It's actually pretty impressive that he can hit as many greens as he does with not only where he hits it off the tee, but the distance he hits it compared to others on tour.

He's a great iron player. I like the swing changes he's made with Foley,

When Tiger was 191st on tour in Driving Accuracy in 2005, he was 1st in Par 4 and Par 5 birdie percentage, and 6th in GIR

He's 58th in driving accuracy this year. He's 36th in GIR, 2nd in Par 5 birdies and 32nd in Par 4 birdies.

If you bomb the driver, you get scoring clubs in your hands. You get scoring clubs in your hands, you make birdies.

This pretty much sums up Tiger here lately in the Majors....

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/ti...-championships

You're right. I double-checked the detailed Tour stats and found that 07 Tiger was 170 from the hole after his tee shots. 13 Tiger is 182 from it.

23rd in clubhead speed in 2013 at 118 MPH
1st in clubhead speed in 2007 at 123 MPH.

27th in '13 ball speed at 175 MPH
1st in '07 ball speed at 180 MPH

Bubba Watson was second both years. He gained almost 3 MPH of ball speed while Tiger lost 5.

So, '07 Tiger is 12 yards closer (a full club) while also being a club and a half longer.

That means if '07 Tiger is faced with that 170, he's hitting a full 9-iron/soft 8, while '13 Tiger is hitting a full seven/soft six.

That shit makes a difference.

Is that on par 4s and par 5s as well?

It's overall. He went from 40th to like 140th. It's important to remember though that the approach breakdown by distance is standard for everyone. So Tiger has gone from superhuman at all approach distances to merely very good. I think that's the main reason he's falling just short of his former self.

So what's he average on par 4s alone? 100 yards?

Screw all that I need a putting guru to help me putt better. At almost 52 years of age I feel my swing is alive as ever and if I would putt well I would shoot a lot of great scores. A guy taught me to hit down through my putts when I was a teen and I've decided that screwed me for decades.......:doh!:

Yeah. That's really stupid advice. You're just going to drive the ball into the ground and start it offline that way.

It was from a respected Golf Pro too and I ate up everything he ever tried to teach me about golf. Some of that info was priceless but not the putting advice so much. LOL

I vow to putt better.

IMO putting is the most personal preference, touch and feel part of the game. I have long been a fan of the Dave Pelz eyes over the putting line and straight back and straight through pendulum stroke (using a center shafted putter).

I pretty much have a SBST stroke and use a face balanced putter, but I hate Pelz's idea that you should hit every putt with a speed to where it would go 18" past the hole. I think amateurs tend to hit short putts too hard and the effect is to make the hole smaller.

Differing opinions.

I'm just going to start trying to roll the ball just the opposite that I have for years. Level to the ground and maybe slightly upward....through the stroke.

The 18" past the hole theory is the one thing of Pelz that I really don't completely apply. There are situations where drilling a put will take out the break and there are those where more touch is needed and your risk lipping out with a firm put.

So when you hit down on it putting... were you trying to pop it into the air? I'm confused on the hitting down part.

Anyway, I try to hit the ball as horizontal to the ground as possible. Don't want the putter to be in an upswing or downswing, just right at level. I'm pretty good at putting and I sink my fair share of shit outside of 15 ft. Unfortunately it is for par saving endeavors because I cannot get off the tee right now.