Just saw it. Rey is the Avatar the last force bender.

He does seem to have a force connection with Rey, able to sense her in the distance. He talks throughout the film about believing in the force now after all that's happened so maybe he's the Leia of this trilogy where his force abilities are not explained until later installments. The actors have seemed less than thrilled with continuing their characters, especially Boyega, but maybe they can do a Star Wars Rebels/Clone Wars animated show diving deeper into the characters. I'm actually interested in Rey and where she goes from here. Even if they cut the majority of the characters and did a stand alone film of her rebuilding the Jedi Order or finding Jedi/Force Sensitive Padawans to train to rebuild the Jedi Order, that'd be cool. I thought Fallen Order's premise was solid about Cal Kestis rebuilding the Order, it just ended in the complete opposite direction. Maybe they'll do a KOTOR 3 eventually and do it right.

Man, remember how stoked we all were at that 6 second clip where Finn ignited a lightsaber against Kylo?

Good times.

TFA was fine. We were all excited before and after.

TLJ reduced some of that excitement, but a lot of us were still eager for the next one.

JJ killed it DEAD. I mean he just ****ed Star Wars corpse.

"Rey is a Palpatine! No explanation how! And Palpatine is BACK! No explanation how! Now look at these ****ing FLYING STORMTROOPERS using BIKES WITH WHEELS when they are chasing the good guys using SPEEDERS"

"We've already removed logic from the main plot points so we've removed it from THE ENTIRE MOVIE!"

"The bad guys would win but THEY COULDN'T LIFT OFF IN TIME even though THEY'VE HAD YEARS TO DO IT and LITERALLY ALREADY SENT OUT ONE SHIP!"

"And Rey is now LITERALLY JESUS CHRIST!"

"LOOK AT THIS ****ING CGI!"

one thing I DO enjoy are the explanations we get in the visual dictionaries

i'll post here as i find them

Knights of Ren

https://imgur.com/a/8ouGM9i

Mustafar

https://i.redd.it/i48venrjmq541.jpg

Sith SSD

https://i.redd.it/4grnfa3fqu541.jpg

Oh....this.

^^Hasn't it been said somewhere that JJ initially intended for her to be a Skywalker and Rian Johnson changed it.

Rian left it completely open-ended.

As it is, making her a Palpatine is just plain DUMB.

Not only is the setup not believable in the slightest, ANAKIN'S LIGHTSABER WAS CALLING TO A PALPATINE?

JJ Abrams is the biggest hack who's ever worked on popular movies.

I don't understand all the negativity. I'm not going to put it at the top of the list, there are some things I would change, but it wasn't a bad film overall.

When films abandon logic and don't even bother to explain why characters are in a film, or how characters can be something they shouldn't be, they are bad films.

A bad film can still be entertaining.

This was like The Force Unleashed, which was horrible even by video game standards, got made into a ****ing movie.

Lazy action schlock.

The way that Palpatine went out didn't even make sense.

This guy who's supposed to be a mastermind, and has been planning this for decades...goes out via the same tactic Mace Windu used on him circa 18 years before battle of yavin?

So not only did they put a character in the movie who should not have been in the movie, they didn't explain why he was in it - like THEY DIDN'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO DO THAT AT ALL - and then the things he did in the movie were just plain-assed stupid.

**** Jar Jar Abrams.

Dave Filoni spent more effort and imagination in resurrecting Darth Maul in a ****ing cartoon.

I remember reading a reddit thread that ruefully regretted that Luke didn’t go The Force Unleashed at the end of The Last Jedi.

Since I’ve legitimately wondered how many would have preferred that ending.

The only people who seem to be savaging it are the hyper-nerds, who have built such a degree of expectation into everything the franchise puts out that they can't ever be made happy. Even the originals don't compare to these standards.

The sequel trilogy wasn't as good as the original but it had some good moments, and it was a hell of a lot better than the prequels.

I think ROS just shat all over Palpatine's story arc.

They brought him back for hardly any action, didn't explain how he survived, and then reveal him to be Rey's grandfather?

GTFO

Also undermines Anakin's arc, too.

Just got back from seeing it. It was fun, it was entertaining, it was a garbage story that seemed to be set out to cover up the garbage story of The last Jedi.

100% NOT true.

I'm a hyper nerd and I loved TFA and TLJ.

My buddy who is a huge Stars Wars fan and a commercial artist that saw the movie the day before it was released told me to stay away. Sometimes he gets caught up in the nit-pickery though. But he said the story is completely ****ed up.

I'll probably catch it when it hits Amazon for 9.99.

So what Finn wanted to tell Rey the whole movie was that he's force sensitive.

Yeah this movie sucked. I know TLJ isn't popular on here, but at least Rian Johnson tried something and told a story that had some heart. This whole thing was just a response to the any fan boys flaming TLJ. Rey being a nobody was a great move that broke the cycle of heredity in the force that was way overdone. Abrams retconned it to appease fan boys. People bitched about lack of showy force powers so they amped the force up to 11.

The story made no sense, there were constant leaps on logic, and there was no real time given to any character or story element to develop. The most touching part of the movie was C3PO finally getting to be the hero and they even ****ed that up with a laugh line and then undoing it. Man I figured it would be bland and full of fan service, but I didn't think it would be easily the fourth worst Star Wars movie ever made. Solo was better than this.

Worst thing Disney has done.

On par with Attack of the Clones, and even that had a more sensible plot.

Maybe it was calling to her because she was similar, but stuck with the Jedi instead of going to the Dark side. Or because the force knew the Skywalkers would take her in.

or maybe JJ is just a ****

The plot was dumb af. The ending was an avengers knockoff. The last battle scene was the biggest joke of all time. It should’ve been an epic battle but just like snoke, done in 2 mins

Yippeeee

I'm still just so annoyed by this movie.

It has some fun little things that make me enjoy about half of it.

But the rest is just a giant hamfisted shit**** that totally invalidates any reason for the sequel trilogy to even exist.

**** Disney and **** Jar Jar Abrams.

THIS WILL BE THE FINAL WORD IN THE STORY OF KATHLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

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Hammock Parties, I am with you but let me play Devils advocate here for a second. Could Anakins saber called out to her because she is "the embodiment of all past jedi's" When she was down they all came to her to tell her to rise up.

I am just throwing this out because I am sure someone that is super in love with this story will find a way to justify it.

Please don't try to justify Jar Jar Abrams horrible story decisions.

The main problem with Rey being a Palpatine is that it isn't logically feasible. It's not believable. The ****ing Emperor, at the height of his powers as an old man who needed a cane to get around, was clapping cheeks, and his son was disobedient and Palpatine somehow let him get away, and this son had a daughter, and Palpatine let HER escape from his grasp, too?

No, just ****ing no. Wrong. Stupid.

Jar Jar Abrams, of course, didn't even try to explain how any of this happened because it would have been too difficult and any explanation would have come off as stupid anyway. Come up with a stupid idea, you get stupid results, and you basically just have to say "**** IT" and throw CGI at the audience and hope they don't care.

And of course he did the same thing with Palpatine's return. No explanation. Just "HE'S BACK OMG" and who cares that it invalidates the OT and...****!!!

Shit was so ****ing stupid.

There was no way to repair the whole thing after TLJ. It's a damn shame

So Rey is the daughter of a cloned Palpatine. Who is the skywalker mom?

Yep.

I'm not going to attempt to defend JJ here, but the Rise of Skywalker was a mess due specifically to KK and RJ going full on SJW with The Last Jedi, and nobody can refute that. Abrams did all he could with what he was given, which wasn't much at all.

Leia?

I didn’t like TFA and liked TLJ and thought, while TLJ tried doing expanding on the story of TFA and doing things that were different and that a lot of people didn’t like, at least made some logical flow.

ROS didn’t do any of that. It completely undermined Anakin’s and Palpatine’s story arc while killing off the best part of the trilogy(Kylo).

There was no context that was earned for Palptine coming back and the Kylo/Rey lightsaber fight was just her fighting based off rage. I felt completely unemotionally attached from the fight.

Say what you will about TLJ, but the Kylo/Luke fight was earned. Kylo/Rey fight in TFA, while Rey shouldn’t have won, was warranted.

Bringing back Palpatine was a mistake for what you are saying, but due to the disaster of TLJ they weren't given much of a choice in that regard.

TLJ was a beautiful looking film, and they did try to be bold and take the story in unexpected directions, but they gambled and failed on what they were putting out. Even without all the political and SJW angles, why in the hell would you kill off Snoke? The whole movie was a turd and didn't leave any foundation for RoS to build on.

Killing Snoke would’ve been fine if a different approach was taken with regards to Kylo.

Imagine Kylo struggling to deal with being in charge of the First Order and having a conflict with Leia. I don’t think TLJ ruined ROS as much as Carrie Fisher dying did(which I believe they handled Leia well given the circumstances in ROS).

Instead, they took the cop out with Palpatine-who had no business being in the movie as his return wasn’t even brought up in the prior 2 films-to try to do something to advance the plot.

The film was an epic disaster. While TLJ had its flaws, most notably the Holdo Manuever and the Finn/Rose jaunt to Canto Bight, Abrams RoS was just lazy.

IMO, anything would have been better than reincarnating The Emperor because it just destroys the entire narrative, from Anakin to Rey. And dedicating 80 minutes to retconning TLJ was just boring and dull.

But hey, Abrams got to make Rey a Skywalker, like he intended.

Whoopeee!

so it’s brother and sister kissing at the end?

I thought they said without a doubt, no room for wiggle room that Leia was not Rey’s Mom?

I remember that conversation when Leia hugged Rey after the mission and Solo’s death she ignored chuey. Everyone was like WTF? Chuey and Solo were best buds, Leia had know Chuey for 30+ years etc. why are you hugging the noob? If she’s not your daughter?

Ok, no to all of that. I think Rey took the Skywalker name on her own at the end, that's all. I didn't understand the question, lol

Pretty sure you mean "yipeeeeeeeeeee!"

I actually buy the "adopted" Skywalker ending, I quite like it...but making her a Palpatine doesn't jive.

They should have stuck with the "you're nobody" narrative instead of trying to awkwardly shoehorn her into an existing family...it just makes everything too convoluted and unbelievable...especially seeing as how randomly selected force sensitive people seem to be, anyway.

What? Weird posts.

Leia has nothing to do with Rey's lineage.

She's the daughter of Palpatine's son, who shockingly escaped the Empire's grasp and hid his offspring from the most powerful being in the galaxy!!!!! ROFL

I disagree 100% - Abrams just got lazy.

A creative screenwriter could have created a believable plot, with Kylo as the bad guy, eventually feeling conflicted because of Leia's death, and unable to control the monster of the First Order he had created.

You already have the setup there with Hux hating Kylo and wanting him out.

First Order turns on Kylo, he turns back to the lightside, teams with up with Rey and sacrifices himself for the good of the galaxy, since he's basically unredeemable anyway (audience would never buy it).

In the hands of a competent writer you can spin that into a satisfying ending.

Unfortunately it was in the hands of Jar Jar ****ing Abrams, who gave us PALPS BACK NO EXPLANATION AND LOL THEIR FLEET COULDN'T TAKE OFF IN TIME

its confusing as all hell. For two years or more people wanted to know who Reye’s parents were.

Kylo says they were nobodies

Pallantine says Rey is the daughter of his son. Definitely not a nobody even if he rejected Dad. Even if it was a clone or DNA splicing/experminting thing, Rey still has to have female DNA to exist as a human being.

We deserved to know at the end. Ohhhh well we will just let her call herself a Skywalker and be done with this question?

TLJ was a fine movie on the whole. It was Disney giving in to the vocal minority of critics of TLJ that led to TROS and its absurd plot.

The fact that they did that only gives those people more power too, so I'd imagine this won't be the last property that Disney will destroy.

Kylo explained it, actually - her parents worked at being nobodies so they wouldn't be recognized as Palpatine's family.

I'm going to have to see it again to get a better feel on how I feel about it. Right now it felt like a rushed fan service mess.

they may have been in hiding as nobodies. But Kylie would have known its Palestine’s son. Maybe the son married a nobody. But..... no way, no how can any reasonable person say Rey’s parents are nobodies when one is the son and heir to the emperor.

Yes, it's very stupid.

Try not to think about it too much.

There were so many different ways to go with Rey’s heritage, whether she was a Skywalker or even a Kenobi but a Palpatine? It makes zero sense.

We have plans to see it again this week and maybe I’ll be able to enjoy it more on a second viewing but I don’t think that the choices JJ made will ever be justified.

Ultimately, the Skywalker story ended with Return of the Jedi, not with RoS.

The idea of Kylo being turned on by the First Order actually quite appeals to me in a "Napoleon exiled to Elba" sort of way.

And yes, he's super powerful, but surround him with 50 stormtroopers and a bunch of Walkers and it would be entirely believable.

Far more believable than LOL HEY ITS PALPS FOR NO REASON

I was bummed they didn’t bring Mace Windu and Count Dooku back too.

I mean, why not, right?

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While I didn't like Palpatine being brought back either, I don't think Kylo as the bad guy would have worked. There's no sense of danger from Kylo as Rey had beaten him before she ever trained. Now after having time to train we're somehow supposed to feel a sense of danger when she goes to fight someone she's already beaten.

That basic plot would have worked well. (and honestly that's pretty close to the plot we got, Kylo turned back to fight the Final Order monster he created by joining with Palpatine) The problem is there has to be someone left to fight that provides some sense of danger against Rey & Ben, who have been shown to both be very powerful force users. Snoke would have worked well, but Rian Johnson took care of that. JJ could have set Kylo up better by not having him defeated by someone who'd never used a lightsaber, so he's not blameless either. But the plot specifically with Kylo turning requires there to be a threat for them to face together that doesn't feel like a forgone conclusion.

There were no characters that feel like they could reasonably fight Rey & Ben. Hux was painted as completely ineffectual, allowing Poe to stall him leading to a dreadnought being destroyed & the rebels to escape on their low speed chase in the first place. Now we're supposed to feel danger from him leading the First Order? So you're left with bringing back an existing character like Palpatine or create a new big bad and somehow establish them as a threat and be destroyed all in one movie.

I really wonder what Rian Johnson had planned as a 3rd film after TLJ. Where he left off with TLJ definitely left whoever directed episode IX in a difficult position. I mentioned the other day (in a different thread) I rewatched TLJ & it actually isn't as bad as I had built it up into my head. As a standalone film it wasn't bad. It just doesn't work as act 2 of a trilogy IMO

Red Letter Media thought that Palpatine was a clone in Return of the Jedi, that would explain why he is still alive.

Makes sense.

I haven't even watched the movie yet. LMAO

Just got back from seeing it. Probably liked it the best of the last three.

Had to pee.......and wouldnt you know it, picked the time where rey sees Luke. Totally missed the "Force ghost" explanation.

And.....and maybe I dont have the same attention to detail as I used to.......but did anyone ever explain how Vader's burnt helmet made it's way from Endor into the hands of Ben Solo?

It'll be EU stuff

https://www.slashfilm.com/kylo-ren-darth-vader-helmet/

The whole thing kind of felt like Batman v Superman, so I shouldn't have been surprised the same guy helped write this. It was the exact same thing... a plot with some decent ideas but the whole thing was completely rushed. Just flew threw the plot at 100 mph.

Then to top it off, he pulled the EXACT same plot trick from BvS. You have this epic battle where this guy who is full of rage, ready to kill, and then he stops suddenly and doesn't attack, because of his mother, then completely has a change of heart. You don't get any sense that he's conflicted before that moment, he's the one trying to convert Rey, then poof. I'm a good guy now! It's exactly the same. Then he pulled out the exact same trick with Harrison Ford that he did with Kevin Costner coming back from the dead to talk to his conflicted son.

Granted I liked TLJ, but it was definitely better than this movie. There are a dozen other things I could point out but there's probably no point. I thought the parallels to BvS were funny. The action sequences and lightsaber battles were great though. And C3PO was very entertaining.

spot on LMAO

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Holy shit LMAO

I will say this.

I loved this.

**** Jar Jar Abrams for ridding us of any Ben Solo movies, though. I'd watch the shit out of that.

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Just saw it.
Here’s about all I can add,

I love the mild explanation to the “rule of two” I’m assuming that’s what the whole only two whatever the hell they were called paths to the home of the sith planet.

Rey’s tits looked fantastic.

Overall I enjoyed it but walked out feeling like it was just an action film with little substance. Except Rey’s tits looked fantastic.

Anakin scenes were cut by Kathleen Kennedy

I hate that bitch.

visual dic

https://imgur.com/a/SmXX2Xf

As someone said earlier, this film was poorly written, the story sucked, but it was indeed entertaining. I left the theater going "Well, that's as much as I could have hoped for with these ****ers."

The whole problem with the Sequels started with the reboot of Episode 4. Honestly, the First Order should have been the small band of bad guys trying to worm their way back into power and the Republic (rebels) are the ones dealing with that plus some internal struggles. Instead, we get what we have already seen, with no explanation as to how the "first order" could get so damn big after the Empire dies along with the Emperor. I hated that.

Luke should have been shown as a Jedi Master training Ben, and then we see how and why Ben turns ( and not in a throw away 30 second scene). Han and Leah could have made a quick cameo before dying in some cool dignified way. The we're left with Luke, which is how our story really began in 1977. But no...

And on and on. The problem with Star Wars is that the ones with the money to make it (Disney) don't want to do anything fresh and risk the golden goose that was really over in 1984. I know you geeks and young millenial whipper snappers love all the other shit in the Star Wars universe, but I hate the fact that there was once a really neat little story that was told over 3 movies that gave us amazing characters and a really cool ending, and now they are exploiting the shit out of it to make a buck.

Oh, and TLJ was a total failure, there was a chance to save this POS franchise but RJ ****ed it up because he was so dead set on subverting everyone's expectations. I have no problem with that concept, but it was executed horribly. AFAIAC, TLJ was by far one of the worst of all the Star Wars films. Only Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones were worse...and maybe Sith too. God, I hated the prequels.

This one...eh. Entertaining. Lazy as hell, but good actors and performances, mixed in with a cluster**** of a story. Tried to cram so much shit in it that I can't remember half of what the **** happened. I think they did that on purpose, because once you start questioning the logic of shit, the film is revealed for the farce that it is. So, keep cramming stuff in and move along as fast as possible so nobody notices. I honestly don't care if I see it again. Maybe I will, maybe I won't...I honestly don't care.

I will now move on with my life, done with the pile of shit that Star Wars has become. Don't care about Clone Wars, or Rebels, or Mandalorian (which I hear very good things about, but I'm just jaded as hell right now), or any of that shit. It's over. It's kind of freeing actually.

I saw RoS again last night, this time at the B&B X screen in Olathe, which was as good or better a viewing experience I’ve ever had, including IMAX.

Since I’d already seen it, I could sit back, relax and just enjoy it and surprisingly, I did just that: Enjoyed it. I enjoyed it knowing that it had a lot of plot holes and things that just didn’t add up, so I just looked at it as a self-contained film and not the last of of 11 films overall.

In that regard, it was tight and taut, well acted, well produced and fun. The action never ceased and the choreography was pretty amazing. Everyone in our group of 14 people loved it, especially those that didn’t “live and die” Star Wars.

After the movie, I came to the realization that it’s over: Not just the Skywalker Saga, but the Event, the magic that captured the world. It’s gone and it’s extremely unlikely that Star Wars will ever rule the box office ever again.

In some ways, that’s liberating and I hope that Lucasfilm begins to concentrate on Standalone Stories like The Mandalorian and the other upcoming series as self-contained within the rules set forth by the films. If thats their goal, it’s attainable.

If their goal is to create another mind blowing multigenerational epic without having the source material in place, they’re going to fail and fail hugely, like massive box office losses.

Time will tell if they’ve learned the lesson or not...

I really think ROS fails in the exact opposite way of the PM and AOTC. The prequel movies had great stories that failed in dialog/performance. ROS had a crap story with good dialog/acting.

I saw it again.

I’ve accepted it for what it is. There were a few moments in this movie that made me want to stand up and cheer - but the whole movie felt like we were being lightspeed skipped from one point to another while the characters kindly explained the next part of the plot to us as it happened.

“Rey is on a skiff! So is another character!”

“Let me explain that if you kill me, you will become me! Oh, you’re not killing me - I’ll just take your life force then!”

It is what it is. My brother loves BB-8 and my students for the most part love Star Wars too. TLJ is my favorite of the new films, and as stated above, the trilogy had a lot working against it the moment JJ was allowed to remake A New Hope.

Ah well - TV is the future, and Star Wars has so much potential there. The movie did make me want to rewatch 7, 8 & 9 again - so there’s that, anyway. In the end, I think I’ll try to remember 7, 8 & 9 for the high moments and that they continued the rebel fight to the next generation.

I agree that the movie was well executed but poorly written. And that Abrams was forced to make choices he didn't want in order to fix the choices of TLJ. And that Palpatine was poorly explained and too convenient. But people are complaining about retconning, coincidence, suspension of disbelief, and giant plot holes as if this is something new to sci-fi in general and the SW universe in specific. May I remind you that this whole thing started with an opening scene of a bad guy chasing a ship containing a rebel princess who turns out to be his unknown daughter, along with a robot he built as a child that he seemingly doesn't remember, over a planet where the robots escape into the hands of a young man who turns out to be another unknown child, who happens to hang out with an old guy who happens to be the dude who cut off the bad guy's limbs a few years back?

Bringing back Palpatine and making Rey a Palpatine is just a bridge too far, though. Especially when they don't even bother to explain either plot point.

Things have to be believable within the scope of the story.

Really enjoyed it.

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I enjoyed it. Felt more Star Wars-y than that shit show of a middle movie in the trilogy. There were a few moments that gave me a sincere emotional reaction. I'd recommend it to anyone who is a fan of the franchise.

I think it would have been better if they kept the same guy running all three movies. I did enjoy Rey's bit of dialogue at the end.

It really should’ve been JJ for all three. Then I could see giving the Reigns to rian

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Yeah that was one of the things I had issues with as a Star Wars fan that the average movie goer doesn't really think about. How many times have people narrowly escaped where just force grabbing their ship would have stopped them. Count Dooku escaping Yoda in Attack of the Clones comes to mind specifically.

Another big one was the fact that Kylo force resurrects Rey several minutes after she supposedly dies. I'm not sure how yo can go forward with a story involving Rey. As I would assume she would have the same ability since the closest we get to an explanation of how Kylo learns to do that is when Rey force heals him. (no idea where she learned it either) So how is there any danger when Rey's around? She can just heal people, and even if she doesn't get there in time to heal them she can just resurrect them.

https://i.imgur.com/jBsknRM.jpg

a lot of hand waving and deus ex machina, basically