Um, Alex Smith led the NFL in passer rating the year he got a truly elite WR when Tyreek Hill developed in his second year.

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If the Chicago Bears drafted Mahomes, they would have won a Superbowl by now. Mahomes is the best QB I have ever seen.

Mahome's will move into statistical greatness soon....
 

Check this shit out...

Here is a list of the all time best in TD to INT ratio:
https://www.footballdb.com/leaders/c...ing-tdintratio

Check this out... Mahomes' TD to INT ratio:
https://www.nfl.com/players/patrick-...s/stats/career

You will have to do the math, or peek into the spoiler ;)



****ing amazing...

Not only that, in 27 pass attempts he will be eligible for the first list. Remember some guys got more game time than Pat his first year too.

:thumb:

More like 8 years, but i get your point.

ESPN hasn’t given up on Russell Wilson yet.

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Mahomes was electric when passing and running today. He was a highlight reel.

Plus he drew them offsides 4 times with his voice.

MVP!

WORDS!

Because Mahomes

Yup. Mahomes is runaway MVP right now, but Rodgers belongs in the conversation.

Wilson will need an insane end of season plus both Mahomes and Rodgers collapsing to win this one. He Drew Brees-ed himself out of the discussion.

Mahomes got more yards speaking today than the broncos did passing.

PM deserves it. There’s literally no one else who’s doing any better.

He Cracked the Code!
 

I think PM stands for "Perfect Man" :thumb:

It’s gonna come down to him and A Rod

ROFL

Funny and True!

"The two-time MVP, two-time Super Bowl champion Patrick Mahomes" has a nice ring to it. Looking forward to hearing him referred to in this way

Aaron Donald

I don't see how Brees could be back. Not with 11 cracked or broken ribs and a collapsed lung. I would assume they would almost have to go with Winston over Hill at that point. Hill's not going to be able to keep up with Mahomes.

Am I seeing this wrong or could Patrick hit 5,000 yds again? ESPN says he’s over 3,300 yds, and that he’s thrown for nearly 1,500 in just the last 3 games? I think their stat leaderboard hasn’t updated yet so not sure I’ve got the totals right?

He's at basically 3500 yds (3497), so he's on pace for 5090 yds 44 TDs and 2 or 3 ints. He does that and we get home field or the 2 spot, then there is no way he's not getting that MVP.

Last 4 games he's at 1600 yds and 14 TDs. That is a place of 6400 yds and 56 TDs.

Damn. That's ****ing nuts. Yeah I could see him finishing with around 5200 yards 45-48 touchdowns and 4 picks. He'll also have around 300-350 yards rushing and probably 3 rushing touchdowns. Do that and he's easily the MVP.

When was the last time you saw the top two in receiving yards on the same team?

I am truly grateful that PM plays for the chiefs.

I cannot believe the Chiefs drafted the very best QB that I’ve ever seen play the game. I never thought that day would be here.

We actually went from QB’s that would stare down receivers, to one that came up with no look passes. He has really changed the game.

In only 11 games, Mahomes has basically tied his 2018 season already in Points Added Above the Average QB. He’s on pace to break Tom Brady’s 2007 record of 96 PAA. Even though Aaron Rodgers is having a MVP quality season, he is pretty far behind Mahomes in this PAA stat. Mahomes on pace for 104 PAA and Rodgers on pace for 78 PAA.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/view/...qbpaa/dir/desc

I literally rubbed my eyes after I saw Pat's current season stats. I had to grab my phone and make sure of the math. All he has to do is average 300.5 yards/game, throw his season average for TDs/game, and not throw more than say, 4 more picks, and he's going to throw for 5,000 yards for the second time in three seasons, 43-46 TDs, and be a lock for MVP.

That's just insane. I remember after 2018 positing the crazy idea that 5,000 yards and 45 TDs just might be Patrick's 'average.' I was half-kidding at the time, but he's actually doing it now.

And what's really nutz is that there's still room for significant improvement. He could clean up a few things and then who knows? 5,600 yards and 60 TDs? 6,000 yards and 70 TDs? How many TD passes has he missed just this season? 3? 4? I think I remember 5?

Who is this guy?

Christ. Undiscovered country. Right here in our faces.

I honestly don't remember. Maybe back in the day when the Vikings had Carter and Moss?

I’ve heard several talking heads start pumping up Derrick Henry for consideration.

They keep adding dudes when it’s really down to a 2 man race.

Brees has 11 cracked or broken ribs? What exactly happened? Did a piano fall on him?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m not sure we&#39;ve ever seen a trio like Patrick Mahomes, Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce. Here&#39;s how those three rank statistically this season:<br><br>Mahomes: No. 1 in passing yards, No. 2 in TDs<br><br>Hill: No. 1 in rec TDs and No. 1 in rec yards<br><br>Kelce: No. 2 in rec yards, No. 10 in TDs</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1333435767889293318?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

On that note, I had no idea that people have 24 ribs. I would've guessed 12 or 14, maybe 16 tops. I'm much more solid than I thought.

Didn’t we have a 1,000 yard WR, TE, and RB a few years back? I think we were only like the second team ever to have that.

CEH has a decent shot at 1,000 rushing yards still, so that’s possible again this year.

Edit: we were the 5th team ever to have that with Hunt, Kelce, and Hill.

I wish Patrick would overwhelm my MVP (Mighty Veiny Penis)!!!!!!!!!!!

I know Chris Jones. You sir are no Chris Jones. :p

I think Steve Mariuci said it was San Diego with Fouts throwing to Joyner and Winslow, in 1980. Maybe I got the receiver wrong, but I am pretty sure on the rest.

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Mahomes needs to average just over 300 passing yards a game to hit 5,000 again. 4 TD's a game to hit 50.

I think he can do it.

Taylor and Rice or maybe the Marks Brothers with Marino throwing to them?

I would love to see a couple of off the charts games for TD passes. Like another 5 TD game or two.

And hopefully the Bucs game will convince EB and Andy to stop freaking letting up and going into a shell.

IDGAF what anyone says, unless they agree with me of course, that our offensive play calling gets conservative and unimaginative when we have a 2 score lead. It's one of the most frustrating, and nonsensical things about Andy Reid as a play caller.

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I agree. We left a lot of meat on the bone yesterday- starting with the opening drive. Then the unblocked sack-fumble, then the missed TD to Hardman.

The Offense has not even played their best football yet.

Happens all the time and it’s the main thing holding this team back from being truly dominant. Mahomes is capable of even more than they allow him to be/do. He could literally break the game if they let him.

To think Mahomes had 3 shitty weather games too.

I feel like Andy doesn't want to put stuff on tape when we have a 2 score lead. But, I have heard some great coaches, Marty and Jimmy Johnson to name a couple, say that if you execute correctly, it doesn't matter if the other team knows what play you are running.

I get why Andy would not want to give anything away, but we have the best WR (IMHO) and the best TE in the league, and the best QB in the world, with a lot of very good supporting skill players.

We should just be doing what we do, and not worrying about what other teams could glean from watching game film.

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Yeah, he only threw 26 passes in the Bills game. Not counting scrambles by Mahomes, we ran the ball 36 times that game.

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He won’t make it to 50 TD passes. That 2nd Raiders game is a good example. He led them to 5 TD drives, but only got 2 TD passes. They were able to run it for 3 TD’s. I just want to see him get to 40 TD with no more turnovers the rest of the season.

Marty is the LAST person you should quote on the subject.

He was the master at taking his foot off the gas. How many times did we see him SAY that the prevent defense "prevents you from winning" only to employ a prevent defense and piss away a game?

As for the idea of "doing what we do" and not worrying about tape, some of those plays were the difference between winning and losing.

You're VASTLY overstating the effectiveness of this offense. They're great but they're not superhuman. Winning is ALL that matters. Period.

He broke Marino's record.

The only other accomplishment that we need this year is a SB victory. No other stat matters.

I’d like him to get the MVP along the way to another ring. He’s playing at MVP level so far and hopefully can finish strong in the last 5 games to seal it.

Honestly, I think he's got the MVP wrapped up.

It's between him and Rodgers and one of them is going to stumble along the way. Pat has literally never stumbled in any meaningful way.

I think he wins the regular season MVP by default almost.

PM is a rising star in the making. He is making history as a Chiefs QB, and in the history of the NFL. He is becoming one of the greats of the game.

So, did you recently wake up from a coma?



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Rodgers probably does not have as much sentimental support from voters compared to Brees in 2018 or Wilson this year. But Aaron does have the “old guy” angle helping him with voters. Mahomes will need to play very well down the stretch to hold off Rodgers IMHO.

Chiefsfanatic, no I just didn't come out of any coma, i'm just saying that PM is having a sensational start to his career with the Chiefs. Yes its all fun, and enjoyable to watch, but let's give him several more years and see what his stats are among others. He is young, mobile, and definetly talented. But if he should become off key or slipping in his playing ability, then he will have lost his status. and fall in with other past QB's who started out high, and fell from grace. Im not saying he will fall , but lets enjoy it while it lasts.

He should, but he may not. And I don't really care. I mean, LeBron should have won far more MVPs than he did, but the media is in it to make headlines, so it is what it is.

You act as if PM is a qb that In in his mid to late 30s. Enjoy it while it lasts?

You've got this wrong way around. PM is getting more and more dangerous with each season. Its one thing to get by on pure physical ability, but Mahomes has the mind.

We just saw against the bucs, he no more than breaks the huddle, and he's instantly yelling COVER ZERO COVER ZERO!

Instantly recognizing the defense and a second after the ball is snapped, the ball is in flight to hill.

This kid is razor sharp mentally already, and getting better each week. When you give a guy with his skillset the coverage....forget it. Youre ****ed.

Gonna be a LONG time before we see any sort of decline in his play. The only way Mahomes can be stopped is trash performances by the protection.

Invest in O line, this guy will become the Destroyer of Worlds.

These posts are so incredibly dull. First off, I don't know anyone that isn't enjoying Mahomes, so just stop with that stupid shit.

But this comment is just lol moronic:

"But if he should become off key or slipping in his playing ability, then he will have lost his status. and fall in with other past QB's who started out high, and fell from grace."

He's been a regular season MVP, and will most likely win another this year. He's won a SB and been the SB MVP. He's breaking records, setting new standards and he's only 25. He's done more in 2.75 years as a NFL Starting QB than most QB's do in their entire careers. There's only a select few that have done what he's done this early in his career. The only thing that would drop his ability is if he got seriously injured - which isn't a fall from grace. He's a once in a generation talent. Embrace it.

I got told by someone that just coached in college, not the NFL, that Mahomes was a generational QB before the 2017 draft. He ain't falling off anything. This is what a generational talent looks like..not Lawrence who some of the Dinosaurs are trying to sell because they missed on Mahomes.

Have you looked at the list of QBs who have started this high? None of them fell from grace.

Exactly.

Guys that do this over 2 games flame out.

Guts that do this over 2 SEASONS don't just flame out.

I mean 4 TDs a game seems like a stretch but the yds is very doable.

Pats so good it's almost not fair. Then you add Reid and our offensive weapons to the mix and it's a thing if beauty to watch.

This is his most accomplished season as a pro, in terms of of week to week performance.

Only thing that will stop him is injury or other health issues. We are far past the point of comparing him to guys like Kaepernick who had a gimmicky hot start and could not read a defense. Mahomes’ mental ability is far stronger than people realize.

In my view, he is already one of the most clutch QB's in the history of the league, up there with the Montana's, Brady's etc.

I would not put him in that category yet. But I also will never bet against him on 3rd or 4th down, or in late game crucial situations. He has to keep doing this clutch stuff for another 4-5 years and then I think we can throw his name in there with other guys that had a long track record of clutch performances.

This right here is all that needs to be said.

NFL Network said it was 1980 Chargers--Winslow and some WR whose name I am blanking on at the moment.

Jefferson

Agreed.

If he stays healthy sky is the limit!

Mobile? Check. Smart? Check. Big arm? Check. Learns from mistakes? Check. Good outside the pocket? Check. Highly competitive? Check. A natural leader? Check... I could go on...

No one is perfect but he is pretty damn close

The crazy thing about that 1980 Chargers team, was not only did they have the first and second leading receivers in the NFL (WR Jefferson & TE Winslow), they also had the #4 leading receiver in Charlie Joiner. All 3 over 1000, of course. Crazy offensive numbers for those days.

That team also led the NFL in sacks and lost in the AFC Title Game (sound familiar?)

Lots of chatter about Derrick Henry as MVP. The next few games will determine who gets it. This is the time of year Henry puts up 200 yards a game, and he's already near 1300 yards. A 2000 yard season may be enough to beat out mahomie

Not even they were capable of converting as many 3rd and long’s as Mahomes has been. 3rd and 10+ is must-watch with Patrick.

A RB isn’t going to steal votes away from a golden boy QB with 40+ TDs and <5 interceptions. The media has been throwing names out all season to provide alternative options and talking points, but it really is irrelevant at the end of the day.

Yes but how many of you chef fans have told me Henry is all the titans have, tannehill sucks and all that?
The chefs have alot of weapons that any serviceable quarterback would put up good numbers with.

Good numbers, yes. Elite, MVP type numbers, no. (See Alex Smith for reference)

Oh look who is back after going into hiding for a few weeks following the Colts curb stomping your fraud team in their first match-up.

You think it is now safe to crawl out of Jeff Fisher’s 7-9 asshole and start talking your lame smack again?

You would be wrong.

I concur, it's unlikely that Patrick throws 4 TDs/game for the rest of the season. You look at the schedule, and it's just not necessary for the chiefs to have Mahomes throw that much. Once we get a two TD lead on DEN, MIA, ATL, Andy will take his foot off the gas, start running more, or run that short-passing attack to burn clock, and that will be that.

If Sean Payton were Patrick's coach, then yeah, because that guy knows all the records and stats, and he'd happily run up the score to pad Patrick's stats. But that's not Andy's style at all.

So realistically the only way for Mahomes to reach 50 TDs is for the rest of our slate of opponents to play out of their minds, get two score leads on us, and turn every game into a shoot-out. And that's just not going to happen with DEN, MIA, or LAC. Probably not with the Saints either, if Taysom is behind center.

Lmao, Derrick Henry could have 2000 YDs and 20 TDs and that still wouldn't be enough to beat out Mahomes for MVP. Also the Titans are going to absolutely ruin his career this year. The guy has taken one hell of a beating and is going to be damn near 400 total touches. You all will be regretting that contract next year and will have nothing to show for it.

It royally pissed me off that these talking heads all shut their mouths about alternative possibilities when Lamar Jackson won it last year.

Mahomes missed some time with injury and had a regression in yards and TDs. I get it. But when Mahomes was setting the ****ing world ablaze in a far more impressive fashion in 2018, we had at least one chuckle**** in every MVP roundtable who went "AAWON DONOHD!!! WHAT ABOUT DA DEFENSIVE PWAYUHS????!!!!" And of course, the "It's Brees' turn!" dumbasses.

When Lamar was the MVP frontrunner last year, none of these dipshits came out of the woodwork. Nobody wanted the alternative opinion to generate buzz or get people pissed off. Everybody was universally on board with Lamar.

Like... what the hell? Is it just written when you take these sports opinion douche jobs that you have to be nice to Lamar or something? Are we trying to protect his feelings? If you make a joke on national TV or radio about him being a RB, do you get suspended?

ROFL

Do you think Derrick Henry's MVP will tide you over when you lose your first playoff game?

Not if Mahomes is 15-1, 4900+ Passing Yards and 45+TD's

Henry would be a distant 2nd even with 2000 yards

Crazy thing is Mahomes’ injury-riddled regression still had a 78/100 QBR. That is the same level QBR that delivered a bunch of MVP votes to Drew Brees in 2018. Tom Brady in 2017 won MVP with a 70 QBR.

Lamar went from 83 QBR last year to 62 QBR so far this season. Now THAT is a serious regression.

2018 - Mahomes 80 QBR (healthy)
2019 - Mahomes 78 QBR (injured)
2020 - Mahomes 86 QBR (healthy)

Pretty impressive how well he performed in 2019 given the ankle and knee issues. Many people don’t realize how messed up his ankle was in the first damn game of the season.