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srvy 05-01-2024 09:09 PM

Bob D. Campbell and Company was the structural engineer for the Truman Sports Complex. He probably has had a good laugh about all this cancer of concrete.

vonBobo 05-01-2024 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17506747)
Yeah that's pretty dramatic. It doesn't need to be either/or. It is in the best interest of Jackson County to keep the teams and public officials are elected to do what's in the best interest of the area they represent. And maybe that means letting the teams walk. But they are literally elected into leadership positions to problem solve and think creatively about things like this. That doesn't have to mean writing a blank check with tax money for Clark Hunt.

The owners are not the victims, if they wanted to stay in Jackson county then a deal would have been done already. But the teams hold all the cards. They will get a sweetheart deal from someone.

Strongside 05-01-2024 09:41 PM

I want one of the teams to jump the state line just to see what kind of excuses Quinton Lucas makes. That dude has ridden Sly James’ coattails for 5 years, allowing homicide rates to go out of control, homeless encampments to largely pepper downtown, the plaza to become a shell of its former self, and largely doing nothing at all.

The airport, the World Cup, the Street Car, new downtown construction…all shit that was stamped under Sly’s watch. Lucas is more interested in photo ops and rubbing shoulders in DC (where he really wants to be) than he is in the betterment of Kansas City.

Can’t stand that dude.

tk13 05-02-2024 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by vonBobo (Post 17506900)
The owners are not the victims, if they wanted to stay in Jackson county then a deal would have been done already. But the teams hold all the cards. They will get a sweetheart deal from someone.

I totally agree with that. I think the teams have all the leverage. Especially the Chiefs. They can do pretty much whatever they want.

My point was that even when you look at that statement from Frank White, he doesn't say anything or use any kind of language that a politician would say about working to keep the Royals and Chiefs. He kind of comes across like he's powerless watching the waves roll by, when he is the government official who actually has the ability to work with the teams to try and come up with a deal or plan that would be more acceptable for taxpayers. Or just say we're not doing this.

BWillie 05-02-2024 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 17506841)
Mahomes could lose a lot of arm strength and become a pocket passer who still moves around in the pocket like Brady did and reads defenses like Peyton and avoids taking hits like Brady and Peyton did at the end of their careers...

I don't see why he couldn't do that in his early forties if he is motivated and reasonably fortunate with serious injuries.

And still be a top 5 QB.

It's certainly possible but less than 1% of QBs can do it. Brady and Vinny Testaverde are like the only ones

ghak99 05-02-2024 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 17506715)
Good Lord. Does Frank White hate KC or someone affiliated with the improvement of sports in KC?

Maybe he owns land at the Legends.

He has been nothing but a roadblock in this whole mess.

He's a scorned lover on his way to earning a restraining order.

The Royals didn't want him. Tax payers despise him. The only card he has left to play is burning the house down.

HonestChieffan 05-02-2024 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 17506901)
I want one of the teams to jump the state line just to see what kind of excuses Quinton Lucas makes. That dude has ridden Sly James’ coattails for 5 years, allowing homicide rates to go out of control, homeless encampments to largely pepper downtown, the plaza to become a shell of its former self, and largely doing nothing at all.

The airport, the World Cup, the Street Car, new downtown construction…all shit that was stamped under Sly’s watch. Lucas is more interested in photo ops and rubbing shoulders in DC (where he really wants to be) than he is in the betterment of Kansas City.

Can’t stand that dude.

Seems totally tefloned by local media. They fawn over every statement he makes

Titty Meat 05-02-2024 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 17506901)
I want one of the teams to jump the state line just to see what kind of excuses Quinton Lucas makes. That dude has ridden Sly James’ coattails for 5 years, allowing homicide rates to go out of control, homeless encampments to largely pepper downtown, the plaza to become a shell of its former self, and largely doing nothing at all.

The airport, the World Cup, the Street Car, new downtown construction…all shit that was stamped under Sly’s watch. Lucas is more interested in photo ops and rubbing shoulders in DC (where he really wants to be) than he is in the betterment of Kansas City.

Can’t stand that dude.

He's awful

ChiefsCountry 05-02-2024 05:35 PM

The more you look at those stadium plans in Kansas, it's actually one hell of a design. Lots of Arrowhead tributes in it.

vonBobo 05-03-2024 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17506934)
I totally agree with that. I think the teams have all the leverage. Especially the Chiefs. They can do pretty much whatever they want.

My point was that even when you look at that statement from Frank White, he doesn't say anything or use any kind of language that a politician would say about working to keep the Royals and Chiefs. He kind of comes across like he's powerless watching the waves roll by, when he is the government official who actually has the ability to work with the teams to try and come up with a deal or plan that would be more acceptable for taxpayers. Or just say we're not doing this.

I believe that the royals and chiefs no longer find it favorable to be roommates at TSC and are the ones responsible for the lack of partnership with the city. White wanted a better more transparent plan and the teams didn't give it to him.

You can't negotiate with someone who doesn't want to negotiate. You say its Frank, I think it's the teams. Frank has everything to lose, the teams have everything to gain.

vonBobo 05-03-2024 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 17507581)
He's a scorned lover on his way to earning a restraining order.

The Royals didn't want him. Tax payers despise him. The only card he has left to play is burning the house down.

He tried to stop the vote from happening. If the legislatures hadn't vetoed White and forced the vote then we wouldn't be in this situation.

ghak99 05-03-2024 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by vonBobo (Post 17508462)
He tried to stop the vote from happening. If the legislatures hadn't vetoed White and forced the vote then we wouldn't be in this situation.

You can suck that worthless ****s nuts all you want. He's the equivalent to one of the pot holes they can't even keep a steel plate over.

BigRedChief 05-05-2024 08:36 PM

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New stadium location in KS is already on Google maps?

BWillie 05-05-2024 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17510613)
New stadium location in KS is already on Google maps?

Let's go! The stadium complex right next to the casino too. More money for me.

Oxford 05-05-2024 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 17508489)
You can suck that worthless ****s nuts all you want. He's the equivalent to one of the pot holes they can't even keep a steel plate over.

He's part of the problem
1) Who owns the stadium(s), not the teams
2) How much employment tax will KCMO lose
3) Property tax on abandoned stadiums, who is paying that
4) Missouri loses money on less employment and the players salaries they have to pay on gameday checks
5) Is it the teams that are deferring maintenance or Jackson County
6) To redevelop TSC, after the teams leave, who pays the demo cost?

Look at KCMO, no pro hockey, no pro basketball, no pro baseball, no pro football, no leadership

BWillie 05-05-2024 09:05 PM

Can they turn the Truman Sports Complex into a landfill?

Oxford 05-07-2024 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17510634)
Can they turn the Truman Sports Complex into a landfill?

Probably not, would take an environment impact study, then lawsuits from the property owners saying NiMBY, then the site would have to get permits from the FEDS and EPA, and then during the demo they would find some substance that cant be landfilled

Pauly D 06-04-2024 02:12 PM

KS state rep Sean Tarwater was on 810 there. MO sounds in deep deep shit if they wanna keep the Chiefs. STAR bonds bill being drafted up today or tomorrow which Chiefs are full onboard with. They'll 100% build them a dome too. Chiefs want a hotel, amphitheater etc. Tarwater mocked MO and Jackson County and said they will try to organize themselves with a rebuttal but aren't on the same page at all and Frank White will hurt them.

loochy 06-04-2024 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17510634)
Can they turn the Truman Sports Complex into a landfill?


Why? The entire surrounding area is already a landfill.

Pitt Gorilla 06-04-2024 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pauly D (Post 17540807)
KS state rep Sean Tarwater was on 810 there. MO sounds in deep deep shit if they wanna keep the Chiefs. STAR bonds bill being drafted up today or tomorrow which Chiefs are full onboard with. They'll 100% build them a dome too. Chiefs want a hotel, amphitheater etc. Tarwater mocked MO and Jackson County and said they will try to organize themselves with a rebuttal but aren't on the same page at all and Frank White will hurt them.

I can't imagine Jackson County residents being stupid enough to lose the Chiefs, but here we are.

wazu 06-04-2024 03:04 PM

We're gonna go from Arrowhead to a ****ing dome. That sucks, Clark.

GabyKeepsMeWarm 06-04-2024 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17540866)
We're gonna go from Arrowhead to a ****ing dome. That sucks, Clark.

Make it retractable with a natural surface, adding allllllll the bells and whistles/amenities and I think it would be ****ing great, not to mention the increased potential to be a landing spot for massive events like the SB, Final Four, etc...

Kiimo 06-04-2024 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17540866)
We're gonna go from Arrowhead to a ****ing dome. That sucks, Clark.


Because it would rule actually

tredadda 06-04-2024 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17540866)
We're gonna go from Arrowhead to a ****ing dome. That sucks, Clark.

They hold the record for the loudest outdoor stadium in the world. Now imagine how loud it would be in a dome?

wazu 06-04-2024 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GabyKeepsMeWarm (Post 17540932)
Make it retractable with a natural surface, adding allllllll the bells and whistles/amenities and I think it would be ****ing great, not to mention the increased potential to be a landing spot for massive events like the SB, Final Four, etc...

The plan isn't for retractable.

wazu 06-04-2024 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17540947)
They hold the record for the loudest outdoor stadium in the world. Now imagine how loud it would be in a dome?

I'm sure it will be louder. I don't even want that, it's already right where it needs to be to disrupt things.

Kiimo 06-04-2024 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17540954)
The plan isn't for retractable.

There are only concept renderings and those look like this



https://i.imgur.com/eHCKnVb.png

TEX 06-04-2024 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17540866)
We're gonna go from Arrowhead to a ****ing dome. That sucks, Clark.

Yep. Just like all the domed stadiums.

Kiimo 06-04-2024 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17540984)
Yep. Just like all the domed stadiums.

Have you been to Sofi

Rainbarrel 06-04-2024 05:16 PM

Kansas pop. 2.937
Missouri pop 6.173

I guess the cheap bastards will flee to Nebraska next

Titty Meat 06-04-2024 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxford (Post 17510626)
He's part of the problem
1) Who owns the stadium(s), not the teams
2) How much employment tax will KCMO lose
3) Property tax on abandoned stadiums, who is paying that
4) Missouri loses money on less employment and the players salaries they have to pay on gameday checks
5) Is it the teams that are deferring maintenance or Jackson County
6) To redevelop TSC, after the teams leave, who pays the demo cost?

Look at KCMO, no pro hockey, no pro basketball, no pro baseball, no pro football, no leadership

Lol KCMO won't go bankrupt over this

Kiimo 06-04-2024 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17541014)
Kansas pop. 2.937
Missouri pop 6.173

I guess the cheap bastards will flee to Nebraska next

WTF does this have to do with anything

wazu 06-04-2024 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17540966)
There are only concept renderings and those look like this



https://i.imgur.com/eHCKnVb.png

Yeah but every discussion is 100% full dome, and from everything we're hearing Clark Hunt loves the idea.

I know people love the retractable roof idea. That would seem like a great compromise, but I have a feeling that once you have one of those set-ups it just becomes almost-always dome unless weather is perfect, which might be 3 or 4 games per year in KC if we're lucky.

Kiimo 06-04-2024 05:30 PM

Feels like really really early to just assume anything on the actual stadium i dunno

cmh6476 06-04-2024 07:04 PM

I get not panicking to make a move. But these last two weeks have been extremely frustrating.

wazu 06-04-2024 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17541045)
Feels like really really early to just assume anything on the actual stadium i dunno

Don't have a ton of experience with this, but I hope you're right.

New World Order 06-04-2024 07:14 PM

I just want an updated Arrowhead stadium somewhere in KC IF they build a new stadium.

Arrowhead is unique from every stadium in the league. I don't want a generic dome.

KCUnited 06-04-2024 07:15 PM

WBF

duncan_idaho 06-04-2024 07:21 PM

All the Jackson County residents who voted against this seemed to believe that it would mean the Royals would stay at the K and that they would get a chance to vote Yes on a “better proposal.”

Naivety.

Or, they complained about the deal the teams were getting (any public money = bad) while ignoring how much the 1% earnings tax brings in on game checks alone.

The teams did a shitty job of making the latter point, as did the city, and White’s vendetta against the Royals was a factor too.

The City and State might be able to pull something out yet, but the teams will get rosier deals because there’s competition now.

Nirvana58 06-04-2024 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pauly D (Post 17540807)
KS state rep Sean Tarwater was on 810 there. MO sounds in deep deep shit if they wanna keep the Chiefs. STAR bonds bill being drafted up today or tomorrow which Chiefs are full onboard with. They'll 100% build them a dome too. Chiefs want a hotel, amphitheater etc. Tarwater mocked MO and Jackson County and said they will try to organize themselves with a rebuttal but aren't on the same page at all and Frank White will hurt them.

I got a text today about STAR bonds.

https://scoopandscoreks.com/

They are definitely trying to drum up support in Kansas to move forward with this.

No new taxes and we get the Chiefs. Hmmm

TEX 06-05-2024 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17541010)
Have you been to Sofi

Yes. But that is the exception.

Rainbarrel 06-05-2024 05:58 AM

Arrowhead is a tourist destination. The price of AH tickets will get you parking at a new stadium. But it will look pretty from the Interstate. Look to Buffalo, oh pie eyed ones

wazu 06-05-2024 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana58 (Post 17541282)
I got a text today about STAR bonds.

https://scoopandscoreks.com/

They are definitely trying to drum up support in Kansas to move forward with this.

No new taxes and we get the Chiefs. Hmmm

“Tell them to go **** themselves!”

- Jackson County residents

Katipan 06-05-2024 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17541026)
Yeah but every discussion is 100% full dome, and from everything we're hearing Clark Hunt loves the idea.

I know people love the retractable roof idea. That would seem like a great compromise, but I have a feeling that once you have one of those set-ups it just becomes almost-always dome unless weather is perfect, which might be 3 or 4 games per year in KC if we're lucky.

It's such a waste to have a beautiful stadium that you can't use in the winter.

Bearcat 06-05-2024 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 17541357)
It's such a waste to have a beautiful stadium that you can't use in the winter.

Colorado uses their beautiful mountains in the winter, people just need to learn how to dress themselves.

Katipan 06-05-2024 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17541372)
Colorado uses their beautiful mountains in the winter, people just need to learn how to dress themselves.

We don’t tho.
Not really.

DaFace 06-05-2024 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana58 (Post 17541282)
I got a text today about STAR bonds.

https://scoopandscoreks.com/

They are definitely trying to drum up support in Kansas to move forward with this.

No new taxes and we get the Chiefs. Hmmm

Technically there weren't any "new taxes" in the Jackson County version either.

POND_OF_RED 06-05-2024 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17541010)
Have you been to Sofi

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17541327)
Yes. But that is the exception.

I’m confused by this. Are you all thinking Sofi is something to try and replicate? The stadium itself is nice, but the parking lot design is what I worry we’re going to be taking from them as well. Tailgating lots are very limited and price gouged and it was designed with stupid bottleneck areas between the parking lots and the gates to get in or out because they wanted to make little bridges over decorative ditches. It’s definitely not the best football environment. Kansas City, Buffalo, and Green Bay always have had the best environments. Green Bay ruined theirs with the whole Title Town they built now and I’m sure Buffalo fans will hate their new stadium as well. Obviously hope the Chiefs don’t just rip out the entire tailgating culture, but from the rendering they provided it’s hard to have any optimism for that.

Katipan 06-05-2024 07:55 AM

Just in case one day I get to run SOFI, wtf is stopping you from tailgating?

<a href="https://ibb.co/c2cS72r"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/7rJd6r1/So-Fi-Stadium-Parking-Zones-Ingress-with-Rideshare-No-Red-Zone-scaled-23ca799c11.jpg" alt="So-Fi-Stadium-Parking-Zones-Ingress-with-Rideshare-No-Red-Zone-scaled-23ca799c11" border="0"></a>

wazu 06-05-2024 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17541381)
I’m confused by this. Are you all thinking Sofi is something to try and replicate? The stadium itself is nice, but the parking lot design is what I worry we’re going to be taking from them as well. Tailgating lots are very limited and price gouged and it was designed with stupid bottleneck areas between the parking lots and the gates to get in or out because they wanted to make little bridges over decorative ditches. It’s definitely not the best football environment. Kansas City, Buffalo, and Green Bay always have had the best environments. Green Bay ruined theirs with the whole Title Town they built now and I’m sure Buffalo fans will hate their new stadium as well. Obviously hope the Chiefs don’t just rip out the entire tailgating culture, but from the rendering they provided it’s hard to have any optimism for that.

I think tailgating is probably curbed if you have a dome. Lots of tailgating goes on in less than perfect weather. But it doesn't create a rush to get in the stadium because the weather is in there also. With a climate controlled dome the only real motivation to stay outside is cheaper food and drinks. That will keep some, but probably thins it out to a degree.

POND_OF_RED 06-05-2024 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 17541392)
Just in case one day I get to run SOFI, wtf is stopping you from tailgating?

<a href="https://ibb.co/c2cS72r"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/7rJd6r1/So-Fi-Stadium-Parking-Zones-Ingress-with-Rideshare-No-Red-Zone-scaled-23ca799c11.jpg" alt="So-Fi-Stadium-Parking-Zones-Ingress-with-Rideshare-No-Red-Zone-scaled-23ca799c11" border="0"></a>

The Pink lots are the only ones you are allowed to tailgate in

Katipan 06-05-2024 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17541395)
The Pink lots are the only ones you are allowed to tailgate in

Well that's stupid.

TribalElder 06-05-2024 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 17541392)
Just in case one day I get to run SOFI, wtf is stopping you from tailgating?

<a href="https://ibb.co/c2cS72r"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/7rJd6r1/So-Fi-Stadium-Parking-Zones-Ingress-with-Rideshare-No-Red-Zone-scaled-23ca799c11.jpg" alt="So-Fi-Stadium-Parking-Zones-Ingress-with-Rideshare-No-Red-Zone-scaled-23ca799c11" border="0"></a>

https://www.therams.com/game-day/tai...es-regulations

Tailgating Rules and Regulations

Tailgating will not be allowed outside of dedicated tailgating areas.
Tailgating activities will only be allowed within the time period designated by SoFi Stadium and Hollywood Park.
Tailgating in ADA marked parking stalls is prohibited.
Tailgating in electric vehicle marked parking stalls is prohibited.
Overnight parking or storage of equipment by guests in tailgating areas is prohibited. Any vehicles or equipment left overnight will be towed or removed at owner's expense.
All vehicles within tailgating areas must follow any instructions given by SoFi Stadium and Hollywood Park personnel.
Guests who fail to abide by SoFi Stadium and Hollywood Park personnel may be subject to immediate ejection from Hollywood Park without reimbursement.
There is no reserved parking within parking lot tailgating areas. Guests that wish to park next to a family member or friend must arrive at the parking gate and lot at the same time, and both vehicles must have the approved tailgating parking passes for the designated tailgating parking lot(s). Access to the parking lot tailgating areas is on a first come, first served basis. There are no "in and out" privileges granted for vehicles and the saving of parking spaces by guests for other guests is prohibited.
The use of tents within parking lot tailgating areas is allowed so long as the tents do not encroach into the marked fire lane. No stakes or through-surface inserts (e.g., tent poles) may be driven into the ground without prior permission.
Vehicles exceeding a size of 9 feet by 18 feet are not allowed within parking lot tailgating areas.
Sidewalks and pedestrian walkways shall remain clear and unobstructed at all times.
Natural gas and propane grills are allowed within parking lot tailgating areas. Charcoal grills, wood stoves, oil fryers, open-pit fires, and/or other cooking stations will not be allowed in any tailgating areas.
Glass containers are not permitted. All drinks shall be placed in plastic or other non-breakable cups or cans unless otherwise authorized by SoFi Stadium and Hollywood Park personnel.
Sale of food or beverage items by guests is prohibited. Unauthorized private catering companies are strictly prohibited.
In parking lot tailgating areas, guests may bring and prepare food for consumption by their family and friends only.
Small portable electric generators (600W or less) are permitted in parking lot tailgating areas. Electrical cords cannot be placed across parking areas/drive aisles or in areas that would create a hazard for any guests.
Unregistered motorized and non-motorized vehicles are prohibited in tailgating areas, including, without limitation, golf carts, Segway's, skateboards, scooters, and hoverboards. Bicycles are permitted in tailgating areas only at designated bike racks.
Drones, remote-controlled unmanned aerial vehicles or other similar motorized vehicles/devices are prohibited. Possession or operation of such devices may result in immediate ejection from the site and may also result in confiscation of such devices by security and law enforcement.
Portable public address systems are not permitted. Amplified sound systems cannot be used at excessive volumes and playing music with inappropriate language (profanity, slurs, etc.) is prohibited.
The use of megaphones, airhorns, and other noise making devices is prohibited.
Advertising or commercial activities by guests are not permitted. Guest vehicles with exterior advertisement (e.g. wraps) are not allowed in the parking lot tailgating areas even with a valid tailgating parking pass. No commercial advertisement hung or displayed on guest vehicles, tents, signs, or by any other means possible is permitted.
Selling of items or soliciting of any promotional or marketing activities by guests is prohibited.
Disorderly conduct is not permitted.
Picketing, political campaigning, signature gathering, or soliciting or distribution of any kind, including promotional marketing, is not permitted within the tailgating areas and any other parking lot.
Weapons or firearms are strictly prohibited. This extends to both real weapons and fake weapons, such as toy guns, swords, knives, hatchets, or bombs that might be part of a costume.
Vehicles are parked within the parking lot tailgating areas at the owners' risk. SoFi Stadium and Hollywood Park and/or its agents are not responsible for fire, theft, damage or loss of/to vehicles or any other article left in parking lot tailgating areas.
Tailgating areas must be kept in a neat and orderly condition, and all trash must be disposed of in proper receptacles. Guests must return their area back to its original state before entering the event. Trash bags must not be left beside a car or otherwise outside of a trash receptacle within the tailgating area.
Liquids other than water may not be poured out onto the ground.
Guests must abide by the Tailgating Drug and Alcohol Policy at all times.


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Fish 06-05-2024 08:43 AM

The problem with Kansas STAR bonds...

Kansas plan to get Chiefs, Royals relies on billions in bonds with ‘high degree of risk’

Spoiler!

Katipan 06-05-2024 08:47 AM

Kroenke owns like 6 teams and 4 venues. Married to a Walmart heiress. His concessions are costing him far far less than the average rich guy.

I take back my stupid comment.
Please still call for an interview.

Kiimo 06-05-2024 09:37 AM

Everyone should listen to this before commenting



https://omny.fm/shows/the-program/h1...for-the-chiefs


You listen to this and you'll think this thing is all but done already.

Important things: Star bonds work. Missouri was stupid for not trying this.
Dude straight up says Frank White bungled it.
The Chiefs are 100% demanding that the tailgating experience is part of it.

The only reason to not be excited about this is you don't want the stadium in Kansas. People should buy cheap property in KCK because I think this is happening.

Jerm 06-05-2024 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17541506)
Everyone should listen to this before commenting



https://omny.fm/shows/the-program/h1...for-the-chiefs


You listen to this and you'll think this thing is all but done already.

Important things: Star bonds work. Missouri was stupid for not trying this.
Dude straight up says Frank White bungled it.
The Chiefs are 100% demanding that the tailgating experience is part of it.

The only reason to not be excited about this is you don't want the stadium in Kansas. People should buy cheap property in KCK because I think this is happening.

You mean a state rep from KS makes it all seem like a done deal and everything is roses and gold for Kansas?

I AM SHOCKED.

duncan_idaho 06-05-2024 09:57 AM

Congratulations to the "No" voters. You're getting what you wanted.

Unless they thought voting "No" meant they would get a chance to vote on something else in the future.

Goodbye, hundreds of millions in earnings taxes over the next 3 decades.

ghak99 06-05-2024 09:57 AM

People actually think tailgating is staying?

It'll probably be the first thing that's eliminated in order to turn those free meal tickets into profits at the bar in some chain store bbw place the team controls. The new stadium and game day experience will completely overhaul the game day crowd as well. You coal burning heathens will be charged extra for the very back corner of some lot because you're a fire hazard and drink too much free beer.

Kiimo 06-05-2024 10:00 AM

None of what you are saying is based on anything but fear. It's pretty hard to convince people things are going to suck just because you're afraid they will.

Come back to me when you have anything, at all, concrete about this situation and why it will suck.

Discuss Thrower 06-05-2024 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 17541539)
People actually think tailgating is staying?

It'll probably be the first thing that's eliminated in order to turn those free meal tickets into profits at the bar in some chain store bbw place the team controls. The new stadium and game day experience will completely overhaul the game day crowd as well. You coal burning heathens will be charged extra for the very back corner of some lot because you're a fire hazard and drink too much free beer.

Because you'd be fool to not have the opportunity to draw eight figure lawsuits by allowing uncontrolled alcohol consumption in a parking lot preceeding an event.

LoneWolf 06-05-2024 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 17541539)
People actually think tailgating is staying?

It'll probably be the first thing that's eliminated in order to turn those free meal tickets into profits at the bar in some chain store bbw place the team controls. The new stadium and game day experience will completely overhaul the game day crowd as well. You coal burning heathens will be charged extra for the very back corner of some lot because you're a fire hazard and drink too much free beer.

Wait, free beer? Is there someplace I can get beer and liquor for free without paying anything including taxes?

Rainbarrel 06-05-2024 10:17 AM

Remember five head having to quiet the crowd before the snap. Yeah that's the crowd you have at high-end venues

Kiimo 06-05-2024 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17541575)
Remember five head having to quiet the crowd before the snap. Yeah that's the crowd you have at high-end venues


The imagination of Chiefs fans never ceases to amaze me. Why move the stadium? I mean aside from all the reasons. Did you already forget about that time in the 90s when it was loud? For shame. It will never be loud again! Not with the wine and cheese Overland Park fans that certainly never went to Chiefs games before! The Kingdom is built on George Brett Statue Fights. Anything else is gentrified fake fandom. Might as well put an On The Border in the stadium because this is fake Tex Mex from a chain.

ghak99 06-05-2024 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17541573)
Wait, free beer? Is there someplace I can get beer and liquor for free without paying anything including taxes?

Get better friends.

Rainbarrel 06-05-2024 10:35 AM

They know the building costs, share the ticket pricing as well with each plan

LoneWolf 06-05-2024 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 17541588)
Get better friends.

That's just drinking my friend's beer. I doubt any of my friends no a place where they can get beer for free without paying any money, including sales taxes.

Kiimo 06-05-2024 11:01 AM

https://scoopandscoreks.com/


I wish this had more info but once the bill goes through it's final revision I imagine it will be posted here.

ChiefsCountry 06-05-2024 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17541536)
Congratulations to the "No" voters. You're getting what you wanted.

Unless they thought voting "No" meant they would get a chance to vote on something else in the future.

Goodbye, hundreds of millions in earnings taxes over the next 3 decades.

Saved a titty bar and Uhaul facility

Kiimo 06-05-2024 11:08 AM

I do think it was pretty telling that everyone expects Missouri to make a counter-offer in light of Kansas' bill.

This Tarwater guy seemed pretty unconcerned that Missouri would put together something in time that competes.

Just weird for Missouri to say they don't want the Chiefs to build all these accompaning structures around the stadium and Kansas was like hell we have nothing but wide open space in every direction go nuts!

I think if Missouri was capable of getting their shit together they would have made a Star Bonds bill in the first place.

People should buy land in Wyandotte if you have extra cash for an investment imo

Mecca 06-05-2024 11:32 AM

I just don't know what people expected here, the Truman Sports Complex is a relic at this point, those are some of the oldest stadiums in their respective leagues.

It makes little sense to keep redoing them and not build new. It also makes little sense for either of those teams to want to stay in that shitty location.

TLO 06-05-2024 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17541573)
Wait, free beer? Is there someplace I can get beer and liquor for free without paying anything including taxes?

Just wait for a riot to break out
Profit.

GabyKeepsMeWarm 06-05-2024 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17541536)
Congratulations to the "No" voters. You're getting what you wanted.

Unless they thought voting "No" meant they would get a chance to vote on something else in the future.

Goodbye, hundreds of millions in earnings taxes over the next 3 decades.

Frankly I’m glad the voters did vote no, if it means we’re gonna eventually get two brand new stadiums in a better location with all the amenities.

Having visited KC and catching a couple games this past weekend, I definitely got a little romantic about the good ol days and remembering all the games I’ve seen at the K over the past 40+ years, but ultimately, it’s way past time to move on. They’re both lovely stadiums with a lot to like about them, but there’s PLENTY to upgrade. Just getting out of that part of town would be a step in the right direction. Lot of people holding on too tight. Change is inevitable.

duncan_idaho 06-05-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17541689)
I just don't know what people expected here, the Truman Sports Complex is a relic at this point, those are some of the oldest stadiums in their respective leagues.

It makes little sense to keep redoing them and not build new. It also makes little sense for either of those teams to want to stay in that shitty location.

It would make sense for the Chiefs to stay there if they get to take over the whole thing and do whatever they want to do with the footprint. Football needs open spaces/footprint, and that spot gives it to them.

It makes zero sense for the Royals to be there. It doesn't need open spaces. (in fact, it is better for baseball to be more connected/close to high-employment areas because of the connection between employers, season-ticket groupings, ease of access directly after work, etc.).

I'm still hopeful the Royals, at least, will stay in KCMO proper.

It will suck for KCMO to lose 1% on 2/18 of the NFL salary cap 8 times a year, though. That's a lot of money to make up, and those "thriving businesses" in the Crossroads sure as **** don't do it on their own.

Between the two teams and the way players (just players, not even including any staff) are taxed, you're talking about $5M in KC 1% earnings tax on a yearly basis.

Mecca 06-05-2024 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17541575)
Remember five head having to quiet the crowd before the snap. Yeah that's the crowd you have at high-end venues

They're already pricing most of that crowd out now...

Mecca 06-05-2024 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17541800)
It would make sense for the Chiefs to stay there if they get to take over the whole thing and do whatever they want to do with the footprint. Football needs open spaces/footprint, and that spot gives it to them.

It makes zero sense for the Royals to be there. It doesn't need open spaces. (in fact, it is better for baseball to be more connected/close to high-employment areas because of the connection between employers, season-ticket groupings, ease of access directly after work, etc.).

I'm still hopeful the Royals, at least, will stay in KCMO proper.

It will suck for KCMO to lose 1% on 2/18 of the NFL salary cap 8 times a year, though. That's a lot of money to make up, and those "thriving businesses" in the Crossroads sure as **** don't do it on their own.

Between the two teams and the way players (just players, not even including any staff) are taxed, you're talking about $5M in KC 1% earnings tax on a yearly basis.

I was talking more on a team and fan aspect not a tax aspect. If anything was going to happen at that location it would have, it's just a bad spot.

duncan_idaho 06-05-2024 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GabyKeepsMeWarm (Post 17541791)
Frankly I’m glad the voters did vote no, if it means we’re gonna eventually get two brand new stadiums in a better location with all the amenities.

Having visited KC and catching a couple games this past weekend, I definitely got a little romantic about the good ol days and remembering all the games I’ve seen at the K over the past 40+ years, but ultimately, it’s way past time to move on. They’re both lovely stadiums with a lot to like about them, but there’s PLENTY to upgrade. Just getting out of that part of town would be a step in the right direction. Lot of people holding on too tight. Change is inevitable.

Nostalgia is not a factor for me here (I was there Friday night).

The K is a relic and is going to go. I want the Royals downtown. My fellow Jackson Countians are too stupid to see the benefits far outweigh the negatives with that, though. So yay.

I want what's best for Kansas City proper. A strong city is good for the entire metropolitan area, unless you want to end up like St. Louis.

What's best for the city proper is keeping both teams in the KC metro and with KCMO addresses.

The Chiefs could do whatever they want/wanted to do at TSC if they had the whole things to do themselves just as easily as they could in Wyandotte county.

Kiimo 06-05-2024 01:06 PM

I’m curious why it is best for the entire metro area if they stay in KCMO. That just sounds like wishful thinking, not something based in financial reality.

Putting the Royals downtown seems like a no-brainer, but Missouri’s going to Missouri

duncan_idaho 06-05-2024 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17541818)
I’m curious why it is best for the entire metro area if they stay in KCMO. That just sounds like wishful thinking, not something based in financial reality.

Putting the Royals downtown seems like a no-brainer, but Missouri’s going to Missouri

It's best for KCMO if they're all in the KCMO footprint (which is huge). My focus is always on what's good for KCMO proper, because 1) Strong city = strong metro area that is set up to keep growing long-term; 2) Suburban hellscapes will do their suburban hellscape thing as long as the city is strong and driving businesses and population to the general area.

Titty Meat 06-05-2024 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17541882)
It's best for KCMO if they're all in the KCMO footprint (which is huge). My focus is always on what's good for KCMO proper, because 1) Strong city = strong metro area that is set up to keep growing long-term; 2) Suburban hellscapes will do their suburban hellscape thing as long as the city is strong and driving businesses and population to the general area.

You sound like one of those bike lane people


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