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Couch-Potato 04-19-2024 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17486043)
Hypothetically speaking here, if Worthy or Thomas Jr was there at 32 who do you take?

BTJ!

Couch-Potato 04-19-2024 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17486093)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Legette on the <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> would be a match made in heaven. Andy Reid covets versatility and Leggette played outside and in the slot at <a href="https://twitter.com/GamecockFB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GamecockFB</a> <br>Give Mahomes a guy who can turn a slant into a 60 yard TD and Xavier could be that anchor leg to help them run down a 3 peat. <a href="https://t.co/sk5Wk9ErRM">pic.twitter.com/sk5Wk9ErRM</a></p>&mdash; Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) <a href="https://twitter.com/RGIII/status/1781106997594673506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Love it!

kccrow 04-19-2024 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17486043)
Hypothetically speaking here, if Worthy or Thomas Jr was there at 32 who do you take?

There is a clear delineation in route running, including burst, crispness, and phasing to set up DBs between Thomas and the next tier of WRs, including Worthy. Not only that, he excels at deep tracking, effort without the ball, blocking, and so on. Speed is great, but the ability to use that speed also matters. We shouldn't forget that Thomas is a 4.33 player. That's fast at 210 pounds.

This is a really good video that I don't think has been shared showing some of Thomas' routes.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iv2kViY29NY?si=yJIZJnRXHMoR5aUJ" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

RunKC 04-19-2024 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17486031)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Worthy is known for his 4.21 forty time at the NFL Combine but don’t get it twisted. Worthy can run routes with nice hip rotation at the break point! <br><br>I love this rep! It also shows his toughness ayo fight for extra yardage. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft2024?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft2024</a> <a href="https://t.co/JhadeJZ3gW">pic.twitter.com/JhadeJZ3gW</a></p>&mdash; Full-Time Dame �� (@DP_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/DP_NFL/status/1781041785742975124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kid is never gonna see such soft coverage again in his life when he enters the league LMAO

kccrow 04-19-2024 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17486137)
But how many are left tackles is the thing. Plenty of projection but how much sure fire built for the left side guys? 3-4?

I'll address this in the OT thread.

Chris Meck 04-19-2024 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17486403)
Kid is never gonna see such soft coverage again in his life when he enters the league LMAO

I don't know about that at all.

I don't think anyone is going to want to risk getting burned deep.

It's like with Tyreek-not very many teams would line up tight on him. Safer to play back with safety help and just try to contain him. Not very many teams play him like we did with Sneed.

It's also an Andy Reid staple to get guys free releases with motion.

No, if the pick is Worthy, because Reid sees Desean Jackson, he'll get plenty of room to run.

staylor26 04-19-2024 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17486403)
Kid is never gonna see such soft coverage again in his life when he enters the league LMAO

Tank Dell's rookie highlights are full of soft coverage like this.

You're absolutely clueless if you believe this.

staylor26 04-19-2024 09:02 AM

This is just one Tank Dell game:

https://youtu.be/Z48G3IbOIpw?si=Sk3RPXuJRxh848ft

Look at all that press coverage!

DJ's left nut 04-19-2024 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17486416)
Tank Dell's rookie highlights are full of soft coverage like this.

You're absolutely clueless if you believe this.

Yeah - we've had this conversation a thousand times and it just doesn't get anywhere.

Everyone plays man every snap! Aggressive press man coverage all the time!

I mean I've had this exact conversation in that "our WRs suck" thread where everyone was saying that anyone that can't beat man 100% of the time isn't worthwhile. That's just not how the NFL works.

Defensive backfields flat out do not have the depth to do that. As good a shape as these guys are in, they CAN'T run man every down without being absolutely shredded by the 3rd quarter. You remember when teams were trying that against us when Mahomes was younger and we had them wearing friggen oxygen masks in the 2nd half?

Soft coverage is actually what these guys see more often than not. It's to prevent big plays (same people that say we have to have man beaters will also argue that the Cover 2 Shell is a panacea) and to simply keep their defensive backs alive.

If a guy does nothing but find holes in zones over and over again, he can be a 1,000 yard receiver. Ideally do you find guys that can do both? Sure - the 'gotta have it' plays still require that you have that guy on occasion. But it's the NFL draft - ideal is rarely a thing.

Coogs 04-19-2024 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17486386)
There is a clear delineation in route running, including burst, crispness, and phasing to set up DBs between Thomas and the next tier of WRs, including Worthy. Not only that, he excels at deep tracking, effort without the ball, blocking, and so on. Speed is great, but the ability to use that speed also matters. We shouldn't forget that Thomas is a 4.33 player. That's fast at 210 pounds.

This is a really good video that I don't think has been shared showing some of Thomas' routes.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iv2kViY29NY?si=yJIZJnRXHMoR5aUJ" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I'm all in on this guy. A couple of months ago I very intrigued. Then I migrated to the LT needs to be the pick. But I think I am back to this being my guy in round 1.

It would be interesting to know who the guy is that prompted Veech into saying we wanted to keep our 1st round pick this year at draft time last year. He had to know we would be picking around 30, so it surely wasn't someone he knew was going top 5.

RunKC 04-19-2024 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17486416)
Tank Dell's rookie highlights are full of soft coverage like this.

You're absolutely clueless if you believe this.

The clip has the safety ignoring Worthy and the Corner backpedaling before the snap. I highly doubt that’s happening with how fast he is.

Btw Tank Dell is not the same player as Worthy. 4.49 Tank Dell isn’t blowing by people with ease on a go route

staylor26 04-19-2024 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17486896)
The clip has the safety ignoring Worthy and the Corner backpedaling before the snap. I highly doubt that’s happening with how fast he is.

Btw Tank Dell is not the same player as Worthy. 4.49 Tank Dell isn’t blowing by people with ease on a go route

So there's even more reason to play off coverage and avoid getting beat deep against Worthy? That certainly helps your argument!

It was a stupid ****ing take, and now you're doubling down? LMAO

Worthy will not be seeing press coverage every snap dude. He will see plenty of off coverage just like that. I can't believe you're this ****ing clueless.

RunKC 04-19-2024 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17486924)
So there's even more reason to play off coverage and avoid getting beat deep against Worthy? That certainly helps your argument!

It was a stupid ****ing take, and now you're doubling down. Worthy will not be seeing press coverage every snap.

That’s not what was said bud

staylor26 04-19-2024 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17486926)
That’s not what was said bud

The implication was clearly that he's not going to see such soft coverage ever again because they will get in his face and bully him at the line, because he's so small.

Again, just watch Tank Dell's highlights. Even just that one game I posted showed plenty of soft coverages just like that.

Dunerdr 04-19-2024 05:45 PM

I’m leaning toward tackle in round one and zeroing in on round two wide outs now.


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