Mahomes wins MVP, still can't get his peers to vote him #1.

Lamar runs around a bunch and wins MVP while throwing for fewer than 4000 yards, dumbasses crown his ass with #1.

Just saying... there's some bullshit out there in the land of players. I won't be surprised if NFL players still refuse to give him the #1 spot after this season.

Yep. He's certainly on pace to be one of the best ever.

Henry has no chance at MVP. They're not letting RB's win it back to back.

Just my opinion, but just remembering my days at TSN and how op-ed pieces were written, we have to remember that controversy sells. They have to keep the conversation going or they don't sell papers, as it were.

The voting happens pretty soon. Given his epic performance in the playoffs last year and MVP level stuff this year, I think they will put him #1 this time. But I kinda hope they put him #4 again. He clearly enjoys the challenge of proving people wrong over and over again.

Lots of chatter! Well, Stephen A. Smith does talk a lot, so I guess that counts as lots of chatter.

LOL remember when we used to think things like "Jamaal is the best player in the league right now, it's bullshit the award is always going to QB's!!!".

Then we'd hitch our hopes and dreams to a RB and a QB that might be able to get over the hump. Bad times.

"lots of chatter."

It was literally like two guys on two shows for about thirty seconds.

Fisted's desperation to be relevant is either really sad or freaking hilarious.

Derrick Henry was just average (112 yards rushing) in a loss to the pathetic Bengals team a few weeks ago (Cincy has the third worst rushing defense in the league).

A RB who is trying to get consideration as an MVP candidate cannot have average games/losses against the third worst run defense in the NFL.

Derrick Henry still isn't even the most important player on his own offense. The Titan's success is tethered to Tannehill, not a RB.

112 yards is average? Tough crowd...

The Bengals defense is awful.

For a RB going against the third worst run defense in the NFL and trying to get MVP consideration that is average.

Looks like he had 18 carries for 112 and a TD. That looks good to me.

The Bengals give up 137 rushing yards per game.

112 is actually below average.

I still think Mahomes is going to trail off starting now. We're going to be curbstomping everyone and he'll be bench-riding in the fourth. We'll probably have two or three 28-9 type wins down the stretch where Bell gets some TDs.

I think Rodgers ends up with a higher QB rating and about 5-6 more TDs.

Wrong. Tannehill is ok, but he thrives off of play action. Without Henry those defenses don’t bite so hard on those play fakes.

They give up 137 to one player every week? You're absolutely right then 112 is below average.

Hey, if you wanna crown Henry, go ahead.

RB's are antiques. He's not going to win MVP.

No. Tannehill is very average without being able to lean on PA. We proved that in the AFCCG. Take away Henry, and Tannehill is just an average QB.

Okay, maybe not 'very average,' that's overstating a little. He's better than just average, but he isn't top 10, so somewhere between 12-15 is more accurate.

Rodgers remaining games

Eagles at Green Bay

Lions in Detroit

Panthers at Green Bay

Titans at Green Bay

Bears in Chicago

Yeah, looks pretty easy. Maybe Aaron will be sitting out the last game.

not sure - he did drop 400/5 TDS on the Jets.

You might even get a situation where getting the MVP for Mahomes is a 'playcalling priority' in the absence of any other priorities (division locked up, just hoping Pitt loses a game), which would further inflate the numbers.

We do appear to have abandoned the run completely.

It’s great that Mahomes is having a third terrific season, but teams have a lot of tape on him now. The league will get him figured out this offseason.

/s

(Please pay attention to the /s this time, it’s there for your convenience)

^ This. For better or worse its a QB driven league and looks to be that way for a long time. Unless a RB shatters records he will never sniff a MVP. Michael Thomas put up insane record breaking numbers last year and Lamar was still the unanimous MVP. In spite of Aaron Donald being arguably the second best player in football he will never even come close to winning a MVP regardless of what he does.

As always, it depends on what is meant by "valuable." If that means "If you could choose any player in the NFL, who would you choose?', the answer is Mahomes.

Of course, the answer to many questions is Mahomes, so he should probably get it regardless of definition.

Here's why Patrick Mahomes had the greatest month for a quarterback in NFL history

The latest feat Mahomes accomplished is one no quarterback has ever reached -- and will be hard to beat even as NFL scoring and yardage numbers continue to reach an all-time high.

Mahomes finished the month of November completing 72.9% of his passes and throwing for 1,598 yards with 14 touchdowns to just one interception for a 123.1 passer rating. He averaged 399.5 passing yards per game in November, the highest average passing yards for any month in NFL history -- and arguably the greatest month for any quarterback ever.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/h...n-nfl-history/

Not crowning the guy, just pointing out how stupid it was to say that he had an average or below average game against the Bengals.

Part of the problem is that the definition of "MVP" is not unanimously understood. right now it seems to mean "Most Incredible Quarterback that Wins the Most Games Award."

This isn't a counter to my post. The quality of your RB doesn't actually make much of a difference when it comes to using PA. Pretty much all effective offenses make good use of PA. Hell, analytics tells us that there isn't even a strong correlation between running the ball and play action effectiveness.


And tbh the 12th best QB is going to produce more quality offense than the best rb in the league, the gulf in impact between the two positions is just that vast. But in either case, the Titans run these past two years has been mostly about the passing game, not Henry himself.

Maybe.

But take away Tannehill and insert decent QB and TEN still wins 9-10 games.

Take away Henry and insert average RB, and TEN doesn't even break even.

NFL defenses prepare for Henry, not Tannehill. It's part of the reason Tannehill is as efficient as he is, so long as they don't have to play from way behind. How DCs prep for a team tells you everything you need to know about who is the most dangerous player on a team.

We saw who the Titans were before Tannehill with Henry and how huge of a jump the offense made with Tannehill. If anything it's the other way around, we know that Henry without a decent QB leads to bad offense. You'd get a far lesser dropoff with Tannehill and a lesser RB. The Titans don't come anywhere near 10 wins with a lesser QB.


And the Chiefs in their playoff game against the Titans were more worried about Tannehill off PA than Henry, they didn't sell out to stop the run. Defensive coordinators know that the passing game is what leads to points and not rushing yards.

Uh, but they did. in the second half, the third Q, I believe, Spags went goal-line D twice to stop Henry. From mid-field. In my book that's selling out to stop Henry. Spags didn't turn the DLs loose on Tannehill until after the Chiefs had a two score lead.

And we'd have to go back and see just who they had on the offense for TEN pre-Tannehill besides Mariota to be sure of why they weren't very good. And I'm not interested enough in this conversation to do that.

But as I said above, DCs don't talk about Tannehill when they talk about the most dangerous player for TEN. They talk about stopping Henry. Since it's their job to stop offenses, I think I'll take their word for it.

Yet, Todd Bowles thought it was a good idea to throw single coverage at Tyreek Hill for most of the night.

Just saying...

I don't remember any goalline defenses, what I remember is the lack of heavy boxes for most of the first half.



The Titans had the same team, Tannehill took over midseason.



What coaches say in press conferences doesn't mean much of anything tbh. It's not even worth paying attention to.

I can't speak to execution per every DC. But in the pre-game presser Todd said everything every DC says about the Chiefs. "We gotta stop Mahomes from getting outside the pocket, we have to keep a lid on the big plays by Hill, Kelce and Hardman." Words to that effect. How he tried to do it was strange, but he knew who he needed to stop, which was my point.

I'm not saying that Spags didn't respect Tannehill, because I'm sure he did, but he knew that to make Tannehill just average he had to stop the run, so he had to stop Henry. He just didn't try to do it for an entire game, like everyone assumed he would. He did it to start the 2nd half. And kept doing it until we had a two score lead, then he focused on harassing Tannehill.

Well then all I can say is re-watch the second half. Spags calls GLD twice. From around the 40-50. I remember it very clearly because I was watching that game at a place called Roosters in Scottsdale with some of the Phoenix Gathering CPers, and standing right next to me was Scho, and someone at the table said, "are we running goal-line defense here?" And after the play one of the announcers said something about it. It was one of the ballsy-est calls I think I've ever seen in an Conference game.

Any team looking for a coach or GM this offseason, the first thing any candidate should be asked is -

"If you could have any player in the NFL to start a team right now who would it be?"

If they say any name but Mahomes you tell them the interview is over.

Tannehill and Henry take Tennessee to the AFCCG. Mariota and Henry don't even make the playoffs. Who in those scenarios is the same and who is different? Don't get me wrong, Henry is a beast and dominated in the playoffs but that example shows why RBs don't win MVPs anymore .

That's the question, and my answer is " I don't know." I haven't spent much time reviewing just who was on that team prior to Tannehill, either players or coaches so it's still up in the air, imo.

hell, I don't really care anyway. To me it's pretty simple: am I more scared of Henry or Tannehill? The answer is obviously Henry. Derrick Henry is exactly the kind of RB that the Chiefs aren't designed to stop efficiently. Not sure if any defense really is, but the Chiefs D isn't built to deal with 260-lb. fast RBs that are sneaky quick. Henry is an elite RB with homerun capability.

Tannehill is just an above average QB, a la Kirk Cousins or Jared Goff. Just not scary. And then take away Henry and make him pass more than run and he's really average-looking. Not a homerun hitter. More a contact hitter type. Heck, just re-watch the AFCCG 2nd half. Once we stuffed Henry and got a two score lead, Spags and the defense handled Tannehill pretty easily. He got 1 TD on a muffed coverage but other than that he was not a big deal.

This was the middle of last year so the person was Henry and the person who was different was the QB. My argument is not to diminish Henry as he is elite. Its no surprise that Henry started to dominate at a higher level once they made a QB change. If they only had to game plan for Henry why the sudden surge in yards once the QB switch?

Wasn't week 10 2019 when TEN started running Henry more?

And wasn't Tannehill's record as a starter before that something like 2-2 before they turned Henry loose? And then they went 5-2 or something after Henry started running for 180 yds/game?

And didn't Tannehill throw for something like 160 yards through the first two playoff games last season? Combined? Something like 75 yards in the first game and 85 in the second game? And then in the AFCCG after we stoned Henry for less than 70 yds, didn't Tannehill throw for barely 200 yards and a single score in the second half?

I know, some of those numbers are off a bit because I'm doing this from memory, but pretty sure they're close.

Anyway, as I recall, before week 10 TEN tried the whole "let's be balanced" thing and then after week 10 they changed tack and went run the heck out of Henry. And Henry was averaging 180 yards a game. Carrying about 30 times a game? Maybe more?

Seems to me Henry was the reason TEN went 5-2 down the stretch not Tannehill. Insert a competent QB with Henry and TEN is dangerous. Take Henry away, like HOU and NOR did last season, only allowing Henry to run for about 180 yards combined between those two games, and let Tannehill try to win it with his arm, and TEN loses.

Lol that's really good. People here are dumb as hell.

Against a Cincy defense that gives up 137 yards rushing per game.

Somehow CIN got up 17-7 on TEN in the first half. TEN was forced to throw more, so less Henry. Though as soon as they scored again and made it a one score game (judging this from the boxscore), it looks like the ball went back to Henry.

Anyone else notice that when Tannehill throws more than 30 times, TEN tends to lose more? Or that his numbers are very Alex Smith like? Less than 30 attempts, around 200-230 yds, about 60-65% completions, 1 or 2 TDs and an INT per game? Meanwhile Henry carries 25-35 times for 150+.

When Tannehill goes over 35 attempts, he might go aver 300, but mostly not, and he still usually gets a TD or 2, but his turnovers go up. The big difference is that Henry's carries go down significantly to 20 or less and TEN loses most of those games.

Lets not forget that the titans were coming off 4 straight road games with Henry being overused in the end. Chefs were lucky to draw the playoff matchups they had

Your defense sucked absolute monkey nuts. Chiefs were packing their shit in regardless

Why?

Everybody knows the Titans did all the dirty work in the playoffs. The chefs drew the sorry texans and the titans after 4 straight wks on the road. Henry was also nursing some soreness from the workload.

You are correct. The Titans are their best when Henry sets the game.
Tannehill can get it done though, they went up a few scores on the ravens then stopped throwing the ball. Why throw it when you can run henry down their throats. Although the heavy use backfired in the championship game though. Chefs got lucky there

Jackass

Maybe they’ll give the tits a participation trophy for their efforts.

:LOL:

Yeah, it's too bad the Chiefs didn't get the chance to face either the Patriots or the Ravens last year. I guess we'll never know how they might have matched up.

QBs win in the playoffs,Ryan Tannehill as your playoff QB means you might as well be Marty Schottenheimer.

Don't worry- nobody will forget how bad we kicked your ass!

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You gotta love this team.

Not only are they coworkers, but they genuinely seem like best friends off the field as well.

Make no mistake, that kind of chemistry is a HUGE reason why we're as good as we are. Complete and total trust, not only as football players, but as human beings as well.

Ironically the Chiefs could have faced the Ravens (whom the Chiefs had beaten earlier in the year) and the Patriots (same thing). Instead they had to face the Texans (who beat KC earlier in the year) and the Titans (same). Talk about lucky.

That Texans game was such an electrifying roller coaster ride. So glad I was able to be in the stands that day.

Side note: Goddamn do I miss going to games. I'm DYING to get to Arrowhead and it sucks that we can't all be there this year.

Mahomes just had the best month by a QB in NFL history- He is MVP so far and it is not even close.

Rodgers is right behind him. A Rod has 4 more TDs than Mahomes

Your life must be very empty.

Mahomes is just ABSURD. Try this: take any 16-week span of games and tot up his totals. They come out close to 5,000 yards and 50 TDs almost every time. it's freaking RIDICULOUS.

Plus, more interceptions, poor games and losses.

A-Rod is a stupid nickname as well. It's been used.

What about AA-Rod?

Now that you mention it.. yes i've had a pretty shitty life the past 2 years. Talking up the Titans gives me a small shred of joy in an otherwise dismal existence

I felt bad for the titans today when colin cowherd called your qb ryan fitzpatrick instead of tannehill

no respect

When looking at D. Henrys past production with a QB other than Tannehill and then Henrys production with Tannehill as his QB one can come to the assumption that Tannehill is the driving force to the Titans turn around.

Prior to Tannehill the Titans were 2-4 in 2019 and after Tannehill takes over the Titans go 9-4 and make it to the AFC title game and get their asses kicked by the Super Bowl winning Kansas City Chiefs. Now look at Henry's production during the 1st 6 games of last year

113 carries/416 yards/3.68 ypc/4 TDs

The last 10 games of the regular season with Tannehill

190 carries/1124 YDs/5.92 ypc/12 TDs

All teams had to do was key on the run. Mariota couldn't even complete 60% of his passes.

You won't be able to run the ball with zero threat of passing. Likewise, PA passing doesn't work if your run game isn't a threat.

Tannehill without Henry is the same as Henry without Tannehill - not as effective.

Probably pretty well considering we played and beat both teams in the reg season last year?

Had Green Bay not been run out of the stadium in the NFCCG, the entire postseason would have been a revenge tour destroying teams that beat us in the reg season.

Instead we got revenge on Dee Ford in the SB. That offside cost him 2 rings.

Mahomes is now - 400 to win! Bet $400 to win $100- Easy Money!

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-odds-wh...160156952.html

Is it Opposite Day?

The next moron who tells me KC woild be a playoff team without mahomes needs kicked in the balls. I see this snark all over the webz

Chad Henne behind this makeshift OL would be a catastrophe

Uhh... no.

The superbowl was a revenge game far deeper than 1 game. Forget Dee ford. That was gravy.

Mahomes Elway'd the Shanahans. Played like shit all game and stole it at the end. It was the PERFECT revenge game, and another demon slain by the exorcist St. Patrick

Hopefully, Mahomes puts up 350 yards, 4 TD's and no picks in the win.

In my defense, I was responding to him saying that Mahomes was an up and coming star at QB.

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Correct.

Matty Tyler Moore, however.....

Just a suggestion, but change allegiance. Become a Chiefs fan and enjoy the season for a change. Don't wait until Patrick is about to hang 'em up. Join now while you can still celebrate before Patrick even enters his prime.

In this scenario, there would be no Chiefs fans left. Everyone would be miserable Patriots fans right now