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DaneMcCloud 01-21-2021 11:12 PM

I don’t think there’s any reason to put Black Widow on Disney+.

Disney isn’t willing to lose money on it what will likely be a $750 million dollar box office, especially considering the upcoming slate of Marvel properties that will run through August, with more Star Wars coming soon as well with The Bad Batch.

Deberg_1990 01-22-2021 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15498073)
I don’t think there’s any reason to put Black Widow on Disney+.

Disney isn’t willing to lose money on it what will likely be a $750 million dollar box office, especially considering the upcoming slate of Marvel properties that will run through August, with more Star Wars coming soon as well with The Bad Batch.

I was thinking they might bump it if it messes with their timeline? Like if there’s something in Captain America and Winter Soldier or Loki that might reveal something with Black Widow?

But maybe not since Black Widow is a prequel?

Deberg_1990 10-07-2021 09:23 PM

Just watched it. So so great! Loved every second of it. The action was top notch, and all the women too! Loved all the little callbacks to previous movies in the series.

Had a great little running gag about ‘007’. Great send off for Craig.

sully1983 10-07-2021 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15878753)
Just watched it. So so great! Loved every second of it. The action was top notch, and all the women too! Loved all the little callbacks to previous movies in the series.

Had a great little running gag about ‘007’. Great send off for Craig.

Good to hear! I noticed its almost 3 hours long. Does it drag a bit ?

Also how was Rami Malek as the villain in this?

Deberg_1990 10-08-2021 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sully1983 (Post 15878807)
Good to hear! I noticed its almost 3 hours long. Does it drag a bit ?

Also how was Rami Malek as the villain in this?

I think it was about 2 hrs and 45 minutes? I didn’t think it dragged at all.

An interesting choice I’ve never seen before is the pre title sequence was the longest I’ve ever seen in a movie. The classic Bond song and titles didn’t start until about 25-30 minutes in the movie.

Malek was good. He doesn’t even show up until about an hour and 15 in. He reminded me a little of some of the old classic Villians from the Roger Moore era. Over the top with a huge island lair/hideout. Which is silly, ( where does he get the money to build all this? Why do all these hundreds of guys work for him?) but I liked it was a throwback.

I will say there are some reveals and plot development at the end that might bother some Fans. I thought it fit with this particular version of Bond.

Deberg_1990 10-08-2021 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 15147455)
Probably buried in this thread somewhere, but I think she replaces him before the movie. He's out, she's the new 007.

Which does not necessarily mean she's 007 after...

I thought this was done really well in the movie. Yes, technically she’s the new 007 in the movie. But it wasn’t presented in a ‘girl power’ sort of way. She’s just kick ass and shown as Bonds equal in a matter of fact way. I liked their relationship. Well done.

Mennonite 10-08-2021 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15878941)
I thought this was done really well in the movie. Yes, technically she’s the new 007 in the movie. But it wasn’t presented in a ‘girl power’ sort of way. She’s just kick ass and shown as Bonds equal in a matter of fact way. I liked their relationship. Well done.


Yeah, **** this shit.

Deberg_1990 10-08-2021 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 15879177)
Yeah, **** this shit.

I don’t think she’s going to be 007 beyond this movie. They very likely reboot like they always do.

BigBeauford 10-08-2021 06:49 PM

Thought it was good, I'd put it at 3rd best by a hair below Skyfall for Craig Bond movies. I felt that Rami wasn't given enough to do in this movie. A slight waste considering how talented he is. But overall a good watch and would recommend to most people. The "bond replacement" isn't nearly the factor I thought it would be, and I surprisingly found the two worked decently together.

CoMoChief 10-10-2021 05:54 PM

Movie was alright.

I liked all of the Craig/Bond films.

But this was probably the worst of them all IMO.

Mennonite 10-12-2021 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 15882907)
Movie was alright.

I liked all of the Craig/Bond films.

But this was probably the worst of them all IMO.


Casino Royale is probably my favorite Bond flick, but I thought all of the sequels have been pretty forgettable. I've been trying to talk myself into seeing the new one for the last few days, but I haven't managed to do it yet.

I've seen all of the Bond movies, but I don't consider myself a fan. I just really really really hate the lame comedy that gets shoehorned into the stories. Likeable and charismatic lead actors, gorgeous girls, and fantastic stunts...but I just can't get past the constant bad jokes. I suppose that's why I like Casino Royale the best, because they dialed back the attempts at humor.

Mennonite 10-12-2021 05:26 PM

Just watched it. It was...ok. I guess. The pre opening credits scenes are the best.

Craig just isn't a very good Bond. He just isn't suave, and I don't think his acting was very good here. The emotional stuff stuff didn't work for me either.

SPOILERS


- So Q is gay?

- I'm not sure what the bad guy's plan was? Who was he targeting? Everyone?

- Some good action scenes early on, but the last section felt like a video game.

- The ending was not good. Bond pretty much committed suicide because he couldn't hook up with his ex. I'm not buying that. Maybe there are other interpretations, but he seemed to give up after he gets poisoned. And why would the bad guy let on that he had just infected him? Seems like that would be a nice surprise for the guy who just killed him.

- The dialogue was weak throughout the entire movie. The ending scene should have had some A+ material, but it was surprisingly weak. They should have ended things with the explosion.

BigBeauford 10-12-2021 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 15891047)
Just watched it. It was...ok. I guess. The pre opening credits scenes are the best.

Craig just isn't a very good Bond. He just isn't suave, and I don't think his acting was very good here. The emotional stuff stuff didn't work for me either.

SPOILERS


- So Q is gay?

- I'm not sure what the bad guy's plan was? Who was he targeting? Everyone?

- Some good action scenes early on, but the last section felt like a video game.

- The ending was not good. Bond pretty much committed suicide because he couldn't hook up with his ex. I'm not buying that. Maybe there are other interpretations, but he seemed to give up after he gets poisoned. And why would the bad guy let on that he had just infected him? Seems like that would be a nice surprise for the guy who just killed him.

- The dialogue was weak throughout the entire movie. The ending scene should have had some A+ material, but it was surprisingly weak. They should have ended things with the explosion.

Spoiler!

Mennonite 10-12-2021 06:31 PM

Spoiler!



Any way you look at it it's pretty odd for James Bond. Maybe if I rewatched the previous movies it might work better for me.



A few more minor thoughts:

Bond is explosion proof in this movie! It doesn't really bother me, but he shook off three big blasts pretty quickly. Kinda funny.

I wish Cyclops had been given more of a personality or some cooler stuff to do.

I've never been that impressed with the modern Blofeld. Telly Savalas is probably my favorite Blofeld.

Stryker 10-12-2021 09:52 PM

Watch Spectre before you watch No Time to Die

Mennonite 10-13-2021 09:06 AM

I assumed that the character Paloma (played by the chick from BladeRunner) was from a previous Bond movie.

https://i.imgur.com/9pm00BZ.jpg


She's new though. I'm surprised that they would create a new character instead of giving her scenes to Nomi.



p.s. Daniel Craig is slowly morphing into Ellen DeGeneres:



https://i.imgur.com/PuXvfUg.jpg

Kman34 10-13-2021 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 15891841)
I assumed that the character Paloma (played by the chick from BladeRunner) was from a previous Bond movie.

https://i.imgur.com/9pm00BZ.jpg


She's new though. I'm surprised that they would create a new character instead of giving her scenes to Nomi.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EarFFRRX0AUskBe.jpg

Ana De Armas… she is beautiful…

Mennonite 10-13-2021 09:25 AM

Yeah, she ain't bad.

https://i.imgur.com/yFCjPsO.gif

GayFrogs 10-13-2021 01:53 PM

I think there are more great bond songs than great bond movies. Especially since the 80s.

Mennonite 10-13-2021 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GayFrogs (Post 15892363)
I think there are more great bond songs than great bond movies.

Here are a couple of unused theme songs:

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^ I prefer this one to the one by Lulu

GayFrogs 10-13-2021 02:17 PM

Never heard the alice cooper song...nice. The lulu song is one of my least favorite...stupid lyrics, dated. I like the song they used for thunderball :)

Mennonite 10-14-2021 04:09 PM

The Spy Who Loved Me is the best of the Roger Moore Bond movies, right? Great opening scene, good main villain, hot Bond Girl, Jaws, and not as much silly comedy.

Raiderhater 10-14-2021 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 15894012)
The Spy Who Loved Me is the best of the Roger Moore Bond movies, right? Great opening scene, good main villain, hot Bond Girl, Jaws, and not as much silly comedy.

Personally, I think it’s his first one, Live and Let Die. Everything after seemed to just get cornier and cornier.

Bowser 10-14-2021 06:08 PM

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RockChalk 10-15-2021 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 15891854)
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Ana De Armas… she is beautiful…

Just a complete ****ing smokeshow

Mennonite 10-15-2021 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 15894055)
Personally, I think it’s his first one, Live and Let Die. Everything after seemed to just get cornier and cornier.


I really like Yaphet Kotto and Jane Seymour but the comic relief sheriff really hurt that movie, imo. And then they brought him back for The Man with the Golden Gun!



https://i.imgur.com/uVQXBkP.jpg


I've been doing a mini marathon of some of the better (imo) Bond flicks and I may need to revisit that one.


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Raiderhater 10-16-2021 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 15894898)
I really like Yaphet Kotto and Jane Seymour but the comic relief sheriff really hurt that movie, imo. And then they brought him back for The Man with the Golden Gun!



https://i.imgur.com/uVQXBkP.jpg


I've been doing a mini marathon of some of the better (imo) Bond flicks and I may need to revisit that one.

I enjoy the locations, especially New Orleans and the island, and the “voodoo vibe” that naturally fit with those places. Baron Samedi is a nice little small role character that helps sell that vibe.

I can’t disagree with you on the sheriff, and his return in MWTGG was even worse. There is plenty of silly and cheesy aspects of the film to roll your eyes over but, as I said those moments seem to just kept getting worse with each passing film (and in all fairness the first steps down that path were taken before Moore took on the role). But different strokes and all.

Mennonite 10-16-2021 09:26 AM

I'm still in the midst of my Bond mini-marathon. I thought I had seen all of the 007 movies, but it turns out that I was wrong. I had missed one, and it turns out to be a really good one:


The Living Daylights (1987)

https://i.imgur.com/TRLSQOd.jpg

This is easily one of the best of the series, imo. There is the obligatory Q comic relief scene, and a silly car chase scene early on, but the cheese is really toned down in this installment. What's more it actually has a coherent and entertaining plot which is a rare thing for this franchise.


Next:

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)


The Winter Olympics version of Bond. Not very good. There are a lot of problems here. Foremost is that George Lazenby is a poor replacement for Sean Connery. Secondly, the movie looks dated even more so that the earliest films due to the Austin Powers-esque wardrobes on display. Another thing that bugs me is that some otherwise excellent action sequences are ruined by the use of fast motion; it just looks comical.

There are some good points. I like Diana Rigg and Telly Savalas manages to make Blofeld menacing. Too often, imo, Blofeld comes across as a chump. Outside of this movie, I think he works best as the mysterious, faceless, head of SPECTRE. He should never be used in a face to face confrontation with Bond, much less in a physical conflict.

And the ending also works. I have no idea how a movie that I've disliked watching for two hours can still have an effective final 15 minutes but this one pulls it off. The wedding scene with Moneypenny and the final scene on the roadside are both really good.


Next:

Dr. No
From Russia With Love
Goldfinger


Connery is the best Bond, but I find all three of these movies kind of boring. There are some iconic scenes for sure but I think all three would have been better if they were trimmed by 20 or more minutes. Goldfinger is the best of the three, but for all the fun things about it, I still find parts of it dull. For instance, do we need both the gin rummy and golf scenes? Another problem is that there are several times when you ask yourself "Why doesn't Goldfinger kill Bond now?" and there's really no other answer than "Bond is the hero and he must win in the end."

Goldfinger highlights:

Oddjob fight and bomb disarmament scenes at the end, the golden girl, "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die", Grandma with a machine gun at the guardpost.


For Your Eyes Only (1981)

Lame completely unmemorable villains and waaaaay too much cheesy comedy. It's amazing that they kept churning out these movies.

GoldenEye (1995)



https://i.imgur.com/yX4rCeF.jpg

There's a lot of silly stuff, but I think this is one of the more entertaining entries in the series. Famke Janssen is sexy and fun, Sean Bean makes a worthy adversary, and there are a lot of memorable stunt/action scenes. I never realized that the Russian chick butchering "Stand By Your Man" was played by Minnie Driver.

There's one consistent thing about Bond pictures: the filmmakers are 100% committed to not giving a **** about the story making sense. This movie has one of my favorite examples. At the end Joe Don Baker has a totally random line about "tobacco plants." It's completely out of left field. If you think back to his first scene he has another random line where he asks Bond whether he likes to garden. Apparently there was some whole running gag planned about Baker's character having a green thumb and a tendency to talk about plants a lot. All of that stuff (thankfully) got cut out out but they couldn't be bothered to remove those two lines for some reason so Joe Don looks like a lunatic.


Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)


I just can't get into this one. The movie felt like a series of action scenes instead of a story. I also didn't think much of the Rupert Murdoch clone and his blond henchman as the movie's villains.

Say what you will about the quality of the movies the Brosnan era did have the hottest Bond girls. Famke Janssen, Teri Hatcher, Cecilie Thomsen, Halle Berry, Sophie Marceau, Denise Richards, Maria Grazia Cucinotta.

https://i.imgur.com/waL4WEN.jpg

Mennonite 10-17-2021 02:43 PM

And the marathon continues...


Never Say Never Again (1983)

Embarrassing money grab. Horrible theme song.


Skyfall (2012)

Bond vs a creepy Eurotrash hairdresser!

This one is popular but I don't care for it. Look, if a movie has a character named Plenty O'Toole I'm not going to nitpick plot holes and such, but if the new Bond movies want to be serious I'm going to hold them to a different standard.

The bad guy's plot makes zero sense. Absolutely none. Secondly, Daniel Craig's Bond wears thin pretty fast; scowling is no substitute for a personality. Thirdly, why should I care about M or anyone else in these stories? They are all two dimensional and M (in any iteration) has never been a likable or interesting character. The ending is also stupid. It's like they lifted a few pages from a home invasion movie. The 70+ year old head of MI6 isn't going to use any of her vast army of spies and billions of dollars worth of sci-fi weapons technology to stop the bad guy. Instead she's going to make her final stand with one agent who has seen better days and an 80 year old groundskeeper. Oh, and they have to borrow a gun from the old guy because they just forgot that they might need one or something. And what about the list with all the undercover agents names?

On the plus side there are some beautiful location shots, and the action scenes were well done.



The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)

https://i.imgur.com/uKAlhG4.gif

This is my favorite from the Moore era but it still isn't very good. It has an intriguing premise: a sexy Russian spy is forced to work with Bond to save the world even though Bond is responsible for the death of her lover. Unfortunately, the movie doesn't really do anything with this idea. Part of the problem is Barbara Bach; she can't act at all. She doesn't even try to. She's just a lump. A sexy lump, but a lump nonetheless.

https://i.imgur.com/N8cLToo.png

How bad of an actress do you have to be when you can look this hot and still **** up a movie?


The first 40 minutes or so are pretty strong; the opening ski/parachute scene is great, Karl Stromberg has a great intro scene where he feeds his mistress to a shark, Richard Kiel makes his debut as Jaws, and there are some nice location shots in Egypt. And then it starts to go wrong. It starts with a lot of cheesy one liners in the first Bond/Jaws clash and the tone for the rest of the movie is never as serious as it should have been considering the movie's premise.
The comedy is bad, but the lackluster direction is what really does the movie in. Scenes that should be thrilling consistently fall flat.

I would love to see this one remade.

GayFrogs 10-17-2021 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 15896005)
At the end Joe Don Baker has a totally random line about "tobacco plants." It's completely out of left field. If you think back to his first scene he has another random line where he asks Bond whether he likes to garden. Apparently there was some whole running gag planned about Baker's character having a green thumb and a tendency to talk about plants a lot. All of that stuff (thankfully) got cut out out but they couldn't be bothered to remove those two lines for some reason so Joe Don looks like a lunatic.

:LOL:

Mennonite 10-17-2021 05:25 PM

Next up...

Live and Let Die (1973)

The Good:

https://i.imgur.com/2a9Nqaa.png

Baby-faced Jane Seymour

The Bad:

https://i.imgur.com/78fN9AB.png

Redneck Sheriff J.W. Pepper.

God this character sucks. That black guy's expression mirrors my own every time this guy shows up.

The Ugly:

https://i.imgur.com/Gri09WE.gif

Whacky Inflatable Yaphet Kotto!



Favorite part: the funeral parade assassination.

T-post Tom 10-17-2021 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 15891854)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EarFFRRX0AUskBe.jpg

Ana De Armas… she is beautiful…

Too fat.

ROYC75 10-17-2021 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 15891854)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EarFFRRX0AUskBe.jpg

Ana De Armas… she is beautiful…

And yet somehow, a single lady since 2013? :shake:

Mennonite 10-18-2021 02:29 PM

Make your move, Roy. Just kill a Russian spy or two and make a vaguely dirty quip and she's all yours.




7UP Presents: Moonraker (1979)

https://i.imgur.com/22hk0bJ.png

A bad comedy with a lot of obvious product placement. Only worth a watch if you are a big fan of Richard Kiel. The laser battle in space would be cool to see with today's CGI.




A View to a Kill (1985)

https://i.imgur.com/C2wuQMA.gif

Dull stuff. It seemed cheaply made. They did a very poor job with the stunts in this one. Or at least with hiding the stunt doubles. Moore's last.

Thunderball

The undersea footage is boring as hell, but the stuff on dry land isn't much better. The writing is even sloppier here than usual. I don't think Bond was very likeable here either. I have no problem with him being a lady killer, but he comes across as a creep in this one.

On the plus side Thunderball does have the best looking girls of the Connery era. Claudine Auger, Luciana Paluzzi, and Martine Beswick are all top shelf.


Die Another Day (2002)

https://i.imgur.com/KItWsyw.png

It's like a Roger Moore era movie but with a blockbuster budget and post millennium FX so they were able to crank the goofiness up to 100. The only reason to watch this one is for Halle Berry. The Bond producers cast some not so hot black actresses in previous movies, but she more than balances the scales. Speaking of casting: Pam Grier would have been perfect for Live and Let Die and Vanessa Williams would have been a great addition to A View to a Kill.

Oh, and John Cleese made a good Q.

Mennonite 10-19-2021 09:26 AM

So is nobody else here going to see No Time to Die? There seemed to be a lot of enthusiasm for it early in the thread, but it looks like only 3 of us actually watched it.



Next up in my re-watch:




Diamonds Are Forever (1971)

Now I love a good action movie, but I may love a dumb action movie even more than a good one. As long as it's sufficiantly over the top to be entertaining and fun. Movies like Invasion U.S.A. (1985), Stone Cold (1991), and Live Wire (1992). Diamonds are Forever definitely fits into this category.


https://i.imgur.com/gEXRQc0.gif


Who needs a coherent plot when you have Plenty O'Toole? Not to mention Bond strangling a chick with her bikini top, an awesome brawl in an elevator, the bizarro assassins Mr. Kidd and Mr. Wint, Shirley Basey singing the title song, Jill St. John's ever changing (but always revealing) wardrobe, Jimmy Dean the Sausage King of Las Vegas, Bambi and Thumper, a classic Mustang that can go up on two wheels just by having the passengers lean really hard to the right, a faked moon landing, a flaming shish kabob death scene, and Ernst Stavro Blofeld in drag.

https://i.imgur.com/43WpL1T.png

"My dear, in 40 years this will get me a Courage Award at the ESPYs."

Mennonite 10-21-2021 09:40 AM

Wrapping up my 007 marathon.



Octopussy (1983)

https://i.imgur.com/pkpumcT.png

An absolutely ridiculous movie, I admit, but it's so damn over the top that it eventually won me over. It's just bonkers. The clown killing, the crocodile disguise, the general who loves circuses more than anything else in life, the thug who yields a yo-yo with circular saw attachments, the stuffed tiger attack, the balcony escape scene, the mechanical horse's ass that hides a miniature airplane - the madness never stops!

Octopussy's bed: Am I the only one who thinks it looks like a vagina? I mean you can clearly see that it's supposed to look like an octopus, but when you look at it (and the curtains above it) it kinda looks like a twat. I can't be the only one who sees this. Either way it looks like it belongs on the set of "The Best Little Whorehouse in Atlantis."


Casino Royale (2006)

Still my favorite. Great action scenes. No campy humor. Pretty good bad guys. No major plot issues.


Spectre (2015)

Boring. Very very boring. With a script this weak you would think they would try to wrap things up as fast as possible but no this movie is two and a half ****ing hours long. The best part is that after you get the Austin Powers plot twist you've got another good 30 minutes or so to sit there and think about how dumb this movie is without being interrupted by anything interesting happening.


You Only Live Twice (1967)

So close to being a good movie, but the sloppy writing brings it down a few notches.

Things I can overlook:

- The fact that faking 007's death makes no sense in the context of the rest of the movie. Why fake his death, send the story to the newspapers (along with Bond's picture!), and then send him on a mission in the same region without any kind of disguise? This could have been fixed with two lines of dialog from M: "When I realized we couldn't get you out of Hong Kong alive, 007, I realized we'd have to get you out dead. Did you find any evidence linking China to SPECTRE?"

- Blofeld's brilliant plan to profit by starting nuclear armageddon.

- The villainess who doesn't recognise Bond even after seeing his obituary "in all the newspapers" who, instead of shooting him when she has the chance, decides to go with the classic "I'll get him on a plane, lightly restrain him, and then parachute out at 30,000 feet and just assume that he won't escape like he has a million times before." I love how none of these bad guys never think twice about sacrificing an entire plane instead of spending money on a single bullet. Scaramanga did it right.

What I can't overlook:

The stupidity of Bond's Jap disguise. To call the makeup job half-assed is an insult to butt cheeks. And it's all so pointless. From a storytelling point of view all you need to do is get Bond from the village to the top of the hill to discover the bad guy's hideout. Instead of just having him walk up the ****ing hill they go through ten or fifteen minutes where Bond has to be "transformed" and also take time to train as a ninja. Oh, and they also take a few seconds to kill the Japanese spy girl who has been helping him for the entire movie and then immediatly replace her with another Japanese spy girl who serves the same purpose without even missing a beat. They waste all this time for nothing - the two of them just casually walk to the top of the hill. Hell, Bond doesn't even wear his ****ing "disguise"!

A lot of these movies get ruined by this type of shitty writing. It's either issues that could be easily fixed, or stupid stuff that is added for no damn reason. 60 years later and the franchise is still doing it too.


Never Say Never Again (1983)

I dismissed this as an "embarassing money grab" upthread, but after thinking about it it does have some good points. Fatima Blush is cool. Connery gets some good one liners. The action scene with the sharks is good as well as the motorcycle chase.

It's a bad movie for sure, but it's not totally bad. The awful musical score, casting mistakes, and the fact that the best actors didn't have much to work with in the script end up ruining it ultimatly.


Quantum of Solace (2008)

What the hell happened here? A very disappointing follow-up to Casino Royale. This is one of the worst filmed movies I've ever seen. I've never seen a movie with this many quick cuts. It's like you are constantly skipping ahead 15 seconds for every second that is actually passing. It's almost nausiating.

The villains are also some of the weakest of the series. Maybe the weakest.


The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)

What a wasted opportunity! Christopher Lee as the world's greatest assassin, Herve Villachez as the world's smallest factotem, exotic Asian locales, sexy young Britt Ekland and Maud Adams in her pre-OctoMILF years and yet the movie is still one of the worst. The problem is that there is a great 45 minutes worth of story here but it's buried under another 80 minutes worth of crap. Oh well at least Britt was cute:

https://i.imgur.com/KklJnyN.png


License to Kill (1989)

The worst of the worst. I thought "The Living Daylights" was one of the series' best but this sequel is horrible. It doesn't feel like a Bond film at all. It's more like a stereotypical 80s "tough cop out for revenge" movie. The problem is that these guys have absolutely no idea how to make this type of movie. Dalton looks incredibly uncomfortable. He's a fish out of water from start to finish. The story is terrible; the direction is worse. It's hard to understand how a big budget movie can look flatter and cheaper than contemporary 80s tv dramas but it does. This is compounded by the fact that most of the American actors they hired were minor has-been tv actors. When the typical Bond silliness crops up near the end it comes across even goofier than usual due to how (tediously) grim the rest of the movie has been. They should have hired some director from Golan Globus or PM Entertainment to direct this thing. It would still have sucked but at least it would have had a pulse.

I did laugh at the "Turn off the bloody machine!" line near the end.



The World is Not Enough (1999)

Why does the writing of these blockbuster Bond films feel as slapdash as some of the old American tv shows from the 1960s? Those shows had to deal with small budgets and merciless deadlines where they had to produce 30 episodes per season - so what is the excuse of the producers of the Bond movies?

I saw this in the theater and didn't like it. When I re-watched it the other night I found it to be a lot better than I remembered. The action scenes weren't as good as the other Brosnan era flicks, but it has a much more serious tone that I liked. There were some odd things that I didn't quite understand but I assumed that I wasn't paying enough attention. I watched it again last night and, no, I actually hadn't missed anything; the script is a disaster.

There are a lot of lines that are just nonsense - they sound like lines you would throw into a script as you write it knowing that you will go back later and write a proper piece of dialog. Except in this case nobody ever bothered with a second draft. The plot is rubbish too; there are so many problems that I couldn't possibly enumerate them all.

Positives: The pre credits scene is quite good and features some excellent stunt work. The theme song by Garbage is one of the better Bond theme songs. Pierce Brosnan gives a more varied performance than you usually get in these movies. The biggest plus? The women! Three of the best looking Bond girls appear in this movie:


https://i.imgur.com/1AeUF8V.png


A defense of Denise Richards: Nearly every review of "The World is Not Enough" mentions how terrible she is, and, yeah, she is miscast, but she is actually one of the best "good" Bond girls, imo. Compare her performance to those of the actresses who played Dr. Goodhead, Honey Rider, Mary Goodnight, or Solitaire and she comes across as the second coming of Meryl Streep. Jesus Christ, Roger Moore may has well been handcuffed to a pretty mannequin in most of his movies.

This is a franchise that manages to get flat performances out of legitimately great actors so I have to give Richards some credit for at least putting in some effort. She's not a great actress but her performance here wasn't any worse than that of (Acadamy Award winning actress) Halle Berry in the next film.

Mennonite 10-22-2021 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 15894652)
Just a complete ****ing smokeshow

She's one of the best things about the new movie.


https://i.imgur.com/ZMThYIg.jpg


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Check out Ana de Armas in training for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoTimeToDie?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NoTimeToDie</a>. <a href="https://t.co/KKRlrYGTUU">pic.twitter.com/KKRlrYGTUU</a></p>&mdash; James Bond (@007) <a href="https://twitter.com/007/status/1450386242747633666?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Very cute in the second Blade Runner movie, too.

Tribal Warfare 10-22-2021 11:00 PM

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Mennonite 10-23-2021 10:21 AM

^ Every one of those criticisms is true...and he's still the best Bond.

The video guy's ranking of Bond actors is pretty bad, imo. Anybody picking George Lazenby at #1 is just being a contrarian.

My Bond Actor Rankings:

01: Connery (Charisma of a movie star)
02: Brosnan (A mix of both Connery and Moore and handsome enough to make the ladykiller thing believable)
03: Moore (Likeability of a tv star)
04: Dalton (TLD vers. not LTK vers.)
05: Craig (Kind of wooden. Scowling isn't a replacement for a personality or charisma)
06: Lazenby



Bond Movies Ranked from Best to Worst:

Casino Royale (2006)
GoldenEye (1995)
The Living Daylights (1987)
Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
Octopussy (1983)
You Only Live Twice (1967)
Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
Goldfinger (1964)
The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
Dr. No (1962)
No Time to Die (2021)
Die Another Day (2002)
Never Say Never Again (1983)
The World is Not Enough (1999)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
From Russia with Love (1963)
Skyfall (2012)
Moonraker (1979)
Spectre (2015)
The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
A View to a Kill (1985)
Live and Let Die (1973)
For Your Eyes Only (1981)
Quantum of Solace (2008)
Thunderball (1965)
License to Kill (1989)


Hottest Bond Girls:

01 Teri Hatcher as "Paris Carver"
02 Denise Richards as "Christmas Jones"
03 Luciana Paluzzi as "Fiona Volpe"
04 Halle Berry as "Jinx"
05 Maria Grazia Cucinotta as "Cigar Girl"
06 Famke Janssen as "Xenia Onatopp"
07 Claudine Auger as "Domino Derval"
08 Britt Ekland as "Mary Goodnight"
09 Jill St. John as "Tiffany Case" (Good face, good body, bad wigs)
10 Tanya Roberts as "Stacey Sutton" (I cheated here. Makeup and wardrobe didn't do her any favors in "A View to a Kill" but there is no way I can keep her off the list after growing up watching her in Beastmaster (1982) and Sheena (1984). I mean c'mon now...

https://i.imgur.com/Vyzkv8N.png



Bond MILFs:

01 Monica Belluci as "Lucia Sciarra" (10 or 20 years younger and she would have been at the top of my list of Bond girls.
02 Maud Adams as "Octopussy" (She's just classy looking)

Honorable mentions:

Izabella Scorupco as "Natalya Simonova" (Hotter in real life than in GoldenEye)
Cecilie Thomsen as "Inga Bergstrom" (hot but barely in TND)
Barbara Bach as "Anya Amasova" (looks great in a Russian hat)



Favorite Pre-Title Sequences:

GoldenEye (1995)
Casino Royale (2006)
The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
The World is Not Enough (1999)
You Only Live Twice (1967)



Best Opening Credits:

The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
Goldfinger (1964)


Favorite Theme Songs:

"James Bond Theme" by Monty Norman & John Barry (Dr. No)
"Live and Let Die" by Wings (Live and Let Die )
"The World is Not Enough" by Garbage (The World is Not Enough)

Favorite Henchmen:

Oddjob
Jaws
Xenia Onatopp
Mr. Kidd and Mr. Wynt
Fatima Blush


Favorite Movie Posters:

Dr. No (United Artists, 1962) Spanish One Sheet
Thunderball (United Artists, 1965) One Sheet
Octopussy (MGM/UA, 1983) British Quad
Live and Let Die (United Artists, 1973) Six Sheet
For Your Eyes Only (United Artists, 1981) British Quad


You can view these posters here:

https://www.limitedruns.com/blog/mov...s-of-all-time/


Not included on that site is the video game cover version of From Russia With Love. I've always liked this one:

https://i.imgur.com/DMrPAdq.jpg

crayzkirk 10-24-2021 07:17 AM

It was enjoyable. Will add to my collection of Blu-Ray movies for re-viewing at a later time. I'm sure that I missed some important parts.

Spoiler!

Mennonite 10-24-2021 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 15909280)
It was enjoyable. Will add to my collection of Blu-Ray movies for re-viewing at a later time. I'm sure that I missed some important parts.

Spoiler!


About your spoilers:

Spoiler!



The bottom line is that the writing in this franchise, from the books, to Dr. No, to No Time to Die, is complete shit. Some of the movies are fun enough that you can overlook the terrible writing and frequently poor direction, but most if the time you end up with crap.

Casino Royale is the only genuinely good movie of the entire series, and even it has some issues.

Bowser 10-24-2021 04:25 PM

Point of Parliamentary Procedure, your honor -

Who was the woman from Casino Royale that died early on when Bond was in the Bahamas? Dimitros's (I think?) girlfriend, the brunette? That woman was/is (most likely still) a goddess. She should be on the list, even if she isn't technically a Bond girl. Eva Green, as well (imho, of course).

Buehler445 10-24-2021 11:48 PM

RE: Quantum of Solace

Writers strike totally ****ed that one. They decided to push it out anyway and it was a shitshow. The writers get paid for a reason.

Mennonite 10-25-2021 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15912275)
Point of Parliamentary Procedure, your honor -

Who was the woman from Casino Royale that died early on when Bond was in the Bahamas? Dimitros's (I think?) girlfriend, the brunette? That woman was/is (most likely still) a goddess. She should be on the list, even if she isn't technically a Bond girl. Eva Green, as well (imho, of course).


Solange was the character in Casino Rayale, I believe.

https://i.imgur.com/IGH9ZGE.jpg

There area lot of hot Italian women in these movies.

I saw Eva Greene on several Bond Girl lists, but I don't think she looks that hot. I think it's her makeup. She looked much better in the scenes where she wasn't wearing any.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15912940)
RE: Quantum of Solace

Writers strike totally ****ed that one. They decided to push it out anyway and it was a shitshow. The writers get paid for a reason.


That still wouldn't have fixed the movie's biggest issue: the way it was filmed. The constant camera cuts make it feel like you are trying to watch the movie while you're on a rollercoaster. The average shot length was 1.7 seconds. Frenetic camera movements can ramp up excitement in action sequences, but taken to extremes and the audience can't even tell what they're watching. And when the same technique is used in the slower parts of the film you just end up with an unwatchable mess.

The makers of the new Star Trek series have the same problems. A scene with Picard getting a cup of tea features 5 cuts and a camera spinning around like it just came from an early 2000s Tony Scott movie.

Mennonite 10-25-2021 10:15 AM

Couple of crummy gifs:



https://i.imgur.com/b4t9ch3.gif

https://i.imgur.com/l0E358z.gif

Mennonite 10-25-2021 07:58 PM

I was bored so I tinkered with that pic of Caterina Murino a bit:


https://i.imgur.com/0WUxLhp.png



The usual "I suck at Photoshop" disclaimer applies as always.

RunKC 10-30-2021 11:12 AM

I liked it but Rami Malek was not a very good villain IMO. It was an enjoyable film that I’ll watch again.

I still love Casino Royale and Skyfall the best out of this installment.

listopencil 11-11-2021 03:24 AM

Finally got around to this. Simply put, if you don't like this movie then you aren't a fan of the franchise. It's a fitting tribute.

Deberg_1990 11-11-2021 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 15948255)
Finally got around to this. Simply put, if you don't like this movie then you aren't a fan of the franchise. It's a fitting tribute.

Agreed. I liked it a lot and I didn’t like the last one very much.

It has kind of a throwback ending with the big bad in his huge island lair. Although, don’t think too deep into it. Like “why would all these minions work for him?” He must pay well?

crayzkirk 11-11-2021 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15948301)
Agreed. I liked it a lot and I didn’t like the last one very much.

It has kind of a throwback ending with the big bad in his huge island lair. Although, don’t think too deep into it. Like “why would all these minions work for him?” He must pay well?

Spoiler!

listopencil 11-11-2021 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15948301)
Agreed. I liked it a lot and I didn’t like the last one very much.

It has kind of a throwback ending with the big bad in his huge island lair. Although, don’t think too deep into it. Like “why would all these minions work for him?” He must pay well?

There were a shit ton of call backs and signature phrases/moves throughout the movie. Fun stuff. Like you said it's not deep by any means.

ThaVirus 07-10-2022 07:06 PM

First and foremost, I'd eat Ana de Armas' ass. Ferociously.

Now that that's out of the way.. This is one you can't think too much about, but on the surface it's a quintessential Bond flick. If you didn't enjoy this one, I think you just don't like the James Bond franchise.

It was a great send off for Daniel Craig, though I'd probably rank this one riiiight in the middle of the Craig Bonds.

Casino Royale
Skyfall
No Time to Die
Quantum of Solace
Spectre

Now that I think about it, NTtD and QoS are pretty interchangeable in my eyes. Spectre was really the only dud of Craig's, IMO.

MarkDavis'Haircut 07-10-2022 07:42 PM

It sucked.

Craig's James Bond run generally sucked after Casino Royale.

lawrenceRaider 07-11-2022 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16363400)
It sucked.

Craig's James Bond run generally sucked after Casino Royale.

Despite the lovely Eva Green being in Casino Royale, it was my least favorite of the Craig Bond flicks.

RunKC 07-11-2022 07:49 AM

Casino Royals and Skyfall were good. The rest went downhill

ThaVirus 07-11-2022 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16363633)
Despite the lovely Eva Green being in Casino Royale, it was my least favorite of the Craig Bond flicks.

Whew, that's a hot take, brev.

Not only do I think Casino Royale is easily the best Craig Bond, I think it's one of the best Bond films of all-time.

lawrenceRaider 07-11-2022 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16363983)
Whew, that's a hot take, brev.

Not only do I think Casino Royale is easily the best Craig Bond, I think it's one of the best Bond films of all-time.

I tried re-watching it recently and still don't care for it.

Raiderhater 07-11-2022 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16363375)
First and foremost, I'd eat Ana de Armas' ass. Ferociously.

Now that that's out of the way.. This is one you can't think too much about, but on the surface it's a quintessential Bond flick. If you didn't enjoy this one, I think you just don't like the James Bond franchise.

It was a great send off for Daniel Craig, though I'd probably rank this one riiiight in the middle of the Craig Bonds.

Casino Royale
Skyfall
No Time to Die
Quantum of Solace
Spectre

Now that I think about it, NTtD and QoS are pretty interchangeable in my eyes. Spectre was really the only dud of Craig's, IMO.

Bond dying is quintessential of the franchise?

ThaVirus 07-11-2022 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16364062)
I tried re-watching it recently and still don't care for it.

I can actually see that. I originally watched it when it was first released (I was a teen) and hated it. I just remember thinking it was so ****ing boring. Dude spent half the movie playing cards!

Few years later I had learned how to play poker and randomly came across that initial chase scene from the beginning on YouTube and I'm like "What the ****? This is awesome and I don't remember any of it".

So I re-watched it and for whatever reason it just really hit for me then.

Now, I will admit that I really enjoyed Quantom of Solace, which is pretty much universally panned so maybe I'm not the best judge of Bond film quality lol I also re-watched most of the Brosnan Bonds recently and enjoyed the hell out of those too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 16364116)
Bond dying is quintessential of the franchise?

Yeah, I mean most of the stuff up to that. That happened in the last couple minutes of the movie.

It had Bond being suave, hot Bond girls, Bond plot armor, one-liner humor, cool cars, awesome gadgets from Q, a comical villain, said villain on an island lair, showdown on said villainous island lair.

Major differences in this one were Bond dying, obv, and the relationship dynamic. Going the family man direction wasn't really conducive to him bagging a lot of young broads. So in that regard, yeah, I could see how you'd say it wasn't; but it had everything else you'd typically see in a Bond flick.

Stryker 07-11-2022 08:27 PM

Great ending but my worry is his replacement as 007. Want an AWESOME Bond that has several different stories than an elongated story across several movies like Craig was. Get a great NEW Bond and have several stories ala Rodger Moore and Sean Connery.

Sofa King 07-12-2022 08:36 AM

Finally watched this. I thought it was very good. I understand the ending, pretty sad. Part of me is sad about the ending because of my fear that they'll keep that robotic black chick as 007. That would be a nightmare. But I'm sure they'll go with a minority of some kind since Bond has become such a woke franchise.

With Mennonite's reviews I really don't understand why he is even watching these movies. He seems to hate them all.

ThaVirus 07-12-2022 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 16364978)
Finally watched this. I thought it was very good. I understand the ending, pretty sad. Part of me is sad about the ending because of my fear that they'll keep that robotic black chick as 007. That would be a nightmare. But I'm sure they'll go with a minority of some kind since Bond has become such a woke franchise.

With Mennonite's reviews I really don't understand why he is even watching these movies. He seems to hate them all.

Sometimes the ones who hate a franchise the most are its biggest fans.

For many years in the late 2000s, there wasn't a single person who hated the Kansas City Chiefs more than me lol

MarkDavis'Haircut 07-24-2022 01:54 PM

https://movieweb.com/bill-maher-blas...iel-craig/amp/

Can't believe a timeline exists where I agree with Maher on a topic.

Sure-Oz 07-26-2022 06:49 PM

Loved this movie...ending bummed me out but seemed fitting.

Sure-Oz 07-26-2022 06:51 PM

Are the dude bros mad that bond isn't banging chicks left in right in his last few movies? These movies were all entertaining...now I'm curious who will be the next bond.


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