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Looks like Spagnuolo [favorite for] DC
(https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=320843)
His job will be very clear. Find a way to stop all the long clock killing drives that killed us. No one expects dominance but hold teams down forba half would be enough.
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We just need a average DC
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DJLN is killing it in this thread. I could not disagree with one word he has said if I wanted to.
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The defense was about as aggressive as it could be. |
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But the Ravens are an interesting example in that their DC was the DC in Denver in 2010 and they were awful. I just don't know how much a DC can do in terms of being so crazy creative without talent. I think you're also underrating the Ravens talent and I think they're an example of what we need to look at in terms of just having good players everywhere. This great here and shit there approach just doesn't work anymore on defense. |
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Spags and Rex Ryan are the two guys I didn't want. This may not be an upgrade at all.
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Here's who he had on that 2016 defense that was top 10:
Defensive linemen 96 Jay Bromley DT 95 Johnathan Hankins DT 98 Damon Harrison DT 58 Owa Odighizuwa DE 78 Romeo Okwara DE 90 Jason Pierre-Paul DE 99 Robert Thomas DT 54 Olivier Vernon DE 72 Kerry Wynn DE Linebackers 52 Jonathan Casillas OLB 93 B. J. Goodson MLB 94 Mark Herzlich OLB 59 Devon Kennard OLB 57 Keenan Robinson OLB 91 Kelvin Sheppard MLB 53 Deontae Skinner OLB 97 Ishaq Williams OLB Defensive backs 33 Andrew Adams FS 24 Eli Apple CB 29 Nat Berhe FS 21 Landon Collins SS 25 Leon Hall CB 20 Janoris Jenkins CB 37 Eric Pinkins SS 41 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB 30 Coty Sensabaugh CB 31 Trevin Wade CB |
It's honestly not surprising, with the way Reid basically does nothing with the defense I don't think he was ever going to higher some young coach who'd never done it before.
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But young coaches, especially the superstars, those ****ers are grinders man. They are 1,000 mph and they will kill themselves to get a shot at the big chair. They are so often out there providing the energy and the shot in the arm that an organization needs. If I am looking for a "Head Coach of the Defense" then the EXACT guy I'm looking for is the hungry up and comer that will have the fire and energy and straight up hunger to go put forward the 100 hours that he needs to learn and create. Not Romeo ****ing Crennel or Gunther or some other recycled old guy who thinks he has the answers already. There's ample cause to flip that entire paradigm on its head and say that if you're looking for someone to turn the keys over to, the young guy is the way you SHOULD go. |
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This reeks of a hire who would keep his kid as the DL coach. He and Andy are besties, so no way would he fire junior. God damnit Andy.
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Good old Andy "keep it in the family" Reid.
I get wanting just an average defense, but the skies the limit here and we're settling for someone who is bottom tier by all measures. I don't understand this mentality Andy can go out and get anyone and is stuck with this decision for a while probably at least in his mind. |
Some won't like this aspect, but I'm just satisfied they are getting away from the 34. It's just so damn hard to find players for it
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Is he going to stand on the sidelines with his thumb up his ass like Bob did?
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I am still holding out hope for a Kris Richard miracle... ironically he would be the exact type of innovative/young and upcoming coach that Andy usually chooses for his OC/QB coach hires. He should apply that same strategy towards hiring a new DC. |
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Y'all just wait. It's gonna be fine. His '16 defense was very good, the '17 had crucial injuries and the offense cratered too. New Orleans he was ****ed with bounty-gate. St. Louis was an organizational mess at the time.
And I'm a fan of moving away from a 3-4 where you have 260 lb. linebackers trying to cover running backs. It's good. It'll be fine, and I'll bet they're middle of the pack next year, which should be plenty good enough. |
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Did you guys really think he was going to go out of his comfort zone to hire someone?
It's Andy Reid we're talking about here. |
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Also 1-1 in the playoffs is very important to Mahomes from an experience stand point |
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I have a thought ...
Maybe a blitz-heavy, sizzle-type defense is good. If it works, we get off the field. If it fails, the enemy scores and we get off the field. Either way, we get off the field. We all know that the secret to success for the Chiefs has to do with the number of possessions our offense gets during a game. More possessions means more points. More points means more pressure on the enemy which means more dropbacks and more blitzes. It's like a snake eating its own tail. Our offense is the business end of the snake. FAX |
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So with the current players under contract, they'll need another LBer to play there in the middle and a pass rusher or two.
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Yeah. Not sure this is an upgrade.
Andy, oh Andy.. Sigh. |
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Nothing is official and everyone is jumping off the cliff
ROFL ****ing CP |
SR needs to get a hold of Andy now and let him know he's making a huge mistake!
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Gibs to me moars |
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Whereas with one of these exciting young guys, our average outcome could be similar but with much higher variability. What if the guy totally didn't work and our defense actually regressed and we didn't even make Divisional Round because of it? I guess if I thought we were really far away from a Super Bowl, I'd be much more inclined to take the risk of one of these young guys. But Reid presumably knows exactly what he's getting with Spagnuolo which isn't a bad thing when we're this close. Add to that the fact that Reid probably wants to take a very hands-off approach with the defense and needs an adult in that role. Not saying I like the decision, but I understand it. There are so many factors that are going to determine whether this is a successful hire or not, so I'm not inclined to have too strong of an opinion at this point one way or the other. |
After typing that name 3 times I realize why everyone just calls him Spags now.
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Chiefs rehashing that trash... Gotta love it...
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I would also agree that I'm guessing this came from their agent to Schefter.
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Steve Spag-no-lol Defensive Ranking Averages over 9 Years Coaching
Yards = 20th Points = 20th Passing Yards = 19th Rushing Yards = 20th |
Interesting to note with Spagnuolo ties is Andre Curtis of the Seahawks and Matt House the Kentucky DC a few have mentioned when talking about up and coming college coaches were both on Spagnuolo’s staff when he was HC of the Rams. 2009-2011.
Curtis has the title of Pass Game Co so unless his contract is up Pete wouldn’t let him go for a lateral move. Bringing in House as LB coach and bringing some fresh looks and ideas from college and possibly setting himself up as the future DC would be a good move imo |
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2409512-steve-spagnuolos-scheme-familiarity-is-what-transitioning-giants-defense-needs[/URL]
I can't embed for some reason. Anyway, this is an article from 2015 and talks a lot about his scheme and concepts as he was returning to NY. |
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Spaglund's
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I agree this defense was terrible. Historically bad. And bringing in almost anyone should be better. But it's not impossible for this defense to regress with the wrong style of coach. |
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Sadly that's a massive improvement. IIRC, Bob Sutton's D's basically trended straight down YoY in both points and yards until we were in the 30's. |
I hope this is Fake News.
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Zero creativity, passion or risk = same results |
Going on record - I hate this hire. Hope I'm wrong.
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I have watched some of the videos on Spags. One thing is very clear, he is a student of the game. He clearly understands what is happening on the field and how best to defend it.
He is aggressive and does not sit back and let the offense dictate. This is what we have been asking for. No more long sustained drives keeping our Offense off the field. IF this is the guy, lets give him a chance. The game has changed but he is well suited to change also. We know he has the attitude we are looking for. |
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We have the same lack of talent on this D as well... Your point? |
Giants fan on Spagnuolo.
Very much bend don’t break mentality and it felt like we struggled to make stops on 3rd downs and allowed long drives but became shutdown in the red zone. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. |
Just hire Rex Ryan, for God's sake. All of his defenses were at least decent, and most were very good.
And he also had some success vs the Patriots. Just go get his ass. |
He knows he needs to be better than Sutton. I think he gets it.
Not jumping off the cliff just yet like most have already done. |
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Say “I” and then spell “cup” |
Hire someone who is average at best as long as they don't challenge you as a head coach
then when it doesn't work out do that again |
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I'll hold out hope that this is just being floated by his agent.....but I assumed this is who we would hire from the get go.
It's whatever... |
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"Guys, dont jump off the cliff yet LMAOROFLLMAOROFLLMAO," |
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He still is rehashed trash, being passed team to team with the same results. |
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And there it is... |
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