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Chiefshrink 07-22-2019 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole1056 (Post 14359409)
I’m fascinated by the notion of people assuming Hardman is Reeks replacement. He is a perfect fit for what KC thought they were getting from Reek initially in round 5, when he was just a gadget weapon that could utilize 4.2 speed with end arounds, screens, occasional handoffs, and returns. Reek ended up being a complete surprise in terms of developing into a complete WR where he shocked everyone in terms of being able to become a legitamite WR1.

Hardman is going to be what we saw from Reeks first half of his rookie year. Occasional gadget plays and a return threat. He is not going to develop into a top 3 WR like Reek did and his expectations need to be treated as such.
Mahomes will advance Hardman's game much quicker and I think you will be surprised by the end of 3/4s of the season. This is what I am hoping for anyway.

Iowanian 07-22-2019 08:44 PM
The last time 5 guys moved as fast as the Chiefs WRs on a go route, Han Solo had just smacked a electrical panel with a pipe wrench.

ChiefAshhole1056 07-23-2019 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 14359472)
Mahomes will advance Hardman's game much quicker and I think you will be surprised by the end of 3/4s of the season. This is what I am hoping for anyway.
Advanced to what level though? What is your realistic expectation of what Hardman becomes?

BlackOp 07-23-2019 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole1056 (Post 14359409)
I’m fascinated by the notion of people assuming Hardman is Reeks replacement. He is a perfect fit for what KC thought they were getting from Reek initially in round 5, when he was just a gadget weapon that could utilize 4.2 speed with end arounds, screens, occasional handoffs, and returns. Reek ended up being a complete surprise in terms of developing into a complete WR where he shocked everyone in terms of being able to become a legitamite WR1.

Hardman is going to be what we saw from Reeks first half of his rookie year. Occasional gadget plays and a return threat. He is not going to develop into a top 3 WR like Reek did and his expectations need to be treated as such.
I agree with a lot of that except there is a chance he does become a legit WR...it's a crap shoot just like with Hill. It would be pretty crazy if he exceeds expectations...but there are so many fast WRs that never amount to anything. The odds are against it...

I'm actually more excited about Pringle taking Conley's role...he looked like he definitely has potential. That's the money spot...with Kelce, Watkins and Hill. If KC gets a legit 4th option...there is not much you can do.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 07-23-2019 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14359752)
I agree with a lot of that except there is a chance he does become a legit WR...it's a crap shoot just like with Hill. It would be pretty crazy if he exceeds expectations...but there are so many fast WRs that never amount to anything. The odds are against it...

I'm actually more excited about Pringle taking Conley's role...he looked like he definitely has potential. That's the money spot...with Kelce, Watkins and Hill. If KC gets a legit 4th option...there is not much you can do.
Robinson will be much improved this year. Watch out. Dude gets open

BlackOp 07-23-2019 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14359755)
Robinson will be much improved this year. Watch out. Dude gets open
Robinson ran a 4.6...the scheme is getting him open. That's what makes Hardman intriguing...4.3 speed as a 4th option. He's likely getting the weakest defender...or schematically unattended. I wonder if Pringle hadn't been injured...if he would have taken D-Robs reps.

Anyway...it's a good problem to have. I just remember watching Pringle and thinking...who is this dude? We'll see if it was just a preseason apparition....the ghost of Bobby Sipiro.

Rasputin 07-23-2019 11:50 AM
I'm going call him The Red Byron .

Willie Lanier 07-23-2019 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14359758)
Robinson ran a 4.6...the scheme is getting him open. That's what makes Hardman intriguing...4.3 speed as a 4th option. He's likely getting the weakest defender...or schematically unattended. I wonder if Pringle hadn't been injured...if he would have taken D-Robs reps.

Anyway...it's a good problem to have. I just remember watching Pringle and thinking...who is this dude? We'll see if it was just a preseason apparition....the ghost of Bobby Sipiro.
The scheme is not what's getting him open...

He ran a 4.59 40, yes, but he also blazed a 6.77 3 cone

He's incredibly agile and fluid in his routes

JohnnyHammersticks 07-23-2019 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14359758)
Robinson ran a 4.6...the scheme is getting him open. That's what makes Hardman intriguing...4.3 speed as a 4th option. He's likely getting the weakest defender...or schematically unattended. I wonder if Pringle hadn't been injured...if he would have taken D-Robs reps.

Anyway...it's a good problem to have. I just remember watching Pringle and thinking...who is this dude? We'll see if it was just a preseason apparition....the ghost of Bobby Sipiro.
Our offense is going to be FREAKING SCARY GOOD this season.

And I think you were going for Chiefs legend/attempted murderer Bobby Sippio there.

https://westorlandonews.com/wp-conte...tLeeSippio.png

ChiefGator 07-23-2019 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14359758)
Anyway...it's a good problem to have. I just remember watching Pringle and thinking...who is this dude? We'll see if it was just a preseason apparition....the ghost of Bobby Sipiro.
Bobby Shapiro?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...shapirojpg.jpg

RealSNR 07-23-2019 12:51 PM
Holy shit, I knew Demarcus Robinson wasn't necessarily fast, but I thought he had average speed at least. That dude is slower than Dieter!

I mean, I guess he must be Mahomes' version of his changeup pitch...

Buckweath 07-23-2019 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14359758)
Robinson ran a 4.6...the scheme is getting him open. That's what makes Hardman intriguing...4.3 speed as a 4th option. He's likely getting the weakest defender...or schematically unattended. I wonder if Pringle hadn't been injured...if he would have taken D-Robs reps.

Anyway...it's a good problem to have. I just remember watching Pringle and thinking...who is this dude? We'll see if it was just a preseason apparition....the ghost of Bobby Sipiro.
Smith-Schuster ran a 4.54.

Davante Adams ran a 4.56.

Keenan Allen ran a 4.71.

You can still be a great WR running 4.59.

suzzer99 07-23-2019 01:23 PM
Robinson consistently gets separation, where Conley who's supposedly much faster always struggled.

ToxSocks 07-23-2019 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14359758)
Robinson ran a 4.6...the scheme is getting him open.
Pretty sure there was some sort of injury or BS that had him time low. I recall reading that at the time but can't find it now.

Also, no the scheme is not getting him open. He's really ****ing good at getting a great release. Did you not watch him shaking DB's all of camp last season? Or did you not see his move to get open on Pat's 50th TD?

Robinson has some fantastic shake-n-bake on his release. That's why he gets open.

ToxSocks 07-23-2019 01:32 PM
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Talent jumps off the tape early in the session. Electric vertical talent that can make cornerbacks re*think their coverage plans. Has shake at the line of scrimmage to free himself against press coverage and has adequate ball tracking skills. Graceful, flexible athlete with instant turbo acceleration. Has ability to hit the home run after the catch. Races off the line and forced cornerbacks into retreat opening easy comeback catches. Has talent and ability to make a living outside or from the slot.
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He's way faster on tape than in timing.
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mmensely talented with elite combination of straight-*line speed and quick*-twitch athleticism. Robinson flashes game*-breaking potential as a deep ball threat and after the catch, but was suspended by two different coaches over a three-year period. While Robinson is likely to test off the charts and has the talent to be a top four receiver in this draft, it is hard to imagine his draft slot equaling his talent due to his character concerns.
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