Wright, Irving, or Lloyd.

These three are all cut from the same mold.

All three have something like 6.1-7.1 yards per run, 3.9-4.4 YAC, 132-177 elusiveness rating, 43-69 missed tackles, running and passing skills, speed.

Can we please have one, Andy! Please?

He ended up announcing he'd return to Michigan for his Sr year at the end of January, so no dice this season. With Corum gone he might end up the feature back and boost his stock.

I want a big back. We need a David Montgomery type. Or someone like Kareem hunt. What big backs do you like? At least 225 lbs.

As a rule, I like backs more about 210-215 but here are guys around 220-225 that I like quite well enough:

Audric Estime, Notre Dame
Kendall Milton, Georgia
Isaac Guerendo, Louisville
Carson Steele, UCLA

Isaac Guerendo is my guy R5 or beyond. Pretty raw, some clear limitations but a LOT to like too. If we run s****y zone stuff he can do that very well and he's big enough for me to think he can do the rest. Converted WR so got decent hands.Yeah, wouldn't mind him there

Shows how much I've paid attention since the playoffs started lol

Thoughts on Kimani Vidal?

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A bit shorter than Pachecho but seems to run a lot smoother.

I love estime. But he probably gets drafted in the 5th? He’s a violent runner but I really like Guerendo. And if he could be drafted in the 6th, that’s what I’d do. I like guerendo’s running style. He gets north and south quickly and he runs with good pad level, seems to like contact and pushes tacklers for extra yardage. Guerendo keeps his feet moving after contact. He’s got more burst than Milton or Steele and more wiggle than estime. Guerendo also has nice contact balance. He can break a tackle, regain balance and move up field quickly. Guerendo also caught a lot of passes. I didn’t see much of that from Milton. Guerendo’s size is a big advantage on swing passes. He will catch the swing pass and bully defensive backs and routinely gets 5 yards after contact on the outside. I like the fact that guerendo doesn’t dance on the swing passes but initiates the contact with the db and either breaks the tackle or pushes the db forward for 5 yards.

What about Braelon Allen rb Wisconsin? It looks Guerendo got stuck behind him there?

Allen is a freak.

Made Bruce Feldman's 2023 Freak's List - ranked #34. He wrote "Last year he made it on the strength of his power-cleaning 406 pounds and clocking a 1.49 in his 10-yard split. He benched 365. Allen has bulked up 10 more pounds to 245 now. “I’m bigger, but I am leaner now,” Allen says. “I went from 11 percent body fat to 8 percent this offseason. I’m definitely faster now.”"

Allen squatted 600 lbs also and clocked at 20 mph on the gps. And most sites have his 40 at 4.4. He’s got plenty of production at Wisconsin. And he’s super young at 20 years old.

Guerendo is a burner.

Guerendo won the state title with a jump of 24 feet, 5 ¼ inches, or 2 ½ inches off the meet record. He has the state’s top marks this year in the 100 meters (10.52), 200 meters (21.61) and long jump (24-1 ¾). Avon had the fastest 400 relay time of regionals (41.73).

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...ory/651367002/

Guerendo, who returned kickoffs in high school, has been timed at 4.34 seconds in the 40-yard dash and hit 23 mph last season during his 82-yard touchdown run against Eastern Michigan.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...te/7958417001/

Love this kid too!

Yeah I'm on the train. Wonder how much the combine screws chances of him being a late round pick up

I'm a little late to this thread.

I'm from the camp that you should NEVER give a running back a second contract. NEVER

Treat them like they're disposable.

So this is a position group where the Chiefs can get younger, cheaper, and more talented.

My plan would use one of our 5th round picks on a RB, and then I'd go and sign Antonio Gibson to a little deal and sit back and see how that improved this offense, because I have no doubt that it would.

Definitely hits the speed score earmarks, if Veach is favoring metrics like he did with Pacheco he could be a guy to watch

I'm a little late to this thread.

I'm from the camp that you should NEVER give a running back a second contract. NEVER

Treat them like they're disposable.

So this is a position group where the Chiefs can get younger, cheaper, and more talented.

My plan would use one of our 5th round picks on a RB, and then I'd go and sign Antonio Gibson to a little deal and sit back and see how that improved this offense, because I have no doubt that it would.

Jonathan Brooks - Reminds of Jamaal with that hair and the longhorn jersey. Curious how he looks post-injury.


Emani Bailey


Marshawn Lloyd


Jawhar Jordan


Kendall Milton


Braelon Allen - Love this kid!

I really like Lloyd too!

NFL Combine RBs:

Rasheen Ali, Marshall
Braelon Allen, Wisconsin
Emani Bailey, TCU
Trey Benson, Florida State
Jonathon Brooks, Texas
Blake Corum, Michigan
Isaiah Davis, South Dakota State
Ray Davis, Kentucky
Daijun Edwards, Georgia
Audric Estimé, Notre Dame
Frank Gore Jr., Southern Mississippi
Isaac Guerendo, Louisville
George Holani, Boise State
Bucky Irving, Oregon
Dillon Johnson, Washington
Jawhar Jordan, Louisville
Dylan Laube, New Hampshire
MarShawn Lloyd, USC
Jase McClellan, Alabama
Kendall Milton, Georgia
Keilan Robinson, Texas
Cody Schrader, Missouri
Will Shipley, Clemson
Jaden Shirden, Monmouth
Tyrone Tracy Jr., Purdue
Kimani Vidal, Troy
Michael Wiley, Arizona
Miyan Williams, Ohio State
Jaylen Wright, Tennessee

Saturday, March 2nd, 1pm ET – Quarterbacks, Wide Receivers, Running Backs!

Man, I’m surprised this guy isnt being talked about more. He’s huge AND fast AND has zero fumbles AND averages almost 6pc AND shows patience & shiftiness & runs through dudes.

There's kind of a reason I think we haven't talked about Allen and Estime much on this board and that's because they carry 2nd to early 3rd grades. I don't think any of us want to spend that kind of draft capital on a RB right now. I don't know that you spend it with a solid starter on the payroll for two more seasons. Now, Milton in the 5th? Yes, please.

Not getting national love but probably a guy that goes anywhere in that 4th to 6th area. He's probably a 4.6x guy and he's kinda short. Not a problem really for an RB just stating what I see. I wouldn't have an issue with him being a Chief.

I'd spend a 2nd on a RB, if he can be a legit pass catching 3 down guy.

This draft looks super deep to me. If we compare previous drafts, think about when we drafted CEH, how does he compare to Blake corum? Wouldn’t you pick corum over CEH? Corum has production and is a better athlete. I point this out because of the depth of this draft. I don’t necessarily want corum but I wouldn’t be upset with the pick at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if corum fell to the early third round. guerendo is a better value in the 4th or 5th and I love his upside with his size and speed in our offense.

Corum clocked 21.1 on the gps and is built thick like CEH. He’s faster. Take a look at this.

https://twitter.com/RAanalytics/stat...s-his-speed%2F

In the past two drafts, only 3 RBs have been taken in rounds 1 & 2. The 4th-8th RBs taken were drafted in rounds 3 & 4 in 2023. In 2022, RBs 4-11 were selected in rounds 3 & 4. I’ve seen estime around 5, so he’s likely a late 3rd round pick but a Braelon Allen has been ranked all over from 6th to 10th. So, Allen could possibly be drafted in the 4th? Please see below for the last two years of rbs draft position. The 8th rb taken has been in the 4th round in the last two years. How many rbs do you see taken in each round?




2023 1 1 8 8 Bijan Robinson Falcons Texas
2 1 12 12 Jahmyr Gibbs Lions Alabama
3 2 21 52 Zach Charbonnet Seahawks UCLA
4 3 8 71 Kendre Miller Saints Texas Christian
5 3 18 81 Tyjae Spears Titans Tulane
6 3 21 84 Devon Achane Dolphins Texas A&M
7 3 25 88 Tank Bigsby Jaguars Auburn
8 4 13 115 Roschon Johnson Bears Texas
9 5 8 143 Israel Abanikanda Jets Pittsburgh
10 5 28 163 Chase Brown Bengals Illinois
11 5 37 172 Eric Gray Giants Oklahoma
12 5 41 176 Evan Hull Colts Northwestern
13 6 16 193 Chris Rodriguez Commanders Kentucky
14 6 35 212 Deuce Vaughn Cowboys Kansas State
15 6 38 215 Zach Evans Rams Mississippi
16 7 5 222 DeWayne McBride Vikings Alab-Birm
17 7 18 235 Lew Nichols Packers Central Michigan
18 7 20 237 Kenny McIntosh Seahawks Georgia

2022 1 2 4 36 Breece Hall Jets Iowa State
2 2 9 41 Kenneth Walker Seahawks Michigan State
3 2 31 63 James Cook Bills Georgia
4 3 27 91 Rachaad White Buccaneers Arizona State
5 3 29 93 Tyrion Davis-Price 49ers Louisiana State
6 3 34 98 Brian Robinson Commanders Alabama
7 4 2 107 Dameon Pierce Texans Florida
8 4 17 122 Zamir White Raiders Georgia
9 4 18 123 Isaiah Spiller Chargers Texas A&M
10 4 22 127 Pierre Strong Patriots South Dakota State
11 4 26 131 Hassan Haskins Titans Michigan
12 5 8 151 Tyler Allgeier Falcons Brigham Young
13 5 11 154 Snoop Conner Jaguars Mississippi
14 5 13 156 Jerome Ford Browns Cincinnati
15 5 21 164 Kyren Williams Rams Notre Dame
16 5 26 169 Ty Chandler Vikings North Carolina
17 6 4 183 Kevin Harris Patriots South Carolina
18 6 17 196 Tyler Badie Ravens Missouri
19 6 22 201 Keaontay Ingram Cardinals USC
20 6 24 203 Trestan Ebner Bears Baylor
21 6 29 208 Connor Heyward Steelers Michigan State
22 7 29 250 Brittain Brown Raiders UCLA
23 7 30 251 Isaih Pacheco Chiefs Rutgers
24 7 39 260 Zander Horvath Chargers Purdue

The averages over the last 6 drafts:
R1 1.5, R2 2.5, R3 3.2, R4 3.8, R5 2.7, R6 3.7, R7 3.0

The likelihood of a R1 RB this year? Probably Zero. I think it'll look like a blend of 2022 and 2019... ish. And those just happen to be the two years in that span with higher than average (20) numbers of backs taken (22 and 23, respectively). I have 25 draftable RBs. Of course, a few might go undrafted.

Here's my take...

Round 2
Jonathan Brooks, Texas
Trey Benson, Florida State
Jaylen Wright, Tennessee

Round 3
Braelon Allen, Wisconsin
Blake Corum, Michigan
Audric Estime, Notre Dame
Will Shipley, Clemson

Round 4
Bucky Irving, Oregon
Marshawn Lloyd, USC
Frank Gore Jr, Southern Miss
Cody Schrader, Missouri

Round 5
Isaac Guerendo, Louisville
Kendall Milton, Georgia
Emani Bailey, TCU
Kimani Vidal, Troy

Round 6
Daijun Edwards, Georgia
Jase McClellin, Alabama
Dylan Laube, New Hampshire
Blake Watson, Memphis
Jawhar Jordan, Louisville

Round 7
Ray Davis, Kentucky
Isaiah Davis, South Dakota State
Miyan Williams, Ohio State
Carson Steele, UCLA
Dillon Johnson, Washington

Wildcards
Michael Wiley, Arizona
Jaden Shirden, Monmouth

You're high on Allen, eh? Seems to be a lot of mixed feelings out there, but he could be a great thunder to Pachecco's lighting IMO. I like Benson too! But, ultimately, I think we find value in RD 4 with Irving, Lloyd, or Gore Jr. Later rounds I like Guerendo or Watson!

Going to be a fun draft!

How about Corley and Reid just uses him as a hybrid slot WR/RB to replace McKinnon?

I just saw some sites that had Braelon Allen ranked as the 10th best back. So, I was thinking that he’d be a great pick in the 4th. He’s an intriguing athlete with that size, speed and production.

Interesting. I appreciate that. It’s good work. It’ll be interesting to come back and see how close this prediction is. If this is true, give me Isaac Guerendo in the 5th and Ray Davis in the 7th. I don’t see anyway Ray falls that far. He’s not a combine star but the guy just knows how to play the game. I’m vandy fan and watch mostly sec ball. And Ray is a baller. He just understands the game. He’s a great wr too. He knows where to sit in the open spot and has great hands. He’s a good blocker and savvy runner and runs with power also. He’s productive at both vandy and Kentucky.

Old Bucky is an Andy Reid Special. I don't even understand how Deuce didn't end up on the Chiefs

Love this kid. Fits us like a glove. And we met with him.

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Cecil Lammey was one of the few people banging the drum for the Broncos to draft Pacheco and was sick when we got him. Now he’s scared it’s gonna happen again LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arguably the best pass catching RB has met with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>. That would be bad for the rest of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> if they drafted him. Irving and Pacheco would be tough to handle. Bucky can play slot too. <a href="https://t.co/qGMuJvDfKd">pic.twitter.com/qGMuJvDfKd</a></p>&mdash; Cecil Lammey (@CecilLammey) <a href="https://twitter.com/CecilLammey/status/1763583524924256561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Irving is a really nice player. I dunno where he's gonna end up getting drafted round wise though.

Like, could we get him in the 4th?

Isaac Guerendo just ran a 4.33 at 220 lbs. holy shit

Guys so far that really hurt themselves for me are Emani Bailey (4.61!) and Cody Schrader in terms of being guys that needed to be fast but weren't.

I think Benson solidified top-3 RB status running a 4.39.

I like what Lloyd, Davis, and Vidal ran. My biggest knock on Davis was how slow I thought he looked on tape.

Wright is a 2nd rounder

Irving at 4.56 at his size isn't exactly a great thing. Estime with a 4.72. OUCH.

Kinda mad I just watched some Jaylen Wright highlights after seeing that 40.

We surely will draft a rb, but I’m sure he’ll be long gone by then.

Bucky is an impressive watch. But those numbers are very de’anthony Thomasish

I’d take wright in the 2nd

More like CEH and Dexter McCluster

Imma keep banging the Keilan Robinson drum.

He’s a good fit to replace the McKinnon role, he was a return man on kick offs, and a gunner on punts for Texas.

He was the guy I wanted as a R5 type. Ah well, looks pretty unlikely now.

Never liked Estime to be honest and I wasn't high on Irving. I wouldn't like either now.

Size. That's the problem. Jaden Shirden is twice the runner but he's probably going to have a tough time. Jawhar Jordan. Bucky Irving... All are 5'8" 190. Throw them in a bucket and shake it up...

Scouting Combine day 3 Stock up/Stock down
 

Really put his stamp on the combine didn't he lol

Probably the top combine performance.

How high can he climb?

B. Corum #1 RB Bench Press with 27 reps at 5'8 205 lbs.

Yeah dudes a beast going to be a good back

LOL, Corum is CEH undersized and slow

No. Look how many touchdowns he scored it's not even comparable to CEH. Also if CEH was drafted in the middle rounds he would have been a fine pick. Corum is a mid round one contract guy who's going to have great value in short yardage/goal line situations

Beyond what it's worth for a RB. Genuinely gutted. It's no fun getting on the bandwagon early when they blow up at the combine and go 2 rounds earlier than your "check out this sleeper" post suggested weeks ago

Corum also busted his ACL, hard pass

And came back this year ran for nearly 5 ypc and scored 27 touchdowns

Behind an awesome OL, the guy moves slow as molasses, Edwards his running mate plays better

Nice breakdown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLvm...UgDagA&index=6

Apparently Bucky had a really bad day at the combine.

Any chance you can update this crow, post combine? I’m curious. Estime might fall to the 6th? That 40 has to kill him? Success rates of RBs with bad 40s is pretty bad statistically? Guerendo is probably a 3rd rounder now?

Behind 5 beasts on the offensive line. CEH could have average 6 ypc with that line.

I don't want another midget running back anywhere near this team.

In fact, I hope we find a RB that is actually different than what we have. It would be nice to have a big back to give the offense more options. I know being bigger doesn't mean better, but I am so sick of watching us run up the middle on 3rd and 3, only to get stuffed at the LOS.

Does that past CEH pick make anyone else feel like we might go RB a lot earlier than most expect?

We're down x2 RBs currently, the RB room is in worse condition than our WR room now, and catches out of the backfield are pretty critical for Andy and Pat.

I feel RB will absolutely be addressed in this draft, but I can't make up my mind how early they'll do it.

I expect La'Mical Perine to be a weekly factor this season, as well.

Round 2
Jonathan Brooks, Texas
Trey Benson, Florida State
Jaylen Wright, Tennessee

Round 3
Braelon Allen, Wisconsin
Blake Corum, Michigan
Will Shipley, Clemson
Marshawn Lloyd, USC

Round 4
Isaac Guerendo, Louisville
Ray Davis, Kentucky
Audric Estime, Notre Dame
Bucky Irving, Oregon

Round 5
Dylan Laube, New Hampshire
Kimani Vidal, Troy
Rasheen Ali, Marshall
Kendall Milton, Georgia

Round 6
Cody Schrader, Missouri
Frank Gore Jr, Southern Miss
Jase McClellin, Alabama
Daijun Edwards, Georgia
Isaiah Davis, South Dakota State

Round 7
Emani Bailey, TCU
Blake Watson, Memphis
Jaden Shirden, Monmouth

Priority UDFAs
Dillon Johnson, Washington
Miyan Williams, Ohio State
Carson Steele, UCLA
Jawhar Jordan, Louisville
George Holani, Boise State
Tyrone Tracy Jr., Purdue
Keilan Robinson, Texas
Michael Wiley, Arizona

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Py6k0R5rI

Nice breakdown

They are WAY higher on Tyrone Tracy than I am. One thing with Tracy is he's a 24-year-old right now so that's a big factor when you start looking at a RB.

They seem to be in the same ballpark as I feel on the rest though.

I haven't watched much of the class, but Jaylen Wright seems like a fit based on how we use our backs, right? And Guerendo is a capable pass catcher who runs better in space and could be the option for the third down back. He is just indecisive from the backfield - but in space, could produce until he gets more familiar with exactly whats expected of him. Not sure about his pass blocking though.

had a feeling the other day that we might land Cody Schrader in the draft

that would be nice

Crazy how J Wright's climbed from 7th round projection to a potential top 3 RB in this draft depending on who's board it is. One of the guys at PFF said he had him at #1, but changed to Benson last min.

Considering we pick 32 in each round, I'm wondering if it could be the 2nd, to get one of the top guys, or for sure it's gotta be a prime option at the back of 3.

I'd be happy with a trade down from 2 or up from 3 to get Shipley in the mid 3rd ish. Don't think he lasts to 90 whatever, although if he does, I'd imagine he's a slam dunk compared to the 56th OL off the board or whatever else.

Jaylen Wright in the 2nd is a perfect pick for me.

I like him but I think that's too rich for me, unfortunately.

Maybe Lloyd would be available later.

Dylan Laube, New Hampshire... anyone?

As a senior in 2022 he played in 12 games and ran for an outstanding 1205 yards on 245 carries for average of 4.9 ypc, with 15 TDs, with 3 fumbles. In the passing game he had 49 receptions for an outstanding 474 yards.

As a fifth year senior in 2023 he played in 10 games and ran for 745 yards on 161 carries for average of 4.6 ypc, with 9 TDs, with 2 fumbles. In the passing game he had 68 receptions for 708 yards.

He'll be 25 years old in December :evil:

I think maybe it doesn't matter with RB's. It's not like you're going to pay them a second contract anyway, more than likely.

Yeah, but wondering if he wouldn't drop a bit bc of that... Might be a good replacement for McKinnon, seems like he catches more yards than he runs. Hybrid WR type, maybe.

Tyrone Tracy Jr. Your next J McKinnon?

Interesting you mention that, PFF's latest RB youtube vid mentions the strongest correlations for RB success over the years has been 1. How high they're picked in draft 2. hand size 3. age.

It's more about volume of touches though, right? I subscribe to the theory that there is only so much tread on the tires, and while some tires are more durable than others, you may as well invest in a lightly used set.

Latest PFF vid has him at like #4-6 in this RB class. They mention his hand size and that he's the best pass blocker in the class, which I didn't expect. They also talk about playing around with an updated RB grading model, if they apply their new model to this RB class J. Wright scores 98.8.

I'm not sure he goes as high as some are predicting, early 3rd I think.

I think it would be super exciting for us to take a RB fairly high in the draft, I believe we have the roster for it now. Someone in the 3rd-4th would be ideal IMO. Currently, I think only Brooks goes in the 2nd but he'd be on my list too.

Brooks, Benson, Wright, Corum, or Lloyd.

Big Pachecco fan, but he's not a top all-around RB type and needs a good compliment I think.

You don't need to spend a premium pick on a complimentary RB. You get those guys in the 5th to 7th every year with ease.

Thats true! But I'd like to get a premium back, like when we took our shot at CEH, to pair with Pachecco and then take over. A top quality back that can run and catch would be lights out in our offense.

Came here to point out that RB might be the pick we should be focused on. There's a ton of good WRs in this draft, but not too many RBs in a year we could use some help.

Also, anyone else remember being excited when we Kniles Davis picked in the bottom of the 3rd? Yikes, that one didn't work out too well.