Exactly.

BipolarPlanet as usual. Either the GM is a freaking genius on par with Sir Isaac Newton or he has Mike Singletary disease. There no room on CP for a middle ground.

No.

Running backs have proven to be replaceable in this offense.

Peters was hot garbage for the Rams.

everyone compares him to Ford... the comp is Alan Bailey. We will move up and draft a speed rusher.

The common denominator on both those moves is CHunt’s focus on PR, not winning the SB.

This from a guy wishing injury on a player cause they don't like them... LOL...

And I'm the idiot...

... there is a reason he is paid a FRACTION of the of what Dee Ford got...

... does Nandi play the same position as Aaron Darnold?

Allen Bailey is a 3-4 DE (basically a Defensive tackle, interior lineman)

Okafor is purely a 4-3 DE (Edge, pass rusher)

Not the exact same (3-4 OLB vs 4-3 DE) but they are both edge players who will play on the end of the line and occupy the same spot on the defense

Now we're getting somewhere.

Whew!

That took awhile.

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Your and idiot.

How often does a Patriot lead the league in pressures?

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I'm starting to think you're not as popular IRL, that's why you spend so much time here...

Yes, your and idiot indeed. Feels good, eh?

They were actually ranked ahead of KC this year...

... we had Pats fans on here before the AFCCG educating us to that fact...

Every off-season? Your join date was 4 months ago. How do you know what kind track record our board GMs have?

Which Patriots player was ranked #1 in pressures last year?

I hope Veech is right about this JayWalking Jailbird.

You guys think you're SO SMART... LOL...

THINK about it for a second... I mean REALLY think...

... you'll figure it out eventually.

I'm despised in real life. Can't even show my face during the day without suffering the fear of getting whacked and flattened like a mob boss.

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You're a sackless mult?

Better that than an internet tough guy...:hmmm:

Both are annoying in my book.

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You enjoy licking every discarded condom you pass on the street? You like turtles? You STILL can't believe it's not butter?

This game is exciting

They didn't have one... but BB is there coach, so unless your point is that Spag's is as good as BB then I don't know what your point is...

I'm sure that was funnier in your head...

This is a very underwhelming signing.

This D is not going to have a pass rush next yr. And they'll still be ****in' ass at tackling. I didn't think the D could get worse, but it very well may be.

Roster needs talent. Just hiring a new DC/staff isn't going to fix KC's problems.

Chiefs were only good at 1 thing last yr, rushing the QB. That's no longer an option this yr.

Chiefs sure did pick a helluva year/FA pool to get rid of their best pass rushers. There isn't ****in dogshit avaiable, probably worst FA season in recent memory. Berry being released I understand, he wasn't a factor last season at all, but Ford and Houston were. I'm fine w/ getting rid of 1, but getting rid of both is downright ****ing stupid.

Who's going to rush the passer next yr? Okafor, Speaks, KPass, a ****ing rookie? Jones will get paid long term, then he'll phone it in once he's tired of being doubled on every play since no one else on the DL will be worth a shit.

I'm not laughing either.

Well I will let you know when your opinion matters to me...

... until then... stand by...

Good... cause that shit wasn't funny...

I didn't wish injury on anybody. You're a bold-faced liar.

They’re going to blitz to get pressure

It’s going to be a defense focused on stopping the run and using Mathieu and the linebackers to bring pressure.

Chris Jones. We’ll be more like the Rams. No edge rush but alot of interior pressure

Their starting edge rushers combined for 7 sacks, but they held Brady to 13...

You don't even make any sense.

Alex Okafor will play the SAME position in Spags' defense that Ford likely would have. Alex Okafor got paid less because he hasn't had Ford's 2018 season.

Of course, Dee Ford hasn't even had his 2018 season outside of 2018 either. Do you like throwing away money?

2025 "time to put the Hammer down."

Pass rush will be fine. A lot of good it did us last year anyway. The whole squad is getting a make over to make them more complete.

ROFL

Free agency started YESTERDAY. They're not freaking done yet. ROFL

Many of us don't care for your opinion on Dee Ford's release but we are still being subjected to your menstruation over the issue. I guess we are both out of luck.

I’d love to know what makes people have this level of blind faith in Veach. Cause the team Dorsey built had a great year where they finally look like SB contenders? His outstanding 2018 draft? What is it?

Don't engage the troll. He openly admitted he's a mult. It won't take long.

One would think the Chiefs are finalizing their final 53 before the season starts this Sunday.

Ah.

Yea, I was wondering if I missed the memo concerning the flip in Chief's lexicon.

And if so, what changed?

Mahomes became a starter?

Who has blind faith in Veach?

You are, of course, correct.

On the flip side of that are those who have graded him a failure after only one year in the role. Where does that level of blind bigotry come from?

"I fully admit I wasn't that hot on Okafor. But man what a surprise! I will gladly eat crow."

... (next non-all pro FA signing) ...

"Man wtf? Who is this brokedick? 62 grade on PFF? FIRE VEACH NOW!"

Guys panicking now are like people that paint a wall and don't like it after the 1st coat, but after a couple of coats later and it dries it looks good. Not saying this D will be fixed, I am just saying it is too early to judge. Be patient.

He was pretty bad ass when he played basketball for UCONN.

Bout time! Goddam it's been a long offseason.

He suffered a bad injury that knocked him off the radar. When healthy he is a top 30 DE.

Great signing for the new 4-3 D.

Hitchens, trading the best player on the defense, signing this guy to a 3 year up to 24 mil deal(which btw Mahomes and Hill will both be resigned and have their contracts begin to hit in that period) , the predicted signing of trash ass Ronald Darby to an expensive deal, the awful draft in 2018 outside of O’daniel

Spags, Watkins, Honey Badger were all good moves however this is being outweighed by the atrocious moves he’s making on the flip side.

Again we are winning and contenders because of what Dorsey did. Veach has shown us nothing that he can be trusted to build this team into a SB champion, and trading your best defensive player and only remaining even good edge pass rusher and signing Hitchens and Okafor to these reerun deals is absolutely not a great way to gain that trust.

I guess Nnadi doesn't exist...

Dee Ford our best defender...?

He didn’t even lead the team in sacks

I'm actually looking forward to some baseball right now.

If Dorsey would still be here we would still have Alex Smith at QB......nuff said!

15.5 Sacks and 2 FF is better than 13 sacks and 8 FF (7 of which we recovered)?

Then you factor in his pressures and the gap widens even more. For a forum that disliked Dee Ford because of his run defense, it’s hilarious to turn around and hype Chris Jones, someone who has the exact same issue except from the interior where it’s even more important.

Cause Dorsey didn’t draft Mahomes or anything. Genius analysis.

He's no Dee Ford.

I mean, he was 3rd round pick and started 11 games in his rookie season. That's not nearly as good as being a 1st round pick and starting zero.

We are contenders because Veach had an obsessive man crush on Mahomes.

And while I have no issue with Dorsey in general, his "great defenders" and his defensive coordinator hold their fair share of blame for post season disappointments. Why do the Dorsey cum guzzlers keep ignoring that?

Veach hired spags and he's trying to transition the defense as quickly as possible without hurting our ability to pay mahomes a few years from now. We're not going to completely change our D with a few super expensive superstars. Almost every single contract we can get out of by 2021-2022. We will get probably 6 players for the price of our expensive 3 (technically 2 since berry barely counts anymore) and they're all on contracts that are really easy to get out of.

We didn't bring in guys like okafur and Damien Wilson to be the answer on defense. If we're still paying these guys 3 years from now it's either because they're playing well or because we failed to draft a replacement. If veach does his job well the next few years, few of these guys will even be on our payroll.

Exactly.

So Dorsey wasn’t the GM that had the power and took Mahomes. Should I be attributing all of Veach’s moves to the co-director of player personnel?

And yes, Dorsey fkd up not firing Sutton for years. Veach also added to likely costing us a SB by not replacing Sutton sooner, just like Dorsey. However our roster was talented on defense last year, we just had a fkn idiot at DC and people like to ignore that. Dorsey built this offense and the offense is why we’re contending, Veach has done nothing to help this.

I hope that replacing Sutton with Spags is enough for us to win this year, however I’m not going to simply accept the fact that trading and cutting 3 of the top 4 players on the defense is the correct thing to do in a year we are trying to win a title now.

Doesn’t ask team coaches if he was offsides the previous play?

:deevee: “was I?”

y do people make mults just to post their actual opinions

because they’ve been banned/rompered

If we're making a night and day change on defense, would you rather a few superstars on a 31 ranked D learning a new D? Or would you embrace 8 or 9 new faces better suited for spags' defense. We're paying less money to bring more talent in. I'd rather fix the entire D. We'll still get pressure. Spags loves bringing pressure from the secondary. Daly knows a thing or two about exotic looks. Spags loves to stunt.

I'd also bet we're not even close to done yet building this D. There seems to be rumblings that we're planning for something big.

Yes, Dorsey was the GM that selected Mahomes - AFTER Veach constantly harassed him and Reid about the kid. This is documented fact. With out Veach Mahomes may well be making some other team a contender right now and our orgasms would be few and of the grunting variety instead of multiple and scream inducing.

Why does this keep being repeated? The sack leaders on defenses where Spags has been the DC have been DEs every year, and you could argue the success of his defenses have a direct link to how much pressure he’s able get from the edges. With the 2012 Saints being the defense he got the least pressure with.

The Badger and Okafor were drafted in back to back rounds by the Cardinals in 2013.
They are back together, Bring It!!

I thought that was cool!

This is how I look at it, good value signing.

The Attack Of The Mults ...

They look like posters!!!

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Jesus. You dating a Defensive End or what? Since you totally ignored my post Inn the Darby thread....


Tom Brady (King of quick release and Super Bowl champ) was sacked 22 times last year in 19 games. Let me break it down for you...

Game 1 - Sacked 2x by NT
Game 2 - Sacked 2x by CB and OLB
Game 3 - Sacked 2x by OLB
Game 4 - Sacked 0
Game 5 - Sacked 0
Game 6 - Sacked 2x ILB/OLB and NT
Game 7 - Sacked 1x ILB
Game 8 - Sacked 2x OLB
Game 9 - Sacked 2x ILB and DE
Game 10 - Sacked 3x ILB/ILB, ILB, CB
Game 11 - Sacked 0
Game 12 - Sacked 0
Game 13 - Sacked 2x CB, DE
Game 14 - Sacked 1x OLB
Game 15 - Sacked 1x S
Game 16 - Sacked 1x DE
Game 17 - Sacked 0
Game 18 - Sacked 0
Game 19 - Sacked 1x DE


4 sacks by a DE over 19 games (22 total sacks) ....seems to be a trend, wish I could put my finger on it....

This guy is a UCheifyBugger mult or a BlackBob mult

D-s gotta be better.
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Your argument that DTs matter more than edge pass rushers and edge rushers are becoming obsolete is an atrocious take that doesn’t deserve a response.

How many more times did our all star interior defensive lineman Chris Jones sack Brady in the playoffs? Do you think pressure off the edge that doesn’t result in sacks has no effect?

And again, Edge rushers lead in sacks and pressures on every defense Spags has coached, that is not an arguable fact.

And at one point Terry Bradshaw and joe Montana led the league in superbowl wins. Stop living in the past. The NFL IS EVOLVING. QBs that get rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds (tom Brady) are not going to be sacked by a DE on a regular basis. They get sacked by disgusting blitzes from the interior line where the path is much closer and disruptive to the QB. The days of a Derrick Thomas/Lawrence Taylor type dominance from the DE position are over.

And to answer your question we never sacked Brady in the playoffs but in game 6 we did twice by the NT and the ILB/OLB

Can you really not realize why the argument that edge rushers are becoming obsolete is ridiculous?

I’ll ask you again since I didn’t see your response. Why aren’t GMs keen to this evolution? why do teams value them so highly then? Why are teams likely going to take 3 edge rushers in the top 5 of the draft this year and not DTs?

LET'S JUST BUILD A ****ING DEFENSE. ****.