Thomas is a big physical possession WR who doesn't really have elite speed at all.

He's not comparable to either Holt OR Moss. He's not a 6-4 freak of nature or a six foot skinny speedster.

He’d be more comparable to a Cris Carter if anything. He’s an elite possession receiver.

Absolutely.

With a 90.1% catch rate he's redefining what it means to be an elite possession WR. He's got to be around 75-80% for his 3 year career. That's INSANELY efficient. Sure a lot of that is Brees, but Colston never did that.

Hill and Thomas would be great in any offense. Mt would be valuable to this offense if we didn't have kelce. Mt is a great fit for brees and Brady because brees likes volume short route or underneath guys. Tyreeks a better fit for qbs who attack intermediate and deep like kc and Pittsburgh. If I have Dak or Watson, I might want a jump ball receiver like Hopkins or obj. It really depends on qb and scheme imo. I think lots of qbs would really underuse or misuse tyreek.

I know brees made that comment... My guess is if you asked them without the spiin, brees wouldn't trade MT and mahomes wouldn't trade tyreek.

I can prove you wrong.....

WR stands for Washington Redskins.

Best Washington Redskin in the league right now is Trent Williams.

Prove me wrong.

Guess he doesn't want to make it to the probowl as a "return speshalist".

Thanks Ramsey

Tyreek Hill is clearly a generational talent with HOF potential. You can make a good argument he's the most valuable non-QB in the league. And - as we saw 2 nights ago - he comes through biggest in the biggest games.

He's literally the only Chief I have confidence to make a catch, even a tough one, 95% of the time in a huge spot. Well maybe Hunt as well. Andre Rison was like that. TG. It takes a very special player who can block out all the pressure and chaos in a gigantic spot.

So - if you're the Chiefs, I say you have a giant extension offer waiting for him to sign this offseason - the minute it's eligible to do so.

So what would that look like? Any ideas?

A little higher than Odells probably. Either him or Thomas will be the highest paid WRs in history in a few years. Just depends on who signs their contract later.
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Should be a discount for extending now though hopefully.

Also I hope we don't give Kelce another big contract. I think he's gonna fade.

Maybe he's just in a funk, but he's been dropping balls this year and looked slow as molasses Monday night. I know that one game he wasn't right - I assumed he had the flu or something. But this is twice now.

He should fire his agent if his agent allows him to sign now and for a discount.
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Well the Chiefs have some leverage because they could get two more years out of him with the contract and franchise tag (or double franchise but that's Bell territory and no one wants to go there).

Also every NFL player is one snap away from a career-ending injury. For Hill if he tears and ACL or achilles - his entire advantage is gone.

Leading the league in yards and touchdowns for a tight end. That's a hell of a funk. And he's always had a case of the dropsies every once in a while.
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Nah. Young players come back from leg injuries far better than they used to. I mean Kelce had microfracture surgery before he ever played an NFL game.

I think Ford is a perfect candidate to franchise this year, and extend Hill and maybe Jones. Or let Ford go after 2019 then franchise Jones and maybe pay him if he's willing to take a cut.

I feel like Jones has really earned a contract more than Ford. And Ford is more one-dimensional. There's no answer for Jones right now.

Your takes are terrible man.

Kelce played good yesterday. He had a shaky start and overcame it. Made a huge play at the end of the half.

Go tell the rams how slow he is. They'd slap you.

Sure. But you've got a guy who makes NFL defensive backs look like it's Reggie Bush's high-school highlight reel. If that elite speed even is knocked down a few %, it diminishes his extreme weapon status.

That 3rd and 2 drop was brutal. The game might end very differently if he pulls that in. A couple others were tougher but he could have gotten them. The guys on Locked on Chiefs were talking about all the uncharacteristic drops he's had this year too.

Maybe he wasn't as slow as it felt like to me. I only saw the game live. I'm gonna watch the recording now for as long as I can stomach Witten/Booger/Tessitore. I might need to just mute it and listen to chill techno or something. I am just now coming down from the emotional anxiety that game caused seeing live.

I've noticed that also, he doesn't seem to have the same energy several games this year. He's still having a hell of a good year but somethings different. Maybe that girlfriend he has now is draining him.

If his speed is bumped a little he'll what?

Still be faster than Steve Smith was?

Unless the surgery is botched or his rehabs poorly, he'd come back fine from an ACL.

The achilles, on the other hand... well, at least it's not the career ender it used to be.

His super speed is what he's most elite at but it's far from the only thing that makes his elite.
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Right.

The guy does more than just run go routes every time.

Right now he's the only player in the NFL who you can think DBs have an angle - and then he just blows right by them. That is mega-elite speed.

If an injury changes him from that to say the 10th fastest player in the NFL - how much does that diminish his value? I don't know. But to me it feels like a lot.

Houston is still very good, complete player. But w/o a burst like he used to have, he's not really dominating any more.

Just speculating so you can chill out on attacking my takes.

Yeah agreed - he's great. He's one of the fastest players obviously. But he's also one of the quickest - which doesn't always go together. And he catches damn near everything - which I think is coachable to a degree - but also some players just have it and some don't.

And on top of that he's really worked on his moves breaking out of presses and his route running - to a point that as I said I think he's literally the most valuable non-QB in the league.

If you take away the mega-elite speed - he'll still be a very good player. But maybe he isn't the most valuable non-QB anymore.

Anyway - my whole point was just that these are the kinds of questions that go into a player accepting an extension vs. waiting it out 2 more years to the end of their contract and a possible franchise tag. If I get injured, will I be the same player? Should I just take the very large payday now? This is where the team has some pricing leverage/discount potential if they're offering an extension.

Yup, I'm hoping it's just nose to the grindstone, but there is no fire, and no smile.

I loved watching peyton break kelce down in his segment. Kelce has become not just a good route runner, but a really intelligent one too. Lots of times his patience can be mistaken for slowness.

Maybe the Rams just have ridiculous team speed on D - and it made him look slower to me.

If I'm the GM I'm extending Hill.

Aside from Mahomes he's the only player I view as indispensable and it's entirely BECAUSE KC has Mahomes that he is.

Having him and Mahomes matched together for a decade will keep this offense in the top 10 until I'm in my late 40's.

Same here. I'm extending him as fast as I possibly can.

Someone else said Hill should hold out until he's an UFA. But then of course there's the franchise tag looming. I'm soooo hoping we lock this thing up early like we did with Kelce.

Agreed. Pay him the moon after this season. We don't want him to come even close to free agency. I hope drew rosenhaus won't be a tool about it.

A hell of a find by Dorsey but he cant draft defense even though he drafted 2 of the league leaders in sacks

He is noticeably slower when he catches the ball in the middle of the field in traffic. I think that's just a result of him being careful after the concussions he's had Because when he's in the open field he has the same Kelce speed we're used to.
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I agree completely. I don't pay Ford because he's been hurt too often. I'm ok with tagging him a year or even 2. You extend Hill and Jones.

So I guess it wasn't just me: https://theathletic.com/669600/2018/...rce=dailyemail

Kelce was probably partying somewhere in LA.

The kid made a mistake. He made a poor decision, which lasted a few seconds of his life. He knew what he did was wrong. He never denied it, he stood in open court and accepted blame for his actions. The court decided what his punishment was, and he fulfilled his obligations to the criminal justice system.

He was kicked off his college team, and eventually fell far enough in the draft to probably cost himself more than a million dollars. He has never complained about it, never said he didn't deserve it, etc. He took responsibility like a man should.

I can understand fans being upset because he committed domestic violence against a woman, and not wanting him on the team. But some of those same people support a president who admitted that he sexually assaulted women, touching them inappropriately without their consent.

Or some of those same people pay to watch a boxer who not only committed domestic violence against a woman, he committed domestic violence against more than one woman, and against a woman pregnant with his child.

He has been a great ambassador of the Kansas City Chiefs in the community and on the field. He is currently with the woman who was involved in the incident, and they have moved past it.

I believe that Reid and Dorsey did their due diligence, vetting Hill before drafting him. I believe that neither Reid nor Dorsey would have drafted Hill if they didn't believe he was a quality person.

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#1 on deep passes.

https://youtu.be/WofraNGpTa4

He's looked quite slow for a few games.. like he's being held back in speed but still makes a catch and a TD a bit.

He's looked slower much of the season. Hopefully, the week off helps.

So Tyreek got fined 10 grand for his deuce sign but didn’t get a fine for going in the stands and taking over the camera?

NFL is a joke.

Well, it was for taunting. The camera thingy wasn't directed towards another player on the opposing team. And yeah it's the same thing he does on EVERY TD reception and the penalty and fine is bullshit.

NFL doubled down on their terrible penalty for Hitchens slapping at the ball after the RB kicked his facemask. They seem to be covering for the refs on questionable taunting calls and bullshit ejections like Hitchens.

These penalties piss me off. Where is the fine on Suh for hitting Mahomes in the face? Or was that Donald?

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It was the latest entry on the remarkable highlight film the Chiefs offense has put together this season and it was made all the more memorable by the fact that Hill had spent time in the locker room getting his foot looked at by the team’s medical staff.

“My foot’s bad …Our people did a tremendous job wrapping my foot,” Hill told Peter King of Football Morning in America. “I was still feeling my heel, but at the same time, I knew that man, if you want the W, if you want to be a great receiver, this is your moment to make plays.”

Hill’s fight through the pain on Sunday worked out, but his condition will be something to monitor the next few days as the Chiefs will be facing the Chargers on Thursday.

Doesn’t seem that bad, I hope.

Hey EB, jot that shit down in your notebook.

He said he’s playing Thursday. I imagine we just may have Smith returning punts in his place.

And yesterday I saw Judon slap the ball out of Spencer Ware’s hand as he was lying on the ground. Just stupid!

Yeah what a pussy!?! Other than when be tore his ACL and still stayed on the field for another play, and then came back from cancer another year, he's so soft!
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source?...when did he say this?

Athletic article. Quoted him directly: "I'm playing Thursday."

Here's the section in full:

Before his best reception of the game, Hill came back from two injuries, both of which he sustained in the first half. He injured his left wrist and hand when he tried to block a Ravens linebacker on a running play, and late in the second quarter, Hill hobbled back to the sideline with a right heel injury. He received treatment during halftime and ensured his teammates he wasn’t missing the second half.

“I’m never going to come out of the game,” Hill said. “I’m going to do whatever it takes for this team. My momma always taught me not to be soft, no matter the circumstances. These are my brothers, and I know they’ll do the same thing for me.”

Hill also ensured Chiefs fans that he’ll play a part in the showdown vs. the Chargers.

“I’m playing Thursday,” Hill said.

That kid has a brass set of balls.

PAY THIS MAN! 7 YEARS 140 MILLION IDK BUT PAY THIS MAN!

Edit: Even when he gets old he'll still be faster than most. If he keeps improving his route running he'll turn into somebody like Marvin Harrison (except the murderous part); old but great routes and savvy veteran tricks.

nice..hope he plays

Dude is a tough football player.

One TOUGH player. So NOT a "me-first" guy. Can set an example to all the BROKE DICKS on the team...

Speed simply doesn't go, really. DeSean Jackson is still usually the fastest guy on the field when he's healthy. Remember when Vick came straight out of prison and was usually the fastest guy on the field.

Guy is getting BETTER and that is crazy! Dude is a baller!

Shortly after this fine, I saw a madden commercial with “Hill” doing the very sign he was fined for. LMAO

At 57 second mark:
https://youtu.be/gU6OahHjdxs

He wasn't fined for that. He was fined for putting it in the defenders face aka taunting. I don't like it but we shouldn't act like it was his usual peace sign when he's 30 yards past the nearest defender.
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oh shut up

ROFL
The most blatant taunting I've seen was kelce running up to Baltimore on the 10 yard line and spiking it on him. Made me cringe. Once I knew we got away with it, it made me laugh. Mahomes and hills toughness is infectious. I kind of loved kelce doing that. The ravens were hitting hard and giving an extra shove where they could. You could tell this offense sticks up for each other. Great to see.

I missed that. I want to see it now.

Yeah it was strange.

Reid on Hill: I’m sure he’s sore this morning. If I’m a betting man, I would say he’ll play (Thursday). He loves to play. @KCTV5

Pay Hill whatever he wants. Literally give him a damn blank check. He’s earned every penny

I absolutely love this attitude and mindset, as opposed to someone else on the team who's name doesn't even need to be mentioned.

Lol. One is being paid peanuts right now because he was a 5th round pick and he now wants the moolah.

The other one has already passed Go and collected.

Not saying that's all there is to it but it plays a part in it.

The guy is just a physical freak of nature. His speed and quickness jumped off the screen the very first time I saw him play. Even watching him play pickup basketball is impressive. He's just an amazing athlete. Keep Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce together for a long time.

At least Eric Berry could run the water bottles out during time outs

It's crazy that he made that huge play when he was hurt. He wasn't moving as fast as he could have been if he was healthy.

That is why I think you have to pay him. Yesterday showed that he can be a top receiver even after he loses a step or 2. He's special and is only going to get better. I'd make him the highest paid receiver in the league without hesitation.

shut up

Besides Mahomes, I think Hill is the next important part to the office. Kelce is close, but damn Hill takes things to a different level.

Direct jab at Berry.

That play he made on 3rd and 19 was spectacular. It looked like we were going to be short, but man oh man, he's just so quick and elusive. I was agog.

And another play that shows the impact of he speed was that short run very early in the game. Some DB was set up to tackle him, and Tyreek just ran around the guy. It told me that his speed messes up the angles that defenders take. So it's not just the speed, but also their unfamiliarity with the speed, that messes them up.

Shots fired. Time to man the **** up.

Agreed. He deserves the money.