Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13652291)

I saw an interesting tweet - pretty short: "It seems the Cardinals are always 'making room in the outfield...."

They're exactly right. I mean go back to dumping Craig to clear space for Oscar. We've been hearing about how stacked our outfield is throughout the system for seemingly a decade now and yet we never seem to have any OFers that actually matter.

I mean hell - go take a look at Lane Thomas. Who? Right - nobody has any idea who that guy is but he's actually had a really good season and you can make an argument that he should be considered as highly as Arozarenas and higher than Jose Adolis Garcia. He's played a strong CF while hitting 20+ bombs already in AA before wrecking AAA. He may be the #2 or #3 OF prospect in the whole system but it doesn't really matter because just like the rest of them, he's probably a fairly fungible guy when all is said and done.

We just build this organization full of guys that are pretty easy to swap out and never seem to come across anybody truly irreplaceable. All the talk now is about Elehuris Montero and yeah he's hitting damn well at 19 in A ball right now. But I'll bet you even money he just ends up another guy who plays solid baseball in AAA with strikeout issues and/or defensive deficiencies that keep him from amounting to anything more than a 2 win player.

And we never seem willing or capable of separating the wheat from the chaff before the word gets out and bundling them for guys that can actually matter long-term. And in a world where the corpse of James Shields netted Fernando Tatis Jr, why the hell do we sit on assets like Lynn and not go scooping up more guys that might become breakout players?

There's just a lot wrong with this team and the 40 man is gonna be damn interesting in a few months when we have to start protecting this giant assortment of misfit and redundant parts.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13652323)

That really nothing more than a good indicator of how bad a season Harper is having.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13652341)

Archer to the Pirates

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13652348)

Glasnow is a lot of potential, as is Meadows. That's a heck of a package to surrender for an Ace in reputation only.

Glad we weren't involved in that. An equivalent package from us is probably O'Neill, Hudson and maybe someone like Junior Fernandez (who I don't like but he has asset value).

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13652362)

What did they get for Cole? At the end of the day, As far as prospects go, did they just swap out Cole for Archer?

And **** us getting involved if that was the package to give up. My rays fan buddy I bet is happy now.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13652382)

Colin Moran and a bag of dicks. And frankly, you can probably just toss Moran into the bag as well; all pedigree and hype - I'd be shocked if he's ever a meaningful starter.

I mean prospects are prospects and at least Joe Musgrove (in the Cole deal) is probably a major leaguer for a few more years, so there's that. And there's no way to know how well this deal actually turns out - Meadows could bust in his own right.

But if I were assigning a numerical value to each of the players moved at the time they were moved, I'd say that the Pirates got less for Cole than they gave for Archer (and that's with the 3rd piece still pending, though he's probably like the Ramirez kid we got in the Pham deal - a fungible long-relief arm sort).

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13652387)

I like Cole 10X better than Archer. Wonder what our Pirate fans that post in here think about this?

Originally Posted by Miles (Post 13652399)

Past the deadline now and not looking great for another trade of someone like Norris...

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13652348)

Glasnow is a lot of potential, as is Meadows. That's a heck of a package to surrender for an Ace in reputation only.

Glad we weren't involved in that. An equivalent package from us is probably O'Neill, Hudson and maybe someone like Junior Fernandez (who I don't like but he has asset value).

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13652412)

The Dodgers made a deal for John Axford, so we know that mediocre right-handed veteran relievers were in demand...

Originally Posted by Miles (Post 13652418)

Saw that one and figured Norris had to be worth something. He’s having a decent year and seems just like the type of vet reliever teams usually trade for to fill out their pen for the final stretch.