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TinyEvel 12-02-2023 06:57 AM

Yo I think the parking fees and beer profits from just one season should be able to pay for a new stadium.

DanT 12-02-2023 07:31 AM

If the Royals leave Jackson County, why should Jackson County extend the same 3/8th percent sales tax that was good enough for both the 80+ Royals games and the 15 or so Chiefs games every year?
It should be lower, I would think.
Also, if one county subsidizing a stadium is such a great deal for the people in that county, let's see what other county wants to do it.
Frank White ain't no dummy. He grew up near the old stadium and there were plenty of wise and respected folks there and elsewhere who questioned the fairness and the reasons for leaving Municipal and who was paying for it. White physically worked to build the Truman Sports Complex as a laborer before he made the majors, and he overcame lots of doubts about him as a player to become one of the Royals' all-time greats. He also has had a direct eye on the racism that has affected generations of Kansas Citizens on playing fields, in schools, at stores, in elections, and in many other venues. Those are the facts, which many will deny, but none of us who spent considerable parts of our lives in Kansas City's inner city listening to our elders and simply seeing what was going on would. I say that as a white man who is now relatively well-off, and living in sunny California. Racism doesn't explain everything. Some of it is simply classism, the rich being savvy about screwing the poor, which they are so good at that they get the poor to argue against their own interests.
Being mad at someone because they don't want to take a deal that is supposedly in their interest to take is stupid. If it actually is in their interest, prove it. If it isn't, then how about pulling your heads out of the mega-rich people's asses and realizing that you're being pimped?

HonestChieffan 12-02-2023 07:47 AM

All about the grift anyway. Who stands to gain? Owner, Mayor, Unions, Contractors, council

Chief Roundup 12-02-2023 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17253471)
Lol this is an awful excuse to pay for billionaires. As a KCMO resident it would be awesome if both went to KS

Why? This would not be good for KCMO or Missouri in general.

Chief Roundup 12-02-2023 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17253789)
The extension of the existing tax seems fair enough to exist in the pro sports space

Footing the bill to demolish Kauffman seems kind of shitty but probably negotiable

So unless there's something more, and I didn't read the entire article, just the OP, it seems the hang up isn't the burden on tax payers but Jackson County (or White) feeling like they're not getting a big enough piece of the revenue pie from the teams

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanT (Post 17253798)
If the Royals leave Jackson County, why should Jackson County extend the same 3/8th percent sales tax that was good enough for both the 80+ Royals games and the 15 or so Chiefs games every year?
It should be lower, I would think.
Also, if one county subsidizing a stadium is such a great deal for the people in that county, let's see what other county wants to do it.
Frank White ain't no dummy. He grew up near the old stadium and there were plenty of wise and respected folks there and elsewhere who questioned the fairness and the reasons for leaving Municipal and who was paying for it. White physically worked to build the Truman Sports Complex as a laborer before he made the majors, and he overcame lots of doubts about him as a player to become one of the Royals' all-time greats. He also has had a direct eye on the racism that has affected generations of Kansas Citizens on playing fields, in schools, at stores, in elections, and in many other venues. Those are the facts, which many will deny, but none of us who spent considerable parts of our lives in Kansas City's inner city listening to our elders and simply seeing what was going on would. I say that as a white man who is now relatively well-off, and living in sunny California. Racism doesn't explain everything. Some of it is simply classism, the rich being savvy about screwing the poor, which they are so good at that they get the poor to argue against their own interests.
Being mad at someone because they don't want to take a deal that is supposedly in their interest to take is stupid. If it actually is in their interest, prove it. If it isn't, then how about pulling your heads out of the mega-rich people's asses and realizing that you're being pimped?

Really? Hell no.
The cost of everything has skyrocketed. The renewal of the existing is not fair. It is a huge win for the county and state as it lowers the actual $$$ to the teams because of inflation on many many levels.
The team that is a perennial bottom-feeding loser does not deserve the same as a team that is as successful as the Chiefs have been.

KCUnited 12-02-2023 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 17253827)
Really? Hell no.
The cost of everything has skyrocketed. The renewal of the existing is not fair. It is a huge win for the county and state as it lowers the actual $$$ to the teams because of inflation on many many levels.
The team that is a perennial bottom-feeding loser does not deserve the same as a team that is as successful as the Chiefs have been.

Per the OP the Chiefs are just asking for an extension of the existing tax so I assume they think its fair. Unless I'm misreading your post.

Chief Roundup 12-02-2023 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17253830)
Per the OP the Chiefs are just asking for an extension of the existing tax so I assume they think its fair. Unless I'm misreading your post.

That is what the OP states. The county should jump on that as a bargain and that the Chiefs are wanting to stay at a lesser rate than what is actually achievable by such a successful franchise.

BigRedChief 12-02-2023 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17253830)
Per the OP the Chiefs are just asking for an extension of the existing tax so I assume they think its fair. Unless I'm misreading your post.

It is unfair for Jackson County tax payers to pay the whole freight of the stadiums. What do they get out of it but ticket access one day early once a year? but, life ain't fair.

Those other counties' ain't going to vote for a tax increase on themselves when they know Jackson county will cover the cost.

DanT 12-02-2023 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 17253827)
Really? Hell no.
The cost of everything has skyrocketed. The renewal of the existing is not fair. It is a huge win for the county and state as it lowers the actual $$$ to the teams because of inflation on many many levels.
The team that is a perennial bottom-feeding loser does not deserve the same as a team that is as successful as the Chiefs have been.

The sales tax is a percentage. If the prices on taxable goods go up, the total sales tax revenue increases proportionately.
On the other hand, if one of two major tenants leaves and their vacated space no longer requires subsidizing, then demands on those revenues could and should be lowered, particularly if profitable uses can be made to the space, which is what the stakeholders want, both the County and the Chiefs. The trick is to spread the burdens and rewards equitably, which could be a challenge if basic math skills are lacking in local residents.

KCUnited 12-02-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17253842)
It is unfair for Jackson County tax payers to pay the whole freight of the stadiums. What do they get out of it but ticket access one day early once a year? but, life ain't fair.

Those other counties' ain't going to vote for a tax increase on themselves when they know Jackson county will cover the cost.

It’s the same tax they’ve been paying. The rest is on the teams (sans the demolition of Kauffman apparently)

So on the surface it doesn’t seem like a tax payer issue or a team issue but a Jackson County government unhappy with their cut of the revenue issue

Unless there’s more to the story that I’m missing

Chief Roundup 12-02-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DanT (Post 17253844)
The sales tax is a percentage. If the prices on taxable goods go up, the total sales tax revenue increases proportionately.
On the other hand, if one of two major tenants leaves and their vacated space no longer requires subsidizing, then demands on those revenues could and should be lowered, particularly if profitable uses can be made to the space, which is what the stakeholders want, both the County and the Chiefs. The trick is to spread the burdens and rewards equitably, which could be a challenge if basic math skills are lacking in local residents.

I understand that but at $1,000,000 the revenue would be 3,750 and if the same items now cost $1,100,000 the revenue would be 4,125.

With the cost of everything along with the increase of necessities to get players to remain a winner, there is simply not enough revenue to keep the facility at or near the top of the league.

Chief Roundup 12-02-2023 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17253842)
It is unfair for Jackson County tax payers to pay the whole freight of the stadiums. What do they get out of it but ticket access one day early once a year? but, life ain't fair.

Those other counties' ain't going to vote for a tax increase on themselves when they know Jackson county will cover the cost.

Does that county also get the majority of the tax revenue created by having the team there?

scho63 12-02-2023 09:45 AM

I never lived in KC so this perspective is from an outsider:

I think Arrowhead is an awesome stadium that has withstood the test of time.

If renovations are really not going to make substantial improvements, then I think the best option is for the Royals to get a new smaller stadium in downtown KC, build a brand new stadium where the Royals play that is for the Chiefs, concerts and events. Then once complete the Chiefs can move over to the new stadium and Arrowhead can be demolished and something added like a few nice hotels to host visitors.

I think the size of the place solely for the Chiefs would be awesome.

Not sure if all the long term season ticket holders feel like Arrowhead is past it's prime and want more amenities they currently don't have.

Rainbarrel 12-02-2023 09:46 AM

Let the cheap ass Kansans support the Royals for a change

ChiefsCountry 12-02-2023 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17253845)
It’s the same tax they’ve been paying. The rest is on the teams (sans the demolition of Kauffman apparently)

So on the surface it doesn’t seem like a tax payer issue or a team issue but a Jackson County government unhappy with their cut of the revenue issue

Unless there’s more to the story that I’m missing

And Frank White being a bitch because the Royals fired his ass from the tv booth and wouldn't consider him for manager.


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