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MVP - Most Valuable Player. Doesn't have anything to do with stats.
Mahomes is driving this team to the Super Bowl. |
Based on what I've seen, Brees should probably get it.
As good as Mahomes has been, Brees has been damn near perfect. |
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I’m kinda shocked Brees hasn’t won before?
Guess he’s been blocked by Manning, Brady and Rodgers? |
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It does help that Brees will have played in a dome 11 games out of 16 this year. His road game at Cincy, mid 40s, 2mph wind, was probably the harshest game weather condition wise he will face. His remaining road games at outdoor stadiums: Bucs and Panthers.
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I mean Drew Brees is great and all....
but......... <a href="https://ibb.co/bZuvcA"><img src="https://preview.ibb.co/fJfqAV/2018-11-21-12-14-08.png" alt="2018-11-21-12-14-08" border="0"></a> 4 Division titles in 12 years? |
112 - Wins
80 - Loses That is the Saints with Drew Brees, there are a ton of VALID REASONS he has never won MVP before. |
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I just saying just because guy has put up stats like no other doesnt mean he has delivered when it mattered. You don't give MVP to someone because of the history of his play with the current year added in. The reason Drew Brees has never won MVP is because he never deserved it. Maybe this year he does, but there is no way in hell if Pat throws 50+ TD's that he will deserve it over Pat. Go figure as soon as Saints get two ALL-PRO backs his completion percentage goes up. |
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There is like 5 QBs having MVP type seasons...it just isn't special any more to see these gaudy numbers. With that being said, I would go for Brees and that 25:1 TD:INT ratio |
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Let's face it, he's been a top five QB in pretty much every year of his career, but some years he was blocked by an unimpressive W-L record that was mostly caused by pathetic defenses, and other years was blocked by two QBs that are generally considered top five EVER -- Manning and Brady. |
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Still alot of season left. Mahomes could have a bad game or 2 and so could Brees. Too early.
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Easily mahomes. But barring some collapse, I think Monday night sealed it in the voters' eyes. I don't like it, but that's probably the case.
That's unfortunate. If Reid was belichick, mahomes would be destroying passing records. And brees will end the season with barely a cold weather challenge. |
They'll give it to Brees no doubt. They'll look at the turnovers from Mahomes and say Brees was better, despite less yardage and way less TD's.
They'll also ignore the fact that Drew Brees is a check down king. He makes his hay with receivers picking up big YAC, much like Alex Smith. I remember seeing the metric chart a few weeks ago illustrating that Brees is right there with the likes of Smith and Carr in short yardage passing. Of course no on in the National media will give a flying **** about that, not when it comes to Brees of course. |
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You guys have turned into homer city. You're really stretching on some of this Brees stuff. Those four years Brees went 7-9 his defenses ranked 31st, 28th, 31st and 32nd. If I'm not mistaken that defense that finished 32nd set the NFL record for yards allowed. That is horrible.
There have been nine 5000 yard passing seasons in the history of the NFL, and Brees has five of them. Nobody else has done it more than once. He has a legit shot to post 80,000 career passing yards and 550 career TD... and doing that while having the highest completion percentage in the history of the NFL. You can argue he's the best passing QB to ever play the game. |
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Brees will get it. Mahomes really hurt his chances against the Rams.
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I think they should scrap the MVP award all together. It's basically just a QB award now.
Go back last decade, and only nonQB to win the award was Adrian Peterson in 2012. We all know the most important position on the field is QB. |
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if we would have marched down for a game winning drive Mahomie would be out front for the MVP
voters gonna brees it up |
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Better completion percentage; better QBR; 25 TDs to 1 interception; and he actually beat the Rams. I would vote for Brees without hesitation at this point. :shrug:
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Do you not recall the Cinici game? I feel like i've said this before. It was just a few weeks ago. |
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He threw 3 interceptions, one for a touchdown and one to basically end the game. All this during a Monday Night Game with the whole world watching. It has to hurt his chances. |
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Ifs and Buts, I just hope we learned for the playoffs from this experience. |
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Minus 2 fumbles, including the strip/sack for a touchdown fumble We probably win then as well. so close. |
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Considering that the last 18 MVP’s (19 if you count 2003 when McNair and Manning shared it) have all lost in the playoffs, I hope that Brees gets it.
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Aaron Donald should be in the mix... I mean 14.5 sacks as a DT is unreal...
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With Brees' efficiency against Mahomes' INT total, he'll get it.
Mahomes could still earn it if he breaks the TD record, though. I think he needs like 19 in 6 weeks. Will be tough but doable. |
Too much football left.
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definitey Brees as of right now but a lot of football left to be played... Mahomes needs to get those turnovers down..
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NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes
Prior to this weekend I felt it was already Brees’ to lose. After the games this weekend I think it’s pretty much set that Brees will win it. The never won it thing is a big factor and since at this point the numbers are a toss up Brees will get it due not having won one.
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A lot of takes in here -- some homers, some reasonable, some seemingly thinking Brees is all over it. I'm very 50-50 on it, but here's what I know: Mahomes is the favorite. Literally. He's the Vegas favorite. Generally speaking, this late in the season, I'd imagine the favorite ends up winning a high % of the time.
However, Brees has closed the gap in the past few weeks. A few INTs against Brees would be nice; it's an overrated stat in the context it's currently being used to prop him up. Rodgers also has 1 INT. Matt Ryan has 4, rocking a 22:4 ratio. Meanwhile Big Ben has 10 INTs. Brady has 7. Luck, who's having an unreal year himself, has 9. It's just not a big deal with some context. Shockingly, those QBs all have WAYYYYYY more attempts than Brees. In fact, Brees is basically the world's sickest game manager this year. There are 15 QBs with more attempts. Brees is right there with Cam Newton and Alex Smith, both notorious low-volume guys. |
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I see now that you said best passing QB. Still, who would argue against Dan Marino as the best pure passer in league history?
Drew Brees is great but he's a stat whore. His numbers have been inflated by sheer volume of attempts over the years. |
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At this point I think you have to give it to Brees. 1 mother-effig INT.
But there's a lot of season left. |
Mahomes has been electric this season. Most sports experts picked the Chiefs at the bottom of the division- now we are going to win our 3rd in a row because of PM. His has carried a team with a bad defense most of the year, and a team that will blow away all the stats from the previous year with a different QB. Brees is having a fine year, but has not even been close as far as making the amazing plays Mahomes has made.
Even in stats he is killing Brees. Twice he has thrown 6 TD's and has broken many records already. If he ends up 50 TD's and 5000 yards- there is no way he should not be MVP. He is the Best in the NFL. As far as Brees not getting an MVP before- that should not even be a factor- it is based on THIS year- not a lifetime achievement award. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can get on board with this. Almost ANY other year I can think of, Mahomes would be having the consensus best year of any QB. Just so happens his 1st year starting coincides with a HOF QB having the best year of his life. <a href="https://t.co/1Drs2k2AGQ">https://t.co/1Drs2k2AGQ</a></p>— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1065429537213870080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Brees for MVP, Mahomes for Super Bowl MVP.
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Mahomes has to win more games than Brees to win it, IMO.
If he doesn't the writers won't care about TDs. |
I’m officially at the point of not giving two shits about the MVP award. People won’t shut up about it, specifically on social media, and it makes you realize how meaningless it really is in the big picture.
I just want Mahomes to be the Super Bowl MVP. That’s it. |
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I can calmly and whole heartedly concede and actually be happy to agree that Brees should win the MVP. He deserves it.
I also calmly thought till the last pass that we would beat the Rams. I can accept this because I know in my heart what we have in Mahomes. and The glory will come. |
Well it's far from settled, argument could go both ways:
* tons of TDs (maybe record) * loads of yards (maybe record) * decent TD:Turnover ratio * popular player with fast-growing audience or + sick completion rating + awesome passing rating + almost no Turnovers + HOF player with best season stat-wise Wins should be about the same, probably 13 or 14 for both teams. I don't care much about QB box score stats because completion%, passing yards etc. are really a team stat. Of course if you're going for records it MATTERS, but eye test is crucial to understand what's going on. If we were judging primarily by passer rating or yards, Brees would already have 3+ MVPs. But voters recognized that's not the case. Lots of 7-9 seasons and 40 points games against inferiors. |
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I think they'll get an L somewhere between Panthers games and Steelers bout. But yeah, they look almost invincible atm.
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Mahomes. No question.
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He can win for a myriad of reasons but that is not one of them. |
One reason I keep throwing in the face of Saints fans is their running game is so lethal they don't have to throw it as much.
And that makes Mahomes literally more valuable. The Chiefs have to lean on their QB more. |
High completion percentage and low amount of ints? Are we talking about Alex Smith? I know 77% completion percentage is impressive, but look at the top 20 for completion percentage in a season. It's a bunch of no bodies with a few HoF thrown in there. Bradford, Ryan, Cousins, Ken Anderson and Derek Carr are all in the top 10 for highest completion percentages in a year. Hell look at the list of QBs with the fewest ints thrown, that list has Deberg number 2 and Prescott, Smith, Griffin, and Bradford in the top 10. Do those players impress you, because they sure don't impress me. If Mahomes hits 50 tds then he is the MVP hands down. High completion percentage and lack of interceptions shouldn't win someone an MVP. Mahomes is on pace for the 3rd most yards in a single season and is on pace for the 2nd most TD passes ever. His completion percentage is also 67.5 percent right now. He's the MVP. He's on pace to do things only 1 or 2 other QBs have ever done.
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Nice to see Brees throw an INT tonight. Watching both without question Mahomes is more deserving of the MVP. Brees makes way too many safe horizontal passes and pads his stats and risks getting injured just to take the MVP award from a more deserving Mahomes as he knows this is pretty much his last chance at an MVP.
The only thing worrying me is most vertical offenses tend to slow down in the harsh winters and Brees gets to play in a warm dome all year. |
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Anyone watching this game right now could easily be confused who the MVP on the Saints alone is, never mind the league. The offense goes through Kamara. Brees is literally managing the game. He's definitely the most efficient player in the league, but I don't think he's the best or anywhere near the most valuable.
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Brees looking like alex smith with those dump offs to kamara
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I feel like you guys are watching a different game. On what planet is Drew Brees anywhere near Alex Smith? When have the Saints ever been considered conservative? They are literally the first team you list when you talk about teams that take chances and play aggressively.
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Hard to say there's anyone that deserves it over Mahomes at this point, but if there were it wouldn't be Brees. I think Goff is more deserving than Brees right now.
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All the great ones do, though. Peyton and Brady always worked the short passing game as well. I'm not sure who would consider any of these guys conservative though. |
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Lol. When I think of the NFL's all-time career record holder for passing yards, I don't immediately compare that guy to Alex Smith.
Not quite sure what's going on in this thread. |
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