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Prison Bitch 07-03-2018 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13614424)
All Time Playoff Apperances
Indians 13, Royals 9

All Time Pennants
Indians 6, Royals 4

World Series Champions
Indians 2, Royals 2

And the Royals have done all of that since 1969 while the Indians started in 1901.


Yeah, they sucked for like 50 years prior to 1994 new stadium. They played at the mistake by te lake where no olayers ever wanted to play. No $, fan support, and stranded in the AL BEAST to boot.



This has nothing of course to do with my point about the last 25 years. It's perfectly fair to ask why we collapsed so soon and why they dont

Mecca 07-03-2018 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13614443)
Well, by what I can see we've screwed the pooch in the international signings. Most of the top picks are spoken for and we have maybe a single top 30 signing, despite having one of the largest pools. This is extremely disappointing after doing absolutely nothing in IFA the last 2 years.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...greed-to-sign/

https://www.mlb.com/news/july-2-inte...er/c-283495622

Unless they are signing Mesa it looks like they ****ed up hard.

OKchiefs 07-03-2018 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13614464)
Unless they are signing Mesa it looks like they ****ed up hard.

Yep. Mesa hasn't even been cleared to sign anywhere from what I've read, so it's doubtful he's an option unless the Royals have some inside info that he'll be cleared soon.

The two guys we did get don't seem to have gotten incredibly large contracts. It really seems like we're just planning on taking the remaining $4+ million in pool money and just going to let it go to waste. This is extremely disheartening. Every other AL Central team has been active, while the team with the worst farm system in the group does almost nothing.

duncan_idaho 07-03-2018 12:42 PM

They spent about a million of their pool this year on the two guys released from their Braves contracts for various picadillos (OF Juan Carlos Negret and SP Yefri del Rosario). Even though that money was spent last year, it was counted towards this bonus pool.

That still leaves around $3 million unaccounted for. They may be planning to spread that around more than in the past, or they may be squatting on one of the Mesa brothers.

Strategy is hard to figure otherwise. Latin America is tough. Really have to build relationships with the kids early. Vladito signed with the Blue Jays because they had the best relations with him, not because of money.

Discuss Thrower 07-03-2018 12:43 PM

$30 on a ticket for the lower 200 level tomorrow.

At least there is some silver lining to the suck.

Chiefspants 07-03-2018 12:43 PM

All aboard the Mesa train.

OKchiefs 07-03-2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13614493)
They spent about a million of their pool this year on the two guys released from their Braves contracts for various picadillos (OF Juan Carlos Negret and SP Yefri del Rosario). Even though that money was spent last year, it was counted towards this bonus pool.

That still leaves around $3 million unaccounted for. They may be planning to spread that around more than in the past, or they may be squatting on one of the Mesa brothers.

Strategy is hard to figure otherwise. Latin America is tough. Really have to build relationships with the kids early. Vladito signed with the Blue Jays because they had the best relations with him, not because of money.

Can't bonus pool money be traded as well? If we're going to sit on our hands I'd at least hope we trade some of our pool away and get something in return.

Mecca 07-03-2018 12:46 PM

Maybe ownership isn't thrilled having a 130 million dollar payroll that looks like an Allard Baird team?

OKchiefs 07-03-2018 12:57 PM

Also, Latin America being tough isn't a valid excuse. If the leadership and scouts in place can't do their job they need to be relieved of their positions. Clearly we haven't done nearly enough in recent years to find talent in IFA. We blew our load in 2015 on Matias and some other guy who hasn't done anything. Hopefully Matias proves to be worth it, because signing him has resulted in us being shut out of any significant talent the last 2 years. We finally have room to sign guys and we mostly do nothing. As a small market team we can't afford to go the better part of a decade without finding any real talent on the international market.

duncan_idaho 07-03-2018 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13614522)
Also, Latin America being tough isn't a valid excuse. If the leadership and scouts in place can't do their job they need to be relieved of their positions. Clearly we haven't done nearly enough in recent years to find talent in IFA. We blew our load in 2015 on Matias and some other guy who hasn't done anything. Hopefully Matias proves to be worth it, because signing him has resulted in us being shut out of any significant talent the last 2 years. We finally have room to sign guys and we mostly do nothing. As a small market team we can't afford to go the better part of a decade without finding any real talent on the international market.


Wasn’t offering it as an excuse, just as context. You have to work hard to build relations and really develop a track record. The Royals have done that, especially compared to where they were when Moore took over. Sometime the guys you think you’ll spend big money on when they’re 14 are guys that aren’t worth it at 16.

The Royals big money signings in Latin America haven’t been great (and the success rate is not great across Baseball, either). They’ve found some nice lesser-hyped talent there but need to step it up.

I’m hoping they’re sitting back on the Mesa kid. If they’re not in that, they should move some of the money to one of the teams who is and get some prospect value out of it.

OKchiefs 07-03-2018 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13614560)
Wasn’t offering it as an excuse, just as context. You have to work hard to build relations and really develop a track record. The Royals have done that, especially compared to where they were when Moore took over. Sometime the guys you think you’ll spend big money on when they’re 14 are guys that aren’t worth it at 16.

The Royals big money signings in Latin America haven’t been great (and the success rate is not great across Baseball, either). They’ve found some nice lesser-hyped talent there but need to step it up.

I’m hoping they’re sitting back on the Mesa kid. If they’re not in that, they should move some of the money to one of the teams who is and get some prospect value out of it.

Not accusing you of offering it as an excuse, just speaking in general. I appreciate your input you give on here, it's nice to have a knowledgeable person giving some good insight.

Sure-Oz 07-03-2018 02:36 PM

Assume Singer is about to sign.

@JoshVernier610: The Royals have put out a press release stating they will "make a baseball related announcement at 5:15." Stay tuned. #Royals

duncan_idaho 07-03-2018 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13614653)
Assume Singer is about to sign.

@JoshVernier610: The Royals have put out a press release stating they will "make a baseball related announcement at 5:15." Stay tuned. #Royals


Hoping it’s at slot or just a little over. If it is, they should be able to throw big money at Ty Madden or Milan Walla, big talents who slipped past the first 10 rounds due to signability concerns.

Chiefspants 07-03-2018 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13614653)
Assume Singer is about to sign.

@JoshVernier610: The Royals have put out a press release stating they will "make a baseball related announcement at 5:15." Stay tuned. #Royals

The darkest timeline would be Heimlich.

BigCatDaddy 07-03-2018 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13614713)
The darkest timeline would be Heimlich.

Didnt Glass veto that idea?


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