No, he isn't the GOAT. He is the most successful QB ever at this point, largely aided by cheating in his early years, the worst **** job ever in a playoff game to start it all off, and a league geared towards putting skirts on QBs. I'll still take Montana if you give me any one QB to win a big game, especially with today's rules.

Tom Brady is playing for his sixth SB title.
There were six infinity stones... #thinkaboutit

I think Brady is in the argument. Unitas, Bart Starr (if you buy into the Title argument), Otto Graham, Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman are all there too, but it's really hard to compare.

Just what is needed a Patriots fan to lecture us Chiefs fans about how to act and what we did wrong. I feel so much better now that Pats brilliance has blessed us with their presence. One of the reasons I wanted the Chiefs to win is so I wouldn't have to hear the word GOAT for the eleventeened billion time this month.

Exactly. They act like somehow we have some sort of business relationship and we are obligated to bow down to their greatness.

We don’t owe you anything. We have no contracts. We’re fans.

Now if you want to sign the contact and get in the ring - Rufus will choke you out!

#NUKEBOSTON

pfffft.

We beat that team. Even with our crappy defense.

Brady lost that game on his 3rd int.

You won a coin toss.

It's truly amazing though to think that the luck you mentioned here \just always seems to come down on the Pats side. Yes, they beat us in the first half, no two ways about it. But when the time for a lucky bounce (or penalty) needs to go our way, it naturally goes the Pats way. They needed luck more than we did basically. And they got it.

It's disgusting that they all feel so superior because they were lucky.

One must respect amnorix's bravery in this thread.

We will all be eagerly waiting for Assnorix's 10,000 word sermon when Mahomes and the Chiefs are destroying the Brian Hoyer/"Insert Another Stop Gap QB Veteran Name" led Faketriots after Brady retires (which could be as soon as a few weeks if the Faketriots win the Super Bowl).

Assnorix is desperately trying to prove that he is different than the other Faketriot trolls who have infested this board during the past few weeks so make your pledge now... guarantee that you will be back here to post another 10,000 word sermon when Brady retires and the Chiefs inevitably destroy the Faketriots.

Also since you felt the need to lecture Chiefs fans, please explain the grace and class displayed by Faketriots fans in the photo enclosed below:

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Really? Kelce never had control of that catch and it wouldn't have been ruled a fumble...

No doubt... There were 7 Patriot fans in my section, sitting together, all wearing Nebraska Cornhusker stocking caps... I guess in about 5 years we will have to deal with this as teams latch on to the Chiefs success. I still give some of my friends shit that became Pittsburgh fans in the 70's and 80's and had never been within 3 states from Pennsylvania...

Why can't you downvote and hide a thread?

...eagerly awaits more boston people to die because of pancake syrup

I pray the 31 other teams put together a pool of money to pay the player who breaks Tom's legs if he chooses to come back next year.

And if they Rams want any chance of winning the SB, they'll do exactly that, early in the first quarter. Take the official's bias toward him and all things "Pats" out of the game early, and the best way to do that is to take Tom out of the game.

Even if that's terrible of me to say, you all know it's correct. Tom WILL get his calls, right on cue, and I think the officials know that the Rams can't be gifted anything.

This is ALL TRUE!

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Let me guess?

Condescending pat on the head thread is condescending

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Perfectly stated. Agree with you 100 percent on all points.

This is truly how we #MakeAmericaGreatAgain.

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Just like their luck when Carroll decided to go full whack job throwing the ball on the 2yd line when their was 20 sec left and 1 time out after just watching Lynch give the Pats a rushing beatdown for 70yds only to get it picked.:rolleyes:

Simple logic fail to think that because the rules have changed no p,ayer who p,ayed afterthe rule change can POSSIBLY be better than those from before the rule change. I watched plenty of Montana and more of Marino and Elway than i care to remember. Never saw Unitas or Starr or Otto ****ing Graham, but most dont put them number one anyway.

But obviouslt everyone has their own opinion on the goat question and you’re entitled to yours, no matter how wrong it is. :D

Simple failure to understand that, first, the patriots won/loss record outside the division is the same as that inside the division and, second, that the NFL schedule, including home/away games, is pre-set years in advance pursuant to a formula. Ignorant poster is ignorant.

It would be a damn fine start.

Tuck rule was a stupid rule, but a rule. Sorry you (a raiders fan) got screwed by it, bit that doesnt make it the wrong call.

Montana is my number two, so sure, go with him if you like.

Amnorix, why are you here? I'm not being a smart ass, I truly want to understand this.

If the Chiefs win a Super Bowl/AFCCG, the last thing on my mind is to go post on the losing team's fan board. I don't get it.

Are you trying to make yourself feel better? us feel better? worse? it doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe it's boredom as you're tired of the Patriot's boards where all you do is pat each other on the back saying how great your team is? Something else I haven't mentioned?

Please elaborate on your reasoning.

If you're going to mention Elway, you need to mention Chris Chandler and Jeff Blake since they were better than him.

I will never respect any Patriots fan for any reason.

I would love to see Brady get tossed in a time machine and have to play a game against the '85 Bears or '91 Eagles with those defensive rules.

Amnorix is one of us. He's been here for eons, so I don't have any issue with him at all. And having seen the knuckledragging Patriots pseudofans who showed up to drool on my screen last week, I completely understand why a literate and thoughtful Patriots fan would choose to hang out with us.

I hear you. It's just a foreign concept for me to want to "hang out" with other teams fans on their fan boards, win/lose/tie/whatever.

That's all I'm trying to understand...

Yeah! Insults. Using generalizations and disregarding the merit of my comment.

The AFC LEAST is warmed up dog poo.

I’m not a Chiefs fan. I came here after Herm got hired just for shits and giggles. And as listopencil told me after I was here a while “now you’re trapped here like the rest of us”.

This place is very unique. I don’t even post on any other boards. And it’s docile now compared to when I came here or when amnorix came here. Lol you got hazed by skip towne and some others. And if you didn’t have thick skin you wouldn’t last long.

Just my 2 cents as a non Chiefs fan

So why are you here? You’ve been registered less than 25 days and on your 13th post you’re calling out decade + members?

That’s what I don’t understand.

Everyone who saw the replay knows that the RTP was bogus. I've heard it explained that the official who called it had a bad angle. Still, those calls happen every single game. Pats fans still aren't over Eli being clearly "in the grasp" or the never before seen intentional grounding 40 yards down the middle of the field.

NE gets their fair share of crap calls each year, but they are magnified because it's the Patriots, who are so deep in most teams' heads, that scandals need to be invented to explain their success.

Deflategate? Tires, basketballs, and footballs lose pressure in cold weather. It's a fact. Don't forget that the Colts' footballs were also below the legal psi level too! Yes, the were and you can easily look it up. Don't bother with the "phone" or "deflator" crap either. Brady was explicitly told the phone wasn't needed since Wells had already collected nearly 15k texts and emails. Wells even praised Brady for his level of cooperation. "Deflator" was used exactly ONE TIME in 15k communications and even that was used in the previous season in jest.

Spygate? It wasn't even a rule at the time! NE wasn't dinged for filming because filming has NEVER been against the rules. It was the location of the camera. Goodell tried to create a new rule with a memo which is not allowed.

Taping walkthroughs? The hack who wrote that apologized for making the story up. His paper dedicated the entire front page for an apology.

Why do you think that not one single former player or coach has ever mentioned cheating?

I've held my tongue through all this nonsense and this will be my only post here. Most Chiefs fans know that they lost fair and square. It was a great game. Pats fans know Brady is nearing the end of his career. 1 - 3 years left. Then the most amazing run in sports history will gradually fade. Not drop off a cliff.

PM is just starting out and KC should have a great future ahead of them. Right now, people like KC because they haven't had much success in so long. People always hate sustained excellence and make excuses. Yankees, Montreal Canadiens, Chicago Bulls, Buffalo Bills, etc...

Just to be sure, get rid of Reid! You'll never win with him... Enjoy the next few years!

I'm out.....

Finally! A thread worse than watching paint dry!

I was telling my wife...Brady playing against Bruce Smith and Reggie White?

ROFL

I moved to Chicago during the second Bulls Championship run. Then Mike left/retired. Bulls haven't won crap since. You sound like Bulls fans USED to sound. Enjoy it while you can. Dynasties run in cycles. Brady's run in a Patriots uniform isn't close to Bill Russells' run in a Celtics uniform. I don't even consider this Pats team a dynasty. To many big losse, to many rule changes(tuck rule, Brady can't be touched), Spygate, deflate gate.... Joe Montana is still the GOAT. No Superbowl losses in an era in which you were allowed to CREAM the QB. Brady couldn't played NFL QB in the 80's-90's.

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He's been here a while, unlike you. And unlike ****ing Pats boards we don't ban people for being different. That's like racist 'n shit, being racist is a "coast people" thing.

Jack Lambert... Ed Jones... Any 80's LB on bad horse sauce....

I think the key difference is that we're so interesting and well-rounded around here. We know football, of course, but we know cooking and cars and pornography and pets and antifreeze and music and politics and conspiracy theories and pretty much everything else.

ROFL

I'd also like to add that I don't think Brady's durability is all that impressive when so many QBs are now durable.

How many games has Eli Manning missed? Rivers? Brees? What about Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, or Matt Ryan?

I love watching Mahomes play, the offense just shocks to the system knowing at any point it can explode.

My issue is that the Chiefs turn into the Ravens, a great coach, QB you can relay on but a salary cap that doesn't allow much room because your QB is eating up 25% of it.

What the Pat's have with Brady is unique, also his women makes more then him so it makes his decision that much better.

Andy better pull through as this team has a life span of 2 years before Mahomes gets paid. If Andy cant find a way to win before that, I can see him gone.

It’s womAn, yo.

Unless his daughter or mistress also pulls in more than him.

Why not? Brady has missed precisely ZERO games due to injury other than his ACL year, and quite a few of those games came before many of the changes that have reduced hard hits in the game.

Brady is clearly one of the toughest QBs to play, perfectly willing to hang in the pocket and take hits to deliver the ball. I don't see a goddamn thing that makes him less tough than Marino was in his day (a similar style QB). I'm not old enough to compare him to a Bradshaw or Unitas or whatever, but WTF is the point of such comparisons anyway?

I'm old enough to have watched all of the Bird era Celtics, and then watch them fall into oblivion for over a decade, and old enough to have seen MANY years of the "Curse of the Bambino" Red Sox, including Bill Buckner through the legs. I know that this era will end, and I will never see a Patriots team this good for this long again. Hell, I will likely never see the Patriots win another SB again after BB/Brady retire. I'm ok with it, though, as this run has been far more than I ever could have hoped for. But yeah, perspective -- I have it, believe it. I'm not so young...

Perhaps, but Bill Russell is the greatest winner in team sports history, with 14 championships in 15 years. 11 NBA, 2 college and a Gold Medal. NOBODY will ever duplicate that, I suspect.

Comedy gold then. The Patriots have set the following records during this run:

1. Most appearances in the Super Bowl by any NFL Team ever (BB/Brady are going to their 9th. No other TEAM in their entire history has been to more than 8).

2. Most wins in a decade.

3. Most wins over 2 decades

4. Most conference championships in a decade, or 2 decades.

5. Most conference championship appearances.

6. Most conference championship appearances in a row.

7. Most playoff wins

8. Most Super Bowl appearances.

9. Most Super Bowl victories during a single dynasty period (tied)

If that's not a dynasty, there is no dynasty. As for the scandals, spare me. The relentless winning prove how utterly absurd the NFL was in inventing scandals to dethrone the Patriots.

Joe MOntana went 4-0 in SBs in an era where the AFC SUCKED. The AFC lost like 14 SBs in a row to NFC teams! He lost in the NFCCG 49-3 once, and was one and done three times in a row. In your formula, it would be BETTER for Montana to get smoked 49-3 in the NFCCG than to win that game and then lose in the Super Bowl. That makes sense to you?

I watched TONS of football in the 80s and 90s. There is no reason at all to suggest that Brady isn't as tough as Drew ****ing Bledsoe and Dan Marino and Dan Fouts and Phil Simms and the other statue QBs of that era. Literally nothing. He's taken all the hits and gotten back up to keep crushing teams, time and time again. It's a joke to suggest he isn't tough.

Let me ask this -- Mahomes career resume is BETTER because he lost last Sunday than if he had won, willing his team to over 30 points in the second half, and then lost in the SB? That right?

Your answers as to why Brady wouldn't have lasted as long exist right here...

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Brady wouldn't survive that.

It is hilarious watching Assnorix hysterically trying to convince everyone (also himself?) about the supposed greatness of the Faketriots dynasty.

No one cares.

Your first video is irrelevant. Brady isn't ****ing rolling out and running down the sideline like a dumbass.

Your second video is Joe Ferguson getting blasted by one of the best defenses ever, the '85 Bears. Brady isn't holding the ball for five seconds and running around back there like Ferguson was. If you don't understand that, you don't understand football, or Brady, or the Patriots.

Dan Marino was 6'4" and 225 lbs and was a complete statue with AMAZING footwork, and "feel" in the pocket.

Tom Brady is, cough, 6'4" and 225 lbs and is a complete statue with AMAZING footwork and "feel" in the pocket.

If you can begin to explain to me why you think Brady would've taken more of a pounding than Marino did and/or not have taken it as well as Marino did, then I'm all ears. But you can't because it's stupid "back in the day...up a hill....both ways...." nonsense.

They have 5 SB wins. Chiefs have 1 from 50 years ago. Jealous much dude? Chiefs lost. End of story. Season was a waste.

sounds legit.

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Brady missed one season since 2001. Other than that he never miss a game

I understand. Too many words. Maybe this is better.

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I think they also have more cheating scandals and forfeited draft picks than all 122 other professional franchises.

And the most prolific murderer, I believe. Can't forget the murderer.

That's pretty impressive though.

You're right.
Other than when he's suspended

Kid won science fair by proving Brady is a cheater.

How did you come up with the idea for your science fair project?

Because I hate Tom Brady, he’s been accused of cheating before, I want him to be caught.

He also said that he thinks Joe Montana is the greatest quarterback of all time, and knows exactly what he’d say to Brady if he ever met him.

If you could share a message with Tom Brady what would you say to him?

Gimme some of your money, you don’t deserve it

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Nitpick: The 49-3 game was not the championship. It was the divisional game.

The AFC did not suck in the '80s. The NFC was simply epic. The 49ers, Redskins, Giants, and Bears were all good enough to have dynasties except that they all existed at the same time. See, in the days before the salary cap, there were a few teams that were wicked good. Unlike this era where we have a bunch of mediocre teams and no really good teams.

I suggest you go watch the 1990 NFCCG between the Giants and 49ers. Brady and the Patriots would have gotten their asses handed to them by either of those defenses.

Everybody outside of New England knows the Patriots are a fake dynasty because their success is built on freakish luck.

Super Bowl #1 - Patriots lost in the divisional game but the refs selectively enforced an obscure, questionable rule. NFL history and physics say that was a fumble.

Super Bowls #4 and #5 - Patriots should have lost except for last minute meltdowns by opposing offensive coordinators. Seahawks and Falcons call running plays and Patriots lose both games.

Patriots also choked away their perfect season.

Brady's record in the Super Bowl should be 2-5. Not the GOAT.

The Bills might not agree.

They win on both sides of the coin

Most likely cuz his dad hates Brady and the Patriots. :D

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Prolific as in quantity not notoriety

Hot damn, how insecure can you be?

obviously, it's off the rails.

grow up, dude, this is no different than the asshole trolls who showed up.

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He had his defense and a made up "tuck rule" carry him his first few seasons.

It's just a matter of time for Patrick Mahomes II to become the GOAT. Everybody in the country knows this except Patriot fans.

God I hope the Rams win next week

And when Brady retires and your immediate future is Brian Hoyer at QB you will no longer post on here.

You have already confirmed that.

I did? When?

I joined before the Patriots were a dynasty. Heck, they were coming off a 9-7 season (2002) after winning the 2001 SB. What makes you think I'm only here because the Patriots have been good?

Your join date of 2003 was during the Brady/Belichick era after they had already won a Super Bowl.

You need to show up and post here with the same hubris that you do now (i.e. posting a rambling 10,000 word sermon reeking of Faketriot Way diarrhea), when Brady retires and your immediate future is Brian Hoyer.

Until then the jury is out.

I think I'm going to make an Account on Pats Planet in case they do.

Those terrorist loving ****s!

Your post is bizarre. I'll be sure to keep it in mind that my internet surfing/posting habits are subject to your review and approval at all times.

WTF is wrong with you?

You don't know history? DUDE, seriously.

Let's see, a jury here in Massachusetts sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to ****ing death. That seems pretty contrary to your point, and I'm not aware of any history that shows we are "terrorist loving ****s."

Patriots fan here who strongly disagrees with you on Brady's performance. I would rate his performance an A and it was still a strong performance before 4th quarter. It would have been an A+ without that end zone pick that probably cost the Patriots 3 points.

I think folks are wrong in thinking Brady had anything less than one of his better games throwing the ball vs the Chiefs in terms of throwing accuracy. Some times excellent accuracy given the circumstances can still lead to INTs when the QB is making super quick decisions most of the time.

30-46 is pretty darn good considering many pass attempts were intermediate range, several short passes contested and a few long passes thrown in there.

Let's dig into numbers deeper.

1) At least 6 catchable passes were dropped(Hogan, Gronk, White, Edelman, Patterson twice) but at least one of those(Patterson) was highly contested so I credit Chiefs D.
2) At least one pass batted down at line of scrimmage.
3) At least 5 passes were actually intentional throw aways like on the flea flicker to avoid sacks/fumbles since a pass rushers had beaten his man or wide receivers all covered. With his peripheral vision, Brady was great at recognizing when his offensive lineman were beat and he just threw it away where he couldn't be flagged for intentional grounding but no one could catch it.
4) The first Brady INT was probably thrown exactly where he wanted to throw the ball but the Chiefs defender played it smart and Brady thought he had fallen for the run. The zero sacks stat very misleading....Chiefs pass rush was excellent throughout most of the game. That actually didn't let them down. I do think they got gashed a little too much at times vs the run to open the game but they adjusted and even played the run better.

On the other hand, that Hogan one handed catch was such a great catch that I think of it as an incompletion/inaccurate throw since normally that is an incompletion. Given KC challenged most -- not all -- short passes to the backs, I think the notion that Brady was inaccurate is just way off base.

Adding this all up, I think Brady only threw around 4 passes or so in the entire game that didn't go where he intended them to go.

Chiefs offense let them down a little bit in first half in my opinion. Given it is Mahomes first post season, I gotta blame Reid for not anticipating what the Patriots were going to do defensively and coming up with plays more likely to get first downs. Chiefs should have had 7 points at half without Mahomes overthrow and I just don't see that as a good enough first half offensively for them given they were at home.

Other than 5-6 plays, Chiefs defense was very good vs the Patriots until OT -- this is taking into account how accurate Brady was and potency of New England offense. It is fair to say, they forced 3 turnovers. 2 Brady picks and 1 4th down stop. Even though the Edelman ball was tipped and should have been caught by Edelman, Chiefs defense overall contested enough short throws that it was likely for one of them to be tipped and intercepted sooner or later. Easy to see why it is so hard to normally put up 30+ point in Arrowhead.

The Chiefs were a little lucky that they didn't have a turnover themselves on a Mahomes fumble(which he did), interception etc.

Due to a lot of respect for Chiefs pass rush, Brady was getting rid of the ball quick. If he saw the rush was coming from his peripheral vision sooner than normal, he got rid of it even quicker. I would have moved up the safeties and risked a huge 35 yard gain of Edelman going deep or even a game ending touchdown to an outside receiver rather than allowed the Patriots to methodically march up the field in OT.

Going into the game, if Reid was told Patriots offense would get tons of yards but trick Brady once into a goal line interception, defend well enough to get an interception off of a tipped ball and almost get one more and stop them on 4th down once, I think he would have taken it. Brilliant passing by Brady on third down saved the Patriots. Chiefs capitalizing on all of their scoring chances but one is what kept the game close.

So I think everyone is getting this narrative of this particular game a little wrong. Chiefs offense play design/execution hurt them in the first half. And I think Reid made a mistake calling timeout when Patriots had it I believe 3rd and 5. If they had it 3rd and 10, it makes sense to take that gamble but with 3rd and 5, I would have been happy to go into halftime losing 7-0. And make adjustments.

As for the refs, besides the pick play, I thought KC got away with many holds vs Patriots receivers and a pass interference vs Dorsett -- who scored anyways -- that should have been called and that were more egregious than what Patriots called for. On the other hand, the roughing the passer seemed like a bad call.

I do think Kareem Hunt could have made a serious difference in this game for KC so they may want to pick up another running back like him. His replacement did very well but Chiefs could have used Hunt to take pressure off of their long range passing game.

Chiefs have a great shot to win Super Bowl over the next 2 years before Mahomes gets a market rate contract so it will be interesting to see the moves they make.

I'm also a Patriots fan. If Brady's performance in that game was an A, what was it in last year's Super Bowl?

The two picks (including the Ford offsides pick) other than the EZ one were off receiver's hands, but they were just not great throws. The EZ pick was flat ****ing horrible. Throw it a little higher/deeper and he's got Gronk. He clearly didn't see the guy who picked it off.

His play in OT was an A. Before that -- not remotely close.

No. Just...no. Those two throws off Edelman's and, especially, Gronk's (thank god for offsides) were not great. They weren't ridiculously bad, but they weren't great.

The game was over 60 minutes long. The last, whatever, five minutes he earned an A. Before that, I very much doubt he'd score it an A himself, nor would BB. I didn't think his ball placement was good, and he had too many seriously bad plays -- especially where he usually had a clean pocket.