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ThaVirus 12-31-2018 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13998067)
Parker, Scandrick, Nelson and Bailey are UFAs anyway, right? I'm all for showing Ragland and Sorenson the door, though.
Probably. I know Bailey's in a contract year and Parker and Scandrick were last minute trash heap signings.

That's like $12m coming off the books there alone. Could free up another $6-ish mil by canning Sorenson and Ragland too.

Demonpenz 12-31-2018 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13990307)
Houston is a proven player. We know we're not going to get 15+ sacks out of the guy anymore, but he's A+ in run support and is actually surprisingly good when dropped into coverage. I'm just not sure we can afford to ship out one of, like, three solid contributors we have on this defense.

Would you prefer to bring in more Hitchens types? That dude's cap hit is like $9m and he's absolute garbage. I'd pay for three Houston's before I'd pay for two Hitchenses.
excuse me, but we refer to hitchens as "the hitman" here

philfree 12-31-2018 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13990307)
Houston is a proven player. We know we're not going to get 15+ sacks out of the guy anymore, but he's A+ in run support and is actually surprisingly good when dropped into coverage. I'm just not sure we can afford to ship out one of, like, three solid contributors we have on this defense.

Would you prefer to bring in more Hitchens types? That dude's cap hit is like $9m and he's absolute garbage. I'd pay for three Houston's before I'd pay for two Hitchenses.
9 sacks in 12 games. Off the top of my head that extrapolates to at least 12 sacks in 16 games. If Houston comes out of the season clean he can start next season as healthy as he's been since the spinning heel kick to the kneecap. He'll have a chance to get 15 sacks in 2019. He's made some huge plays since he's come back from his hammy issue this year. It would be great if he'd restructure but I would keep him either way.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-31-2018 03:51 PM
I think Houston would take a pay cut.

1) He gets to play on a contender with Mahomes.

2) He gets to play with Jones and Ford.

3) He get to stay a Chief.

4) He’s not getting $21M on the open market per year. So you may as well shave a little off the top.

Chargem 12-31-2018 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13999528)
I think Houston would take a pay cut.

1) He gets to play on a contender with Mahomes.

2) He gets to play with Jones and Ford.

3) He get to stay a Chief.

4) He’s not getting $21M on the open market per year. So you may as well shave a little off the top.
Does he get to play with Ford? And Jones is only currently under contract for 1 more year.

RunKC 12-31-2018 05:46 PM
If Houston balls out in the coming weeks, change part of his 2019 salary to a bonus. That would give him a nice gift up front and save us money on the cap.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-01-2019 08:14 PM
Houston and Ford both finish 2018 in the top 5 among edge rushers for PFFs pass rush productivity rate stat. (Percentage of pass rush attempts that end in a sack, QB hit, or hurry).

Let’s hope they bring it for January.

RunKC 01-12-2019 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13999847)
If Houston balls out in the coming weeks, change part of his 2019 salary to a bonus. That would give him a nice gift up front and save us money on the cap.
Dude balled the **** out. Keep this guy and try to make
It work with Jones and Ford.

O.city 01-12-2019 11:47 PM
Yeah he was a beast

Chargem 01-13-2019 09:22 AM
The success of Ford, Houston and Jones as a pass rushing trio makes me want to stay with a 3-4 defense and try to sign Ford this off season.

Couch-Potato 01-14-2019 10:24 AM
Houston has a cap hit of ~$21m, I read that if we cut him we can save ~$14m against the cap. My question is if we were to trade him would we save the full ~$21m? Also, what do you believe he'd be worth in a trade?

kccrow 01-14-2019 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 14037084)
Houston has a cap hit of ~$21m, I read that if we cut him we can save ~$14m against the cap. My question is if we were to trade him would we save the full ~$21m? Also, what do you believe he'd be worth in a trade?
Trade or cut is the same result. Both accelerate prorated bonuses to the current year.

The Franchise 01-14-2019 04:33 PM
Maybe offer him a restructure to lower his number and let him play with Mahomes for a while.

Chargem 01-15-2019 01:50 AM
I think someone suggested an extension which guarantees him a couple more years as a Chief but brings the per year average down in the next couple of years. If he would take that I'd be okay with it.

Bump 01-15-2019 02:21 AM
he's definitely not a $100 million man. He's not JJ Watt or Aaron Donald. He'll make some plays still, but that's not worth what he's getting paid. We drafted his position (basically) in the 2nd round in the last 2 drafts and unfortunately I'm not that confident in either one to replace him.


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