Neither has Pham. Hasn't even PH.

I dont care if they trade Kelly and if you can move him and another part for Archer who likely has more leaguewide value, I'm fine with that as a form of arbitrage. Turn two nickels into a dime - this organization needs that.

But they need to finish the job and package Archer with Martinez, etc... and get a genuine young talent. Archer as a player does nothing for this organization but as a trade chip he might.

That said, I think Phams gone and O'Neill is his likely replacement.

Mabry just needed more time...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a> (and other teams) are big believers in the kinetic chain, well here is the kinetic chain in action: The body will find the weakest point. Martinez has had lat trouble (muscle into shoulder), oblique trouble (muscle along side of torso), and now shoulder strain.</p>&mdash; Derrick Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1024108901455880193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Now, explain this to me:

If the Cardinals believe in the kinetic chain, why are they bringing him back after a minimal stay on the DL when he's had multiple injuries to that kinetic chain? ****, their doctors are so goddamned incompetent. They must sort by physicians with the greatest number of malpractice settlements.

its really stupid. Both times rushed back ASAP. And for what? We are not in a pennant race. And Meathead would have let Martinez talk him into to staying in to finish the inning despite his fastball dropping to 90 MPH.

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looks like he quit lunching at the ball to my layman eye anyway.

According to what I read somewhere he is now looking at the ball with both eyes, not just one. I'm not shitting .

:clap: Doubt they would get jack shit for Turdy, but it's better than him wasting a starting spot.

Hate to say I told you so, but..

Hometown paper throwing shade on Archer as an "Ace".


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: Chris Archer hasn&#39;t become the ace you&#39;d thought he&#39;d be. Why? The answer in two simple charts ... <a href="https://t.co/IHOTe0l71I">https://t.co/IHOTe0l71I</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rays?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Rays</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLBTradeDeadline?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MLBTradeDeadline</a></p>&mdash; Thomas Bassinger (@tometrics) <a href="https://twitter.com/tometrics/status/1024272495350829056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2018</a></blockquote>
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JD,

ESPN speculating the landing spot for Harper is the Cubs or Dodgers. You on board with that?

I've said it before, but you really need to watch far more Archer starts than you have reason to as a Cardinals fan to understand why he's overrated. That's a baseball nerd/fantasy baseball problem.

I watched Archer closely the last few years because of my money FBB league. He's simply not a good pitcher. He quits on too many ABs and too many games. He is so hell-bent on getting strikeouts that he nibbles early in counts. Then if he can't get you to K and he's closing in on a walk, he'll simply fire a cock-shot for you to hammer. He gives in to hitters way too often.

And in games where he's either comfortable that he's going to win or has convinced himself that he's going to lose, he'll just start to coast and get hit. Worse still, if his team does manage to change the likely outcome, he can't turn it back on so if he's already entered his 'coast' mode and the team comes back, he just goes out there and gives the runs right back.

He's a #3 starter. You look at what Price was doing as a true ace in TB and then what Snell was doing this year before his injury and you see that it isn't a 'Rays' problem or an AL East problem, it's just a Chris Archer problem. He simply is not as good as his strikeout rate says he is.

And when you look past his strikeout rate you see a guy that just isn't a guy you desperately need, especially as he nears 30 yrs old.

The Rays screwed up badly not trading him 2 years ago. They aren't going to buffalo enough teams to get a massive return. Their only hope is that Mozeliak is as stupid as Rays fans/bloggers seem to think he is. The sad truth is...he might be.

They'll never do it, but they should sell off everything of value

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Tommy Pham has been traded to the Rays.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1024305925094559744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Chris Archer is not going back to St. Louis in the deal that is sending Tommy Pham to the Rays.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1024306191768403968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Pham for 2 minor league guys.