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The Franchise 01-15-2024 04:08 PM

Farrell at least looks to be the Nnadi replacement next season.

JPH83 01-16-2024 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17339351)
Farrell at least looks to be the Nnadi replacement next season.

I hope they give him an opportunity and we move on from Nnadi. Coburn is playing well in Tennessee it looks like, we need to play these guys.

Couch-Potato 01-16-2024 10:20 AM

I wonder if due to his age and NFL ready physique Legette might be ready to contribute earlier than other WRs in the upcoming draft. I'm a fan of the pick, he'd be a lot of fun in this offense. After that last game I've been wondering if Rice isn't our #1 WR and what we need next to him is a playmaker.

Noticing Byron Murphy is ranked up and down depending on the board.

Having a hard time understanding why Brenden Rice isn't getting more love? Seeing 3rd - 4th RD for him and feels like he'd go higher any other year.

Who you like at backup RB?

Dunerdr 01-16-2024 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17339163)
Oh. I mean, picking later. Lower in the first round. I think of 1 as high and 32 as low.

LFG!!!!

Chris Meck 01-16-2024 07:32 PM

Man, Leggette scares me.

I don't know. what context are you talking about? What's the reason he did nothing for four years and suddenly turned into Calvin Johnson?

Mitchell is a guy I like a lot, also Franklin.

duncan_idaho 01-16-2024 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17342716)
Man, Leggette scares me.

I don't know. what context are you talking about? What's the reason he did nothing for four years and suddenly turned into Calvin Johnson?

Mitchell is a guy I like a lot, also Franklin.

Combination of injury, COVID, inept coaching with terrible QB play.

But yes, he's risky. Franklin would be a safer stab in the same skillset/fit.

duncan_idaho 02-03-2024 03:42 PM

Updated with version 3.0.

Decided to take a big deviation and trade Sneed, then take a different focus than WR.

Nightfyre 02-03-2024 06:03 PM

Dealing Duncan.

kccrow 02-03-2024 07:53 PM

The reason I opted not to put Darius Robinson in my mocks after I said I might and DJ shot me down, is that I really think he's a pro DE and maybe ideally suited as a 3-4 DE at that. I think we'd be asking him to put on 25-30 pounds to really play DT for us. I just couldn't bring myself to see him as a great schematic fit unless you're 100% throwing in the towel on FAU. I'd be all-in if we didn't take FAU last year. I think we might see Orhororo climb boards later and Brugler already has him going at 43 so my dream in the 2nd is getting less and less likely too.

As for this: 1.32: Trade to Arziona for 2.35, 3.71, 5.160, 7.221...

I don't think you're getting that 3rd in that trade. In fact, I'll just say you absolutely aren't. Looking at a Rich Hill model, you're about spot on with 2.35, 5.160, and 7.221 to make that drop. The Jaguars went from 33 to 27 in 2022 for a 4th and a 6th. Best case is you probably get a 5th and 6th.

I think a 1st is pretty rich for trading Sneed. I've talked about how rare round 1 pick trades are for CBs. I had my trade valued at a 2nd and 3rd with the swap of 1sts and a 2nd going to KC. I felt I might be a little high myself with that.

I'd love to see a re-work with you being a little less overzealous on the trade valuations.

I can say this though, if we had that draft I'd be jumping for joy.

No complaints on FA other than these 2 things: I don't see any way this franchise is letting Tommy walk and I don't think we'd bring in Tart with his apparent issues either but you never know. I like Tart as a player but there's alot there to digest. Moving on from Tommy may seem like a good play from a cap perspective, but we're really talking about saving about 1.2m in year 1 in reality. It's chump change to maintain consistency holding for Butker and he is a pretty freakin good punter.

Dunerdr 02-03-2024 09:27 PM

3.0 leaves me wanting at wr and I’m a little u sure of Robinsons fit right now but I don’t hate it.

Dunerdr 02-03-2024 09:33 PM

3.0 leaves me wanting at wr and I’m a little u sure of Robinsons fit right now but I don’t hate it.

gordonelloyd 02-03-2024 11:25 PM

For WR would so much rather have Samuel at 4/45 than Brown at 4/70.

JPH83 02-04-2024 12:00 AM

Think i prefer earlier versions Duncan. With this version we seem worse at CB, DT and I'm not sure we sufficiently improve at WR. I'm not a Samuel fan and Burton feels like a player we don't really need. If we have pick 19 I'm using it to get Thomas or Franklin and feeling a lot more confident about WR.

DT looks pretty strong in FA. I think there's a good chance if we let Jones walk we can rebuild a more rounded room without needing a DL R1 pick, that'd be my preference. Maybe I'm too locked in on a single approach, I dunno.

duncan_idaho 02-04-2024 06:19 AM

Yeah, I’m not sure it’s my favorite, but I was purposely trying to take a different tack.

Re: the Sneed trade, it’s hard for me to see trading him for anything less than a first, plus. He isn’t Jalen Ramsey (insert snide Jamar Chase comment here), but he’s damn good.

And crow, yeah, that trade is OFF but is what was offered me by the computer on NFL MDD.

This one was about the exercise for me.

And on Robinson, I think he’d primarily be an undertackle for KC. At 6-5/285 I don’t know that they would be asking him to put on 20+ to stick there. More like 10 to me.

Schematically, Samuel is a good fit for the things they wanted to do with Toney. He’s fast, he breaks tackles, he’s a YAC threat, and he doesn’t drop the ball. That’s where I see it.

Couch-Potato 02-04-2024 09:39 AM

I like those first 5 picks! I'm not familiar with the others.

Ultimately, I'd choose Sneed > Reid but I appreciate a good mock!

I think Sneed's our #1 offseason target right now simply bc CJ's price.

duncan_idaho 02-04-2024 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17382037)
Think i prefer earlier versions Duncan. With this version we seem worse at CB, DT and I'm not sure we sufficiently improve at WR. I'm not a Samuel fan and Burton feels like a player we don't really need. If we have pick 19 I'm using it to get Thomas or Franklin and feeling a lot more confident about WR.

DT looks pretty strong in FA. I think there's a good chance if we let Jones walk we can rebuild a more rounded room without needing a DL R1 pick, that'd be my preference. Maybe I'm too locked in on a single approach, I dunno.

If I remember right, Thomas WAS available in this draft at 19. You could certainly go that route (or Franklin) and approach it differently, but I was purposely trying to avoid taking a WR in round 1.

One thing that makes me more informed about the draft - and I think better able to be balanced when reacting to the things the Chiefs actually do - is trying to take different approaches and see how they work out.

Roster building is intricate and fascinating. There are a lot of factors, so these "whole offseason" exercises are a lot of fun. I'll do a few more, I'm sure, as the draft approaches.

Re: Burton, I think that's a player with a well-rounded skillset who can be a much better pro than college player.

He doesn't drop the ball. He tracks deep balls well. He has good speed and solid size. He can run routes. He has been an inside and outisde receiver in college. It's not as sexy as Franklin or Brian Thomas (who I think is a one-trick pony right now, though he is very, very good at that one trick).

JPH83 02-06-2024 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17382168)
If I remember right, Thomas WAS available in this draft at 19. You could certainly go that route (or Franklin) and approach it differently, but I was purposely trying to avoid taking a WR in round 1.

One thing that makes me more informed about the draft - and I think better able to be balanced when reacting to the things the Chiefs actually do - is trying to take different approaches and see how they work out.

Roster building is intricate and fascinating. There are a lot of factors, so these "whole offseason" exercises are a lot of fun. I'll do a few more, I'm sure, as the draft approaches.

Re: Burton, I think that's a player with a well-rounded skillset who can be a much better pro than college player.

He doesn't drop the ball. He tracks deep balls well. He has good speed and solid size. He can run routes. He has been an inside and outisde receiver in college. It's not as sexy as Franklin or Brian Thomas (who I think is a one-trick pony right now, though he is very, very good at that one trick).

It's a good point on the whole offense approach. I'm too lazy and not confident enough in my cap workings. Would quite like to do a few versions otherwise.

You've got me thinking on Samuel, he might now be my WR FA preference.

DJ's left nut 02-06-2024 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17382168)
If I remember right, Thomas WAS available in this draft at 19. You could certainly go that route (or Franklin) and approach it differently, but I was purposely trying to avoid taking a WR in round 1.

One thing that makes me more informed about the draft - and I think better able to be balanced when reacting to the things the Chiefs actually do - is trying to take different approaches and see how they work out.

Roster building is intricate and fascinating. There are a lot of factors, so these "whole offseason" exercises are a lot of fun. I'll do a few more, I'm sure, as the draft approaches.

Re: Burton, I think that's a player with a well-rounded skillset who can be a much better pro than college player.

He doesn't drop the ball. He tracks deep balls well. He has good speed and solid size. He can run routes. He has been an inside and outisde receiver in college. It's not as sexy as Franklin or Brian Thomas (who I think is a one-trick pony right now, though he is very, very good at that one trick).

Every now and again I just try a complete pivot draft. But what I've also found is that this draft isn't gonna go as smoothly as I hoped it might. Whenever I do the PFF board and turn the randomness down a little and turn draft for need up a bit (because many teams do) and position value up a lot (because almost all teams do that) the draft suddenly gets real tough, real fast.

But this last attempt I decided to work some trade downs (I don't usually do that) and while I don't love the result, I didn't think it was awful either.

Devontez Walker in the mid-2nd. Brandon Dorlus and Leonard Taylor to try to rebuild the interior with some youth (I'd really love that) with two picks in the 3rd. Kris Abrams-Draine in the late 3rd because I thought the value was too good to pass up and CB depth is always good.

Cade Stover and Gabriel Murphy in the 4th; obviously I like Stover but I think Murphy is another interesting situational pass-rusher here, if maybe a little undersized for a full-time role. In the 4th, who cares?

Cody Schrader in the 5th as well as James Williams - athletic cover safety out of Miami and Steele Chambers as a STs and backup Will out of Ohio State. Trey Knox as a practice squad and developmental flyer with my last pick in the 6th.

There's not a knockout pick in that group, but I think that's going to be the nature of this draft. There's gonna be a lot of "damn, just missed our guy" I think. And we're going to be sitting there with a lot of similarly situated prospects with some frequency.

O.city 02-06-2024 12:40 PM

My thing is, if you just keep stacking good football players, eventually some of them will develop into elite difference makers. It's just the nature of the thing.

Couch-Potato 02-06-2024 12:55 PM

Super intrigued by Robinson, but wondering why he wasn't identified during the year as a potential 1st rounder?

raybec 4 02-06-2024 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17385277)
Every now and again I just try a complete pivot draft. But what I've also found is that this draft isn't gonna go as smoothly as I hoped it might. Whenever I do the PFF board and turn the randomness down a little and turn draft for need up a bit (because many teams do) and position value up a lot (because almost all teams do that) the draft suddenly gets real tough, real fast.

But this last attempt I decided to work some trade downs (I don't usually do that) and while I don't love the result, I didn't think it was awful either.

Devontez Walker in the mid-2nd. Brandon Dorlus and Leonard Taylor to try to rebuild the interior with some youth (I'd really love that) with two picks in the 3rd. Kris Abrams-Draine in the late 3rd because I thought the value was too good to pass up and CB depth is always good.

Cade Stover and Gabriel Murphy in the 4th; obviously I like Stover but I think Murphy is another interesting situational pass-rusher here, if maybe a little undersized for a full-time role. In the 4th, who cares?

Cody Schrader in the 5th as well as James Williams - athletic cover safety out of Miami and Steele Chambers as a STs and backup Will out of Ohio State. Trey Knox as a practice squad and developmental flyer with my last pick in the 6th.

There's not a knockout pick in that group, but I think that's going to be the nature of this draft. There's gonna be a lot of "damn, just missed our guy" I think. And we're going to be sitting there with a lot of similarly situated prospects with some frequency.

There's a lot of homer in that draft. Frankly, you have to draft Steele Chambers for his porn star name if not his on field play.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-07-2024 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17385304)
My thing is, if you just keep stacking good football players, eventually some of them will develop into elite difference makers. It's just the nature of the thing.

Sneed

DJ's left nut 02-07-2024 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17385353)
There's a lot of homer in that draft. Frankly, you have to draft Steele Chambers for his porn star name if not his on field play.

Oh c'mon - that's only two Mizzou guys.

And we definitely need a 'back - a guy who performed like Schrader did and looked good in the Senior bowl is worth a 3rd day pick. I still think he should've gotten some Heisman consideration - he was truly incredible this year.

KAD may have been a bit of a reach but I think that's really strong value there. He's a good player; was the equal of Rakestraw most of the year (better than him in the first half) and Ennis is being seen by some (not me) as a 1st rounder.

JPH83 02-08-2024 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17385277)
Every now and again I just try a complete pivot draft. But what I've also found is that this draft isn't gonna go as smoothly as I hoped it might. Whenever I do the PFF board and turn the randomness down a little and turn draft for need up a bit (because many teams do) and position value up a lot (because almost all teams do that) the draft suddenly gets real tough, real fast.

But this last attempt I decided to work some trade downs (I don't usually do that) and while I don't love the result, I didn't think it was awful either.

Devontez Walker in the mid-2nd. Brandon Dorlus and Leonard Taylor to try to rebuild the interior with some youth (I'd really love that) with two picks in the 3rd. Kris Abrams-Draine in the late 3rd because I thought the value was too good to pass up and CB depth is always good.

Cade Stover and Gabriel Murphy in the 4th; obviously I like Stover but I think Murphy is another interesting situational pass-rusher here, if maybe a little undersized for a full-time role. In the 4th, who cares?

Cody Schrader in the 5th as well as James Williams - athletic cover safety out of Miami and Steele Chambers as a STs and backup Will out of Ohio State. Trey Knox as a practice squad and developmental flyer with my last pick in the 6th.

There's not a knockout pick in that group, but I think that's going to be the nature of this draft. There's gonna be a lot of "damn, just missed our guy" I think. And we're going to be sitting there with a lot of similarly situated prospects with some frequency.

I've had a similar experience with the simulators, it's less promising than I originally thought on elite talent likely available to us, so I'm often moving down. But generally I'll start from a certain premise on what's happened in FA.

My general assumption is Veach won't have a rookie or Morris at LT and there's noone in FA beyond D. Smith, so he's likely coming back if he doesn't ask for silly money. Morris remains a guy to develop. I think one way or another we'll be solid ar DT at least. If Jones goes there's no way we're not bringing in a decent vet imo, probably 2. Could be wrong but that's my guess. Then I'm also assuming some sort of weapons have been added. Dunno if that's WR, TE or RB, but I'm normally guessing one of these is less of a need.

Makes it a lot easier to pick through things. I imagine everyone does a version of this I guess.

Chris Meck 02-08-2024 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17387888)
I've had a similar experience with the simulators, it's less promising than I originally thought on elite talent likely available to us, so I'm often moving down. But generally I'll start from a certain premise on what's happened in FA.

My general assumption is Veach won't have a rookie or Morris at LT and there's noone in FA beyond D. Smith, so he's likely coming back if he doesn't ask for silly money. Morris remains a guy to develop. I think one way or another we'll be solid ar DT at least. If Jones goes there's no way we're not bringing in a decent vet imo, probably 2. Could be wrong but that's my guess. Then I'm also assuming some sort of weapons have been added. Dunno if that's WR, TE or RB, but I'm normally guessing one of these is less of a need.

Makes it a lot easier to pick through things. I imagine everyone does a version of this I guess.

Just look for the traits, and watch some video. Ignore the highlights from when they played Eastern Uganda State, that doesn't tell you anything. Watch and see what they did against the good teams.

so often, what pundits think is 'elite talent' turns out not to be, and guys that went later end up being the stars (like Rashee Rice).

duncan_idaho 02-26-2024 04:44 PM

Bump for version 4.0

Now with more Jones, less Sneed, and a balanced approach that probably won't make anyone super happy.

O.city 02-26-2024 04:48 PM

What Instagram post?

Nightfyre 02-26-2024 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17418173)
Bump for version 4.0

Now with more Jones, less Sneed, and a balanced approach that probably won't make anyone super happy.

How does your draft change if Detroit is willing to give up 29 for Sneed?

Couch-Potato 02-26-2024 04:57 PM

Love those first two picks! Next 3 aint too shabby either, ooh and Guerendo too, sexy draft, nice work!

duncan_idaho 02-26-2024 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17418178)
How does your draft change if Detroit is willing to give up 29 for Sneed?

If I get 29 for Sneed instead of 50, I take Kingsley Suamataia at 29 (sniping the Bengals and the 49ers). I'd still take Sweat at 32, and be ok with a WR at 64, possibly with a small move-up if necessary to make sure I hit someone in that tier.

Chris Meck 02-26-2024 06:17 PM

I think it's great and just about as good an off-season as we could hope for. I was on the Nijman train last year.

duncan_idaho 02-26-2024 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17418288)
I think it's great and just about as good an off-season as we could hope for. I was on the Nijman train last year.

But the most important question:

How do you feel about my continued efforts to make "The Dolphin" stick as Matt Araiza's nickname?

Chris Meck 02-26-2024 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17418368)
But the most important question:

How do you feel about my continued efforts to make "The Dolphin" stick as Matt Araiza's nickname?

I don't get it.

Lolz

duncan_idaho 02-26-2024 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17418625)
I don't get it.

Lolz


He has a very powerful kick

He’s rapey.

Thus, Dolphin.

Chris Meck 02-27-2024 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17418650)
He has a very powerful kick

He’s rapey.

Thus, Dolphin.

It's a reach. Hahaha

Woogieman 03-01-2024 11:43 AM

Using Duncan's Eagles trade, I came up with (PFN):

1) Brian Thomas - WR
2) (#50) T'Vondre Sweat
3) Caelen Carson - CB
4) Maason Smith - DT
5) Junior Colson - LB
6) Javon Foster - OT
7) Jalyx Hunt - E

Carson is a longer, press guy, should fit Spag's scheme...if he and Smith are ballers, this draft class would add ridiculous talent for a team drafting #32. I think Colson could contribute immediately (keep Tranquill for a few more years), Foster and Hunt are projects, but would have time to work on their game.

duncan_idaho 03-11-2024 10:19 AM

Fired it up one more time...


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