It was pathetic yes, but we still managed to get within two points of them at the end despite the final score so that should give us confidence. It's been noticeable that Miami have faded badly In the second half In both games and I'm sure the coaches will seek to exploit that on Thursday with or without Embiid.

Pretty entertaining Blazers Pelicans game tonight.

Pretty disappointing if you ask me. :sulk:

I did not expect the Blazers to make a lot of noise but they should be able to win at least one round. Sheesh

Spurs have announced Popovichs wife passed away today.

Wow

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/9...019204102?s=21

Very sad. Rip mrs. pop

ROFL THAT is your thesis? The HOF has a TON players much BETTER than Green, than it does comparable ones. And the NBA has a TON of former players who are also better than Green, who are not in the HOF. And both "bums" you listed were better players than Green. Green will never see the HOF and he shouldn't. He is a good supporting player on a super team. Take him off that team, and he's just a guy who plays hard with a bad attitude, and many of his antics would not be tolerated on a lesser team.

Thats your opinion. What isnt your opinion is Greens body of work over the course of his basketball career. He has a hall of fame resume. He will have a better basketball resume than Mullin and Richmond. No matter what your opinion of him is or how you dont like his play style. Hes going to get more rings, more all stars, more gold medals and more defensive awards before hes done, and that will trump your eye test of him. I have already accepted hes a HOF on paper, you should too.

Watching the game tonight, green is insanely good. The stats don’t begin to quantify his contributions. I wonder how many hockey assists he’d have if they kept such stats?

Green is obviously making the HOF. Not even sure how that is a controversial thing to say anymore.

And yeah, it's true he couldn't be option #1 or #2 offensively on a good team. But why does that matter at all or have any bearing on this topic?

Is Andre Iguodala a hall of famer? He has a better overall body of work than Draymond, he has led a team before which is something most people think Draymond can do and he has the championships and a finals mvp award. If Draymond is going to the hall of fame, why shouldn't Iggy?
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So if he's in, Andre has to make it too right?
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The multiple all-star appearances, DPOY awards, and Olympic gold medals might help.

He'll likely miss out, but you're right, the Warriors do have 4 HOFers and one other one that you could at least make the argument for. It's amazing that LeBron even took a game off them last year.

Andre has been an all star, he's made the all defense team. He's led his own team. He's been a finals MVP. He has multiple rings. He has an Olympic medal.

Even if their accolades aren't exactly the same, they still have a lot of similarities so if one goes in, the other has to go in. The big difference is that at one point in Iggy's career, he was the first option on a team, Draymond will never be that. Imagine prime Iggy on the Warriors and he's far better than current Draymond. Imagine Draymond on the sixers teams Iggy had and he's a forgotten player in the NBA history books.
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Well one thing we do know is that Miami had 4 sure fire HOFers on their title teams.

Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving are hall of famers. So that's 3 vs 4. And LeBron being as great as it is, the gaps even closer. So it's a shame he could only take 1 game off them if you want to play that game.
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And they lost to what might be the worst team to ever win an NBA title in the Mavs.

Lebron averaged a whopping 17 ppg in that series.

Draymond Green:
2× NBA champion (2015, 2017)
3× NBA All-Star (2016–2018)
All-NBA Second Team (2016)
All-NBA Third Team (2017)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2017)
3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2015–2017)
NBA steals leader (2017)
NABC National Player of the Year (2012)
Consensus first-team All-American (2012)
Big Ten Player of the Year (2012)
First-team All-Big Ten (2012)
2× Third-team All-Big Ten (2010, 2011)
Big Ten All-Defensive Team (2012)
Big Ten Sixth Man of the Year (2010)
Big Ten Tournament MVP (2012)
Fourth-team Parade All-American (2008)

Andre Iguodala:

2× NBA champion (2015, 2017)
NBA Finals MVP (2015)
NBA All-Star (2012)
NBA All-Defensive First Team (2014)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2011)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2005)
NBA Rookie Challenge MVP (2006)
First-team All-Pac-10 (2004)

Bit of a difference here especially when you consider one of these guys has his whole career ahead of him still.

If Boogie didn't get hurt, New Orleans would be scary as hell. And Rondo would average 20 assists every game in the playoffs.
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I'll take the extra Hall of Fame player Green + fringe Hall of Fame player Iguodala over Tristan Thompson. LMAO

Lmao @ including college accolades. Especially the big 10 accolades. And you say that Draymond still has a whole career ahead of him...do you think he'll get better? He's already peaked in 2016. You think he'll get better or worse from now on?
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So that's the difference in only winning 1 game? And the Cavs maybe could have had a better player in place of Thompson if you know who didn't force them into signing him for a big contract. But you never want to have that discussion...
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Evidently Iguodala is still a "fringe hof player" right now

Curry and KD are HOFers, Draymond Green is a borderline HOFer.

Basketball HOF counts college resume how do you think some of these guys even get in

Sure but they don't punish a player for not having as many college accolades because that gives an unfair advantage to players who did 4 years instead of 1 or 2.
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Cleveland trying for one of the biggest flops in playoff history.

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LeBron a bigger man than me. Those guys around him are trash.

Was he asked about his team mates first? If not he pretty much blamed them by making that comment

Lebron had 3 points in the final 3 minutes

Very "GOAT" like

It's weird actually rooting against LeBron for the first time in the playoffs in a decade. Now that team around him is so weak that they might actually lose to the Raptors in the 2nd round, but I'd rather not chance it.

We at least now know Kyrie was piggy backing the Cavs.

GM Lebron has to wear that Thompson contract.

He'll be long gone in 3 months anyway, so not really.

How good is Ben Simmons? Top 25 player in the league? I'd say he is pretty close.

Nick Wright in here to turn a loss into a way to suck Lebron’s dick

All I know is Johnny Jones must be the worst coach in the history of basketball.

He had simmons at the wrong position.

Yeah he is.

Off the cuff without seeing who's entirely in front of him I'm thinking he might already be top 15 ish if not higher.

He might be, after giving it some thought. Borderline.

Yeah the coach he handpicked and teammates he handpicked aren't doing the best.
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Funny how every player wants to play worth LeBron and how he makes his teammates so much better yet every season the same people are talking about how trash his teammates are.
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He's closer to 10 than 25.
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The funny this is they showed a clip where they asked if he had enough help and he said some sh*t like "we just have to go out and play".

If you aren’t trying to throw your teammates under the bus, why not answer the question?

As well as propping up who beat Lebron as an insurmountable team of unbeatable HOF guys.

They're a 72 win team who added the #2 player in the NBA. Doesn't take too much "propping up" to refer to them as what they are.

It's a shame some of you can't recognize and respect the greatest athlete of our time while he's still around and playing at an elite level.

I tend to agree with you regarding bron being the best ever, but it’s not a good look if the best ever can’t lead his crew past the nobody pacers.

Of course it isn’t. KCC aka Nick Wright won’t acknowledge that though. He also won’t acknowledge Lebron’s lazy defense hasn’t helped.

https://mobile.twitter.com/barstools...01296168120320

The GOAT on defense.

Why are people from the Midwest obsessed with "hustle"? We're talking about the fattest region in the nation.

LeBron may be the best athlete ever in the NBA but his will to win doesn't come close to Jordan.

Just one of the reasons he will remain in the 2nd tier with Bird and Magic when discussing the GOAT. Also 1 if the many reasons why he isnt a likable figure.

Wut? The site is based in New York. What does the Midwest have to do with Lebrons pathetic effort at times?

Larry was apparently the GOAT when it came to trash talking though.

I assume they’ll still win but if they do lose I think it’s safe to say it has way more to do with his awful teammates than the guy posting ridiculously high efficiency triple doubles every game (who has led every other team this decade he’s played on to the NBA Finals). He’s not the problem here.

Sorry. Still triggered by the Chiefsplanet Peters discussions

Who brought those teammates in? Tristan Thompson may be on the worst contact in NBA history, and LeBron James was a big part of why that happened.

Oladipo sure does have a great team around him.

I get saying Lebron neeeds more help to beat GS, but the Pacers? What a ****ing joke.

Cavs cratered with all the Kyrie drama.

Lebron playing at an elite level and they still struggle to win. Supporting cast is a joke

The fact that the Pacers actually do have a better supporting cast around Oladipo than LeBron does on the Cavs really says it all.

But they told me Rodney Hood and Jordan Clarkson were difference makers.

How did they get that way?

Lebron needs more help. The last time he left a supeteam it was meant to fair bettter than only joining two alll nba players.

Never understood why Orlando traded Oladipo for frickin Serge Ibaka. Only to get rid of Ibaka that same season. Talk about a franchise in the gutter.

How did who get what way? Hood and Clarkson are bad because they're bad and have always been bad.

Worst run organization in the NBA. Doesn't say much for Toronto, though, that they also traded for Serge Ibaka (who is terrible) and then re-signed him.

Clarkson has played worse in cle despite his FG% being up.

Lebron, what are you doing to your teammates? Jordan made his better, not worse.

Great job Philly now up 3-1

If not for a bad 2nd quarter in game 2, Philly would have the sweep.

Yup. That was one of the worst quarters I have ever seen in an NBA game

Funny how nobody thought they were bad players until they started playing in Cleveland. They were both good offensive players that can create for themselves. But they're forced to play LeBron ball and just wait for a kickout like every other LeBron teammate.

Thats not even mentioning the fact that lebrons handpicked coach can't coach to save his life.
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So Paul George isn't going to LA with his OKC contract. So that means Lebron ain't going there.

If he's not going there, does he just stay in Cleveland? How the hell do they give him help? They would have to do some serious money-shifting in order to afford a decent free agent for Lebron to play with. I guess they do still have the Nets' 1st rounder, which may help, even if they just use it to clear cash from Tristan Thompson's deal.

Actually, I was in here referring to them as scrubs from day 1 of the trade. All they did was transfer out their older injured scrubs in the deal for younger scrubs.

Houston or Philly seems more likely at this point.

AD is just awesome. Congrats Pelicans for sweeping Portland but probably will get swept by GS

Did I miss PG signing with OKC?

Woah, I think I just made that up. I could have sworn I heard he re-signed with OKC, but I guess I'm wrong.

Houston getting blown out by this TWolves team is soft. I might have to revise my pick to Warriors in 5 again.

Swept? Have you seen them play?! They've beaten GS at GS