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RunKC 09-01-2017 01:49 PM

My bold prediction was that DJ White was going to be cut, and I think t happens. My next prediction is that the Chiefs are going to scour the cut lists for a Charcandrick West replacement.

He hasn't been as good as the 2015 version and that stupid ass penalty in Seattle did him zero favors.

DaneMcCloud 09-01-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13050536)
Maclin's contract was retail -- it wasn't asinine. Hali's pushed asinine.

No other NFL GM was handing out a $55 million dollar deal to Jeremy Maclin. No one.

Coupled with the loss of a 3rd round pick, there's no other way to describe as anything other than as an asinine (your words) deal.

DaneMcCloud 09-01-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13050875)
2019 might be a bitch, but such is the nature of having several good young players. At some point you gotta pay for 'em.

I'm totally with you and I think it's likely that some of these players are moved (Ramik Wilson, for example) if Eligwe and Ragland become what they expect them to become.

I'm sure that this was all Veach's plan presented to Hunt.

He had a solution for every upcoming player and cap issue and it shows in the moves he's made so far.

DaneMcCloud 09-01-2017 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13050797)
Chiefs in cap hell?

They need to extend Peters for certain, they'll need a backup QB, OLBer depth and maybe a CB. If Ford doesn't progress, they may need two OLBers and with no first round draft choice, they'll be in a pickle during the draft.

I just don't see it as rosy.

DaneMcCloud 09-01-2017 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13050522)
It doesn't eat up anything more than the $1.5 million in accelerated signing bonus that they'd end up eating next year anyway. The 'dead money' is already factored into the cap as salary. Cutting a guaranteed salary doesn't make it double count - it's still only in there once.

They can absolutely cut him, I just don't think they will because they don't have any gain in doing it at all. They can just PUP or IR him and maybe bring him back later. Or just leave him at home.

Dude, I'm not sure what you're looking at to come to this conclusion. A Post June 1st cut would create $1.25 million in Cap Space but come with $7.34 million in Dead Money.

https://overthecap.com/player/tamba-hali/531

If they cut him after the 2017 season and before the 2018 season, those figures basically flipflop with $1.56 in Dead Money and $7 million in Cap Savings.

O.city 09-01-2017 05:17 PM

One guy I'm keeping an eye on is Aaron Lynch. I think the 9ers are gonna cut him. He'd be a nice pickup for Olb depth

DJ's left nut 09-01-2017 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13051281)
Dude, I'm not sure what you're looking at to come to this conclusion. A Post June 1st cut would create $1.25 million in Cap Space but come with $7.34 million in Dead Money.

https://overthecap.com/player/tamba-hali/531

If they cut him after the 2017 season and before the 2018 season, those figures basically flipflop with $1.56 in Dead Money and $7 million in Cap Savings.

The dead money replaces the salary. The only thing 'added' is the accelerated signing bonus.

So his cap hit is worse yes, but not exorbitantly so. It's worse by the amount of the accelerated bonus. By saying that it only creates 1.25 million in cap space, you're double counting his salary (as both salary and dead money).

The 'dead money' IS the salary. Its dead because its guaranteed. If it wasnt guaranteed, it wouldnt be dead money. So if you don't subtract it from the team cap before adding the dead money back in, you're double counting. Otherwise where is it coming from? The math is pretty easy on this one.

Hell, since its a post June 1 cut, the bonus won't even accelerate onto this year's cap. There's effectively no penalty for cutting Hali from a financial perspective.

DaneMcCloud 09-01-2017 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13051973)
The dead money replaces the salary. The only thing 'added' is the accelerated signing bonus.

So his cap hit is worse yes, but not exorbitantly so. It's worse by the amount of the accelerated bonus. By saying that it only creates 1.25 million in cap space, you're double counting his salary (as both salary and dead money).

The 'dead money' IS the salary. Otherwise where is it coming from? The math is pretty easy on this one.

He'll, since its a post June 1 cut, the bonus won't even accelerate onto this year's cap. There's effectively no penalty for cutting Hali from a financial perspective.

Okay, I guess I totally misunderstood the Post June 1 cut.

So, what happens? If the Chiefs start 7-2, do they "silently" release him?

DJ's left nut 09-01-2017 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13051274)
They need to extend Peters for certain, they'll need a backup QB, OLBer depth and maybe a CB. If Ford doesn't progress, they may need two OLBers and with no first round draft choice, they'll be in a pickle during the draft.

I just don't see it as rosy.

If Ford doesn't progress, his 5th yr option is guaranteed for injury only and they'll cut him to free up 8 million.

They're fine next year.

DaneMcCloud 09-01-2017 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13051981)
If Ford doesn't progress, his 5th yr option is guaranteed for injury only and they'll cut him to free up 8 million.

They're fine next year.

But they'll need to replace him, which will probably cost more.

$10 million seems to be the going rate for 10 sack guys that are UFA's.

DJ's left nut 09-01-2017 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13051977)
Okay, I guess I totally misunderstood the Post June 1 cut.

So, what happens? If the Chiefs start 7-2, do they "silently" release him?

Nothing. I see no real point either way. Just leave him on the IR and let him fade from the fans collective memory. Like I said, they don't gain anything by releasing him either. They took shit for cutting Charles when it clearly helped them. Just leave him there, avoid the PR headache and send him off to the glue factory.

The only difference on a post June 1 cut these days is that it takes all the remaining signing bonus charges and puts them on the following years cap. If it's pre June 1, they go on this year's cap. Guaranteed salary is this year's cap regardless of when cut.

DJ's left nut 09-02-2017 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13051983)
But they'll need to replace him, which will probably cost more.

$10 million seems to be the going rate for 10 sack guys that are UFA's.

Perhaps. But that's still only adding $2 million to the salary structure. There's room for that.

I just think there needs to be a fair amount of doom and gloom for the chiefs to really get in cap trouble. For instance, let's say that Ford isn't bad but rather blows an ACL in week 16. That's the nightmare scenario. Now his injury guarantee triggers but you still have to replace him. So you need that $10 million FA but don't free up the $8 million to pay him. So you backload a deal with a high bonus and end up robbing Peter in '18 to pay Paul in '19 when the backload kick in and you're now tight on the cap trying to find a plan for Peters.

I mean there are scenarios that could **** us, sure. But it takes a pretty dour outlook to get there.


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