I just can't believe the amount of denial on this board. The evidence is right in front of them. Hell go back to the Patriots game, the Patriots committed only 1 penalty? They were called for 1 penalty in a sport that I'm told

Also...why is ref winking at Goff? if you break down what a wink gesture actually signifies...it's pretty strange.

When you wink at someone...what are you communicating? It usually represents an unspoken siding with someone...about something you dont want verbalized.

Refs shouldn't be "winking" at any player during a game...it implies favoritism.

Obviously, Mahomes is in on the massive conthpirathy to keep the Chiefs down :tinfoil:

MUH LEAGUE IS AGIN ME!

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I don't think Mahomes has much desire to talk shit, he's above doing that. But Marcus Peters history generally would suggest he wasn't being nice.

That's the whole reason for NFL profit sharing, dummy. The NFL intentionally shares the profits because some teams are more profitable. It's not a secret.
Guess what, the Cowboys are the most profitable team in the NFL by a huge margin. They've been shit for a decade. Also in the top 10 of team profits... The Giants, Redskins, 49ers. Yeah.... you can really see how much the NFL is propping up the most profitable teams.

I call it like I see it. I was in Long Beach a few weeks ago and had trouble finding a sports bar - any sports bar. I had to drive to Seal Beach or somewhere, and the first one I found had no food menu and half a dozen sad-looking people in it who were clearly only there for the alcohol, so I had to leave and find another one (which in fairness was a good one). I go to Orange County regularly, and have found precisely one sports bar there so far that's what I would call legit. I ran a race in Escondido a few years ago and drove all over trying to find a sports bar afterwards. I ran a race north of downtown Los Angeles last year and could only find a pathetic one in that area. Here in Denver, I've got 10 that are within a 15 minute drive.

Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe there's a different term for them that I don't know. But all I know is that it's hard for me to find a place to watch games when I'm there, and I'm not just hanging out in one area.

And I also observe that three NFL franchises have pulled out of the area over the years. That seems notable.

Ohh, and just an FYI.... the LA Rams were actually the 6th least profitable NFL team last year. Which is actually 7 slots lower than JAX. So this is just ****ing dumb on your part.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...teams-in-2010/

You just stated the problem the league wants to solve.

No, they just want games slanted a certain way. We got a TON of calls at home against Frisco and Denver...

kyzirsoze lives in L.A. and goes to a Chiefs bar that looks amazing. Packed house, people doing the chop, the works. Might be farther north than you want but worth checking out if you can.

Well.whatd you expect him to say? Obviously you've never heard a Mahomes press conference before, he keeps it professional and isn't the type who is going to be confrontational.

Even if that's what happened (it's not), the Chiefs players who were trying to pull Peters up didn't seem to think he was helping Mahomes out. Those 2 players are big dudes and you could tell Peters was trying to stay on top of Mahomes because they were having a hard time pulling him off. He's a little guy, they should have easily been able to pick him off.

So it looked to be malicious, those 2 Chiefs players seemed to think it was malicious, but that official standing right there watching the whole thing decides that it's fine?

Bingo, in no way shape or form should LA ever be that low in the NFL's eyes that is a top 2 market.

And for the other comment yea, KC got a bunch of calls in the SF game, had I been a SF fan I'd have been like yea... here we go.

Games are definitely steered a certain way. It's too obvious.

:facepalm:JFC... Again... with NFL profit sharing, it doesn't matter. Which is why the most profitable teams currently have the shittiest record. If the NFL wanted to fix games to increase profit, they would fix games of the most profitable teams. But in fact it's the exact opposite. It doesn't support your dumb theory any way you spin it.

This is why the Steelers get the treatment they do...and KC misses 3 FGs in the playoffs.

It would seem like if they could generate interest in football in LA that the profits would go up for everyone. What's the point of moving into one of the biggest markets possible if it barely makes any money? They aren't going to be happy if they have that big ass market with tons of potential money, but only get more money than 5 or 6 other teams. They want interest in the LA teams. If those teams are losers thaen no one will give a shit, but if they have a high powered team that's putting up 50+ points in a shoot out, profits will go up.

Dude that is not true at all, you don't think if LA is an elite level team there is way more money to be made than if I dunno Green Bay is good?

The NFL is probably having a spoogefest this year considering both LA teams, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago and Dallas are in the playoff races...

...and Houston

LAR is the 26th most profitable team.
LAR is 19th in attendance.
LAR received lower TV ratings last year in LA than they did in St. Louis, while having the second best record in the NFC.

So again, your argument just doesn't work...

I'll check with him if I'm in the area. There have to be some good ones, and maybe I've just had bad luck. I'm usually in Orange County and I've found one there that's convenient (I'm not getting on the freeways if I can avoid it), but I'm just surprised that I can't find more. And the one that I've found is not large by any means.

You are being so obtuse about this........

They want the LAR to be in the top 5 in every single one of those categories because it's LA and they are building a 5 billion dollar stadium...

So the Rams are being pushed to the mother****ing moon because there is money to be made there that is sitting on the table. The same as about 20 years ago there was all this money to be made in Boston yet they were a bottom feeder....

If you don't understand the point I am making to the point that you are going to throw up numbers that support the exact reason they are propping up that team to draw in dollars, then stop arguing with me because you're either dumb or being intentional about it.

Again, your theory is tragically flawed. The NFL has no reason to prop up specific teams for profit when there is a complex profit sharing system in place. There's dozens of other teams that disprove that. Not to mention that a specific team's win/loss record doesn't directly equate to profit. The numbers clearly disprove what you're alluding to.

I'm willing to buy the NFL isn't tipping the scales argument if the argument is gross incompetence on the part of the NFL, and their whole officiating organization

So you really think if everything is pushing at it's peak the KC market can make as much money for the NFL as KC can...if you think that you aren't smart.

There is more money and eyeballs in LA than here or really anywhere but NY. LA being in the top 5 of those categories is more profitable for the entire ****ing league.

Hard concept to understand I guess.

Are you really trying to sell the point that the NFL has no reason to prop up two new LA teams...when they have a 4 billion dollar complex being built in a 20 miilion person city that is notorious for being uninterested in NFL football?

Yeah, no motivation to assure this experiment succeeds...none at all.

Fish "didn't see" he stadium deal

It's irrelevant. With profit sharing it doesn't really matter. And the NFL certainly isn't going to risk running a huge conspiracy when they don't have to. They're rolling in profit. Fixing games isn't necessary. Profit sharing ensures that the get the same profit regardless of which team does better. That's the entire point of profit sharing!

I just showed you the numbers proving that to be incorrect. Comparing just the Chiefs and Rams, the Chiefs had higher NFL profits last year, better attendance numbers, and better TV ratings.

You're showing me numbers of where they sit when they have an uninterested fan base...hence why they'd like them to be interested.

How come the NFL allowed Jacksonville to almost get to the SB? To prop up their move to London?

The NFL isn't the one investing money in the new stadium, dummy. Plus, the stadium isn't going to be used strictly for NFL games. The NFL profits regardless of where they play.

Apparently you missed the ref literally celebrating with the Pats after a score in the AFC championship game.

Speaking of having an agenda does anyone find it odd whatsoever that both Carolina and Jacksonville broke the record their first season for wins by an expansion team and then both teams made the play-offs in their second season.

Just curious if that's odd whatsoever or just another NFL coincidence.

Damn dude really? Listen I appreciate the fact that some don't want to believe the NFL has any corruption but there are instances in this very thread that it's a possibility,(Otter's post,my video) do a little research.

If it doesn't sway you fine but at least take a look at what could be credible evidence.

Their RT false started more than he didn't.


LOS ANGELES

Why would the NFL not want the Chiefs to be in the Super Bowl? Mahomes is a money making machine. He is literally must watch TV.

Putting Brady in the SB again will be boring. I can see the Steelers maybe because they have such a strong fanbase and some exciting players.

Do you really think that if the NFL is rigged, they wouldn’t want a historical game like last night as their finale?

I don’t think people realize how much ****ing money Mahomes made these goddamn owners last night.

This... want to win back fans and create better ratings? Last night's game is the way to go. All this whining about refs and conspiracy theories is crazy. I think it's a product of a decade plus of agony, quite honestly. Things are changing in KC and you now have the 'elite QB'. If you read the comments around here, no team is more consistently screwed by the NFL than KC... and KC never gets good calls. It's just not true. Bad calls are pretty evenly distibuted.

The Chiefs now have a "golden boy" and I think a Super Bowl is definitely in his future.Last night was a regular season game and a feel good win for LA victims.

Hell whose to say KC only has these two losses by 3 points each and then gets revenge,if you will,in the postseason on both the Pats and Rams.

:clap: when you include the much desired LA market, it was just too much of a Hollywood script. Very, very entertaining game though.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/media...efs/index.html

11.3 overnight rating for ESPN. That's the best overnight rating for "Monday Night Football" since 2014.

Monday night's ratings were up more than 57% from last year's week 11 match-up, which was between the Atlanta Falcons and the Seattle Seahawks.

It's battered fan syndrome. KC is the new cinderella. We have the most exciting QB in the league, who just put up 6 TDs in a crazy MNF game. Mahomes is the most discussed athlete in sports right now. We're 9-2, and pretty much a lock for the playoffs, but by reading some threads around here you'd never be able to tell...

The officiating in general is medicore and inconsistent around the league. I think fans of any team will say that. But the whackjobs around here that think the NFL is conspiring every week to keep the poor Chiefs down... when we have an MVP type player and a circus offense that puts on shows like we saw last night and drives ratings... makes no sense, it's really nuts. It's embarrassing for the fan base and makes us look like a bunch of low football IQ yokels.

KC is pretty much a lock for the #1 seed in the AFC and HFA...

This game kind of reminded me of the Chiefs having to play the Giants at their place, for the first game after the 9/11 attacks.

But this game was very entertaining, that one wasn't.

Except that game was at Arrowhead.

The Broncos pulled one out at the end Sunday against a LOS ANGELES team in spite of the horrendous calls at the end that would have given the game to LOS ANGELES. The bogus offensive pass interference and the 2 point conversion.

This game was full of those.

The Rams right tackle was allowed to false start 13 times last night with no penalty.

There is definitely a conspiracy.

We will need Mahomes to be 10% better to defeat it.

A conspiracy at least implies that the NFL's officiating crew has a clue what they're doing.

If this was the best of the best the NFL has to offer, with no bias and no attempt to tip the scales, then holy shit the NFL should be ashamed and embarrassed.

There were calls on both sides that were bad... they should have challenged the 2pt call, likely would have won it. Thankfully, Rivers did his thing at the end and had a mental meltdown when it mattered most. That final play by him still confuses the hell out of me, it was so quick and such a decisive throw to the ground behind the lineman as if it was designed.

Hmm... maybe. (wait a minute)

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Did the league just decide to prop Denver up for some unknown reason and there was a message delivered to Rivers to throw the game intentionally?

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You sound just like the asshole Bronco fan in my office.

Of course nothing is ever rigged when you root for one of the most despicable cheating organizations in all of sports.

After the first quarter, the refs backed off and called the game pretty evenly. We're just a little upset that there were (if I remember right) 11 penalties called against the Chiefs in the first quarter that directly produced 13 points for Los Angeles. I think nine of those were accepted. That just seems a little over the top, particularly when there were some obvious penalties by the Rams that were not called.

The NFL expended so much effort on rigging up the Rams game that they forgot all about the other LA team they're supposed to be helping out...

Maybe refs today just suck.

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I don't know man. It sure bugged me that a) bring in "all-star" refs, b) literally every single big call went against us for the first half - many of them ticky tack. The second half seemed a lot more equitable to me.

If there was some riggage it would seem to be to the effect of "The only thing we don't want is a Chiefs blowout." So once they got us playing from behind they backed off the ticky-tack penalties on every play.

Again, I really hope this isn't true. But man. The NFL knows they have first and foremost an entertainment product, they know LA fans are fickle and they DESPERATELY want to keep them engaged.

Didn't Tim Donaghy come out and say that refs Stern brought in for the Lakers/Kings game six were explicitly called in to rig the game? The refs called a foul on the Kings on almost every play, and almost everyone, even sober pundits, thinks that game was legitimately rigged. Donaghy said they didn't even have to communicate the riggage - as they refs knew what the league wanted when they brought them in for just that game. So the "all star" refs are really just "Goodell's boys" and they know they'll continue to be rewarded if they play ball (as the NBA guys were "Stern's boys" in Donaghy's terms).

Here's the story:

Sure feels like that. Except not as blatant. They didn't need the Rams to win, just wanted to make sure we didn't jump out to a big lead and not blow them out.

Again - I sure hope this isn't really true.

But I also remember "holding Dave Szott" as like the worst sports-fandom play of my life, and start to wonder. Golden Boy Marino, Miami big market, still in Shula glow. No one's ever seen a replay of that hold.

This.

Dang it, memory again, you are right. I remember all the hoopla for the Giants mainly.

They did help them out, you both totally missed the point as usual. They called offensive pass interference on the Broncos that was totally bullshit. should have been the nail, but it wasn't, the Broncos overcame it.

Do you even watch football?

I knew what you were referring to... the receiver had his hand inside the defenders helmet, but it was DPI. They definitely overcame it, suprisingly.

I'm gonna say yes, the league wanted LA to get this one

Egregiously ticky-tack defensive backfield calls against us
Multiple obvious false starts by their RT uncalled
Suh cheapshots Mahomes uncalled
Peters takes helmet off uncalled
Dee Ford gets a chokehold

Thats just a few off the top of my head, how could a supposed all star crew be that bad if not on purpose?

I'll say this - and it ISN'T a conspiracy. The NFL is allowing a 4.5 BILLION dollar stadium to be built in a market that is notorious for NOT supporting NFL teams.

Last night (in case you weren't watching) was called "Marketing 101" with the "Poor pity Kalifornia" routine in order to build up a fan base that will (hopefully) last through construction. In my opinion, there was little chance that the Chiefs were going to leave there winners. Play that game on a Neutral field or in KC and it's lights out.

It WAS, however, one of the finer games I have ever had the pleasure of watching and I was actually "tired" after the game. Lots of highs and lots of lows.

Here is the bottom line: We have one of the finest QBs in the league. That kid is the real deal and will be for years to come.

And what was the point of that "All Star" crew? Beats the hell out of me. They were some of the worst I have seen this year. All that you mentioned above happened. No conspiracy there...almost like the NFL had the outcome of the game determined all along and the Chiefs (damn them LMAO) almost destroyed their "pity party" for Los Angeles..... ROFL

I was emotionally and physically exhausted as well. Walking around in a daze trying to find the Metro stop. Imagine how the players must have felt?

Right - so your argument is that riggage is unnecessary because of profit-sharing.

Could it be possible that the most-profitable teams - as well as the teams like LA with huge leverage for their media market and NFL's desperate desire for Lakers-level fandom to take hold - only go along with it on the basis that they know they're gonna get some help when it matters most?

I feel like if they NFL had their way a big-market team would win something like 4 out of 5 superbowls. Same is true for MLB and NBA. Now work backwards and ask, in an era of concern about declining ratings and stadium revenues, if they would actually take steps to try to make that happen.

Most people seem to think the NBA did, at least with the Patrick Ewing -> Knicks lottery miracle, if not the fixed Lakers/Kings game and who knows what else. Is it that far-fetched the NFL would try to put their thumb on the scale here and there to do the same thing?

I watched the entire game. I saw the LA team, at home, lose the game to a lesser Donkey team. But yeah I supposed that's also part of the conspiracy...

The move didnt make any sense, it was unprecedented

I wanna see those Ram mother****ers again down in Atlanta...

One thing I'm also curious about. Has anyone confirmed how these "all star" refs were selected? Is this solely up to the commissioner? Is there any transparency?

"Hey, who wants a free trip to LA?"

That one was just to throw people off the scent. :tinfoil:

The non block in the back on the punt return. Not only were they missing things right in front of them, they were also making up calls as they went along.

Did the ref wink at Goff after ****ing us over? You damn right.

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Yeah, and all of a sudden Keenum went from being a poor man's Alex Smith the entire game, to Joe Montana for a couple of plays.

I was like, what the heck just happened?:eek:

So you think the teams are also in on the fix? Does that really make sense? Dallas has double the revenue of 21 other teams in the NFL. They're sitting at .500 and have sucked for years now. Are you saying teams like Dallas are knowingly donating their profit while getting no ref help so the NFL can give preferences to other teams? That seems reasonable? Nevermind that it ignores the impossibility of a huge conspiracy like that.

The holier than thou crowd wont get any traction with me

Supposed top shelf professionals dont make that many blatant mistakes

You are denser than a concrete wall. Let me spell it out in small words for you.

Did you not see the calls at the end of game that favored the LA team? Bullshit calls?

I hate Denver as much as the next guy on here, but that was crazy. Keenun looked like crap and somehow found another gear to overcome it.

Some of you remind me of that spoiled 8 year old kid that doesn't want to believe it when he is told there is no Santa Claus or Easter bunny.

Reality sucks, but this is a multi billion dollar business with no accountability.

It is entertainment.

If you were secretly rigging a game, do you think you would drop a wink on live TV? That would also imply that Goff was in on it as well. Really?

1) The Cowboys are a marketing machine on their own, with or without winning.
2) Goodell and Jerry aren't exactly friendly and this may be part of it.
3) The Cowboys DO get ref help to some degree...do you watch their games? The games aren't totally fixed, just tilted. A team can be good enough to overcome (see Jax last year) or squander the opportunity (like the Rams almost did last night).
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Do you think they'd make blatant calls/no calls for the world to see? Really?
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