes for another 1500 and 10 TD's, I doubt there's a discount to be had.

staylor26 07-22-2019 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14358910)
I thought that, but with the timing and such i'm not sure.

You probably can't do a deal now, with all the stuff that's happened and the PR hit etc. So you've gotta wait til mid season or after the season. Well, if he blows up and goes for another 1500 and 10 TD's, I doubt there's a discount to be had.
Even then I still don’t think Hill’s contract demands with be as unreasonable as Ramsey’s.

We’re talking about a guy that said “they’re going to have to pay me so much, they’ll have to put me on layaway”.

O.city 07-22-2019 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14358914)
Even then I still don’t think Hill’s contract demands with be as unreasonable as Ramsey’s.

We’re talking about a guy that said “they’re going to have to pay me so much, they’ll have to put me on layaway”.
For sure.

But again, if Tyreek is going to want 20 mil per that was rumored earlier, eh, i'd imagine they're both gonna be pretty big.


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