Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14067506)

If there is ANY team in football that is less 'win now' than we are, I'd like to hear about them. Because even the teams that are completely lost at the moment need to start winning some damn games to rebuild their organization. Or they just be in a 'win never' stage because hell, if you don't have a QB you're largely irrelevant anyway.

We have a 23 year old MVP at quarterback. Yes, I am aware that he'll soon cost money but the reason he'll cost that much money is because literally every team in the NFL would switch places with us and GLADLY pay him that money to have them running the show for them.

This isn't a situation where we're running into the possibility of having to extend Mariota at twice his actual value because we're scared of having nothing at the position. We will be paying top of the market prices for the top of the market player at the most important position in pro sports. Okay - and?

We can win any season for the next decade. And if breaking in a young new DC takes more time than we thought but yields dividends for the next 5 years, so be it. You're advocating putting duct tape on a hole in the hull so we can limp around for a bit and hope to get to port on time. I'm saying dry dock it, fix the damn hull outright and even if we can't make up enough time to save that delivery, we may have a half dozen more that we're better off for because of it.

And I'm just completely unwilling to concede that some of the brightest young defensive minds in football can't come in here and 'find their sea legs' by the end of a 17 week regular season after having an entire off-season to get things kicked off.

Your approach here is is just completely wrongheaded, IMO.

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 14067520)

Hiring a young guy and say he turns this crap D around. He will get a HC job in 2 years.

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 14067520)

Hiring a young guy and say he turns this crap D around. He will get a HC job in 2 years.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 14067548)

Exactly right! You want to hire young HC talent that has the ability to be a HC someday.

This is how you win Playoff Games and Super Bowls...

Not rehashing NFL trash because you know Chief fan and all...

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14067542)

Or you can just hire Bob Sutton and see him never do well enough to be considered for a gig.

Shit, Vic Fangio just got a job and he's ancient. When it comes to DCs, teams are less inclined to consider them for coaching gigs and when they do they don't seem to mind if they're older. If someone snipes our DC, it will be because we at least went to the Super Bowl and did so with a hell of a defense as part of the package.

And frankly, if that happens with Spagnuolo, there's absolutely no reason to believe that some team won't view him in the same light they saw Mike Zimmer or Vic Fangio and hire him as a coach anyway.

If "oh no, he might do well and we'd lose him" is the reason you don't want to hire someone one...maybe find a better reason.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14067553)

Yeah. But then he'd leave after we finally get to the Super Bowl and clearly that would just be awful.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 14067557)

Not that it would be a reason to hire Spags but I doubt he will ever get a chance to be a hc again. Usually if you suck twice at being hc that is it.

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 14067520)

Hiring a young guy and say he turns this crap D around. He will get a HC job in 2 years.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14067572)

Andy has used that strategy with great success on offense, hiring up and coming/innovative guys to be his OC/QB Coach.

Not sure why he has to go the total opposite direction on defense and hire a dinosaur.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14067572)

Andy has used that strategy with great success on offense, hiring up and coming/innovative guys to be his OC/QB Coach.

Not sure why he has to go the total opposite direction on defense and hire a dinosaur.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14067567)

But I've been assured that neither of those times should be held against him because the Rams were in chaos and Bountygate voids all piss-poor returns.

Near as I can tell, none of his failings over the last decade are actually his fault. So surely the league will see things the same way.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14067553)

Yeah. But then he'd leave after we finally get to the Super Bowl and clearly that would just be awful.

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 14067586)

Because Andy can control the offensive guys and help them out. He can't do that on defense because he doesn't know the defense. His best seasons were when he had Jim Johnson and Johnson ran the defense.